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9/6/05- Brewers (Helling) @ Reds (Harang) 6:10 CST

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naivin First Round Pick

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Actually it does - on that particular AB. If you are going to throw out some stuff about a WP that's garbage and you know it. That's a function of the pitcher/catcher, not the hitter.

 

Nobody thinks a run automatically scores simply by a ball being put in play, but if that ball is a grounder to the right side, an average fly ball, a high chopper, or a slow roller, the run scores. If the batter strikes out, it doesn't. No amount of hoping for Russ Branyan to be good can change that.

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I just don't see the argument that a deep fly ball, grounder to the right side, etc. is no better than a strikeout in that situation.

 

Of course it's better. That's never BEEN the argument. The argument has ALWAYS been that on average a K is barely worse than a normal out. Of course after the VERY situation where K's are the worst, relative to a normal out, someone screams, "SEE K'S ARE BAD! PEOPLE ARE STUPID WHO THINKS K'S ARE GOOD! YOU GUYS ARE NUTJOB IDIOTS!"

 

Pardon me if I get defensive.

 

If anyone REALLY wants to know when K's are BAD or not so bad, look HERE:

 

LINK

 

It breaks the negative value of a K and an out into the 24 base-out situations. When the K value is larger (larger negative) a K is worse. When the regular out value is greater, it's better to K in that situation. The average:

 

Not K out: -.2999 Runs

K: -.31 Runs

 

Now how many people do you think will even bother to look at that? Not too many.

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Sure overall K's aren't that much worse than normal outs. But some here have been arguing over the situations where it does matter. The thing that sparked the argument wasn't a strikeout with nobodoy on base. It was with runners on second and third with 1 out.
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I'm basically just taking offense to people who say that Branyan is worthless because he strikes out too much.

 

That's just one of the reasons he's worthless.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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