The Winter League Thread; Beresford Shines Down Under, Mates

[MassBrew]

Another 0-for-4 on Saturday (2 K's) places Hardy at 2-for-18 with nine K's and 2 walks -- one of the hits was a double. The tiny sample means nothing to us, but we've often read that these winter league games are taken pretty seriously by the locals, so even if it's only to escape the wrath of the Sugarcane Grower fans, J.J. needs to apply that Rustoleum soon. Flawless defense in his five games, no surprise there...

 GAME DATE: 12/04/04 HER at MOC HERMOSILLO 8 AT MOCHIS 10 YTD YTD HERMOSILLO AB R H BI AVG MOCHIS AB R H BI AVG J.Nunnally CF 2 1 1 0 .262 R.Johnson CF 3 2 0 0 .331 J.Nunnally RF 2 1 1 2 .262 M.Carrillo LF 5 2 2 3 .318 C.Gastelum 2B 1 1 1 0 .298 V.Bojorquez LF 0 0 0 0 .283 J.Montenegro PH 1 0 1 0 .250 J.Cirillo 3B 5 2 2 1 .269 J.Montenegro LF 0 0 0 0 .250 C.Sievers DH 3 2 1 0 .317 D.Fernandez PH 1 0 0 0 .236 M.Santana CAT 2 1 0 0 .330 D.Fernandez CF 1 0 0 0 .236 S.Soto 1B 4 1 3 5 .233 D.Doster 2B 1 1 0 0 .319 J.Bass RF 4 0 2 1 .223 D.Doster 3B 1 0 0 1 .319 [b]J.Hardy SS 4 0 0 0 .111[/b] D.Doster SS 1 0 0 0 .319 J.Arredondo 2B 3 0 1 0 .188 J.Canizalez DH 4 0 0 0 .333 P.Rivera PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Johnson 1B 1 2 0 0 .261 A.Mercado PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Johnson LF 2 0 1 0 .261 M.Gomez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 I.Franco CAT 5 1 2 3 .282 C.Chavez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Sandoval SS 3 0 1 1 .345 A.Osuna PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Aguirre 2B 1 0 0 0 .000 B.Lopez PH 1 0 0 0 .000 A.Martinez 3B 3 0 0 0 .269 A.Martinez LF 0 0 0 0 .269 H.Garcia LF 0 0 0 0 .373 H.Garcia RF 1 0 1 0 .373 C.Garcia PH 0 1 0 0 .143 C.Garcia 1B 1 0 1 0 .143 J.Castllanos PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Alvarez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Lopez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Cerros PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 33 8 10 7 TOTALS 33 10 11 10 HERMOSILLO 2 0 0 1 3 2 0 0 0- 8 10 0 MOCHIS 4 2 0 1 0 3 0 0 X-10 11 1 E--S.Soto. DP--HERMOSILLO 1, MOCHIS 2. LOB--HERMOSILLO 8, MOCHIS 7. 2B--J.Nunnally (3), M.Carrillo (11), S.Soto 2 (7), J.Bass (7). HR--J.Nunnally (4), I.Franco (12), M.Carrillo (8), S.Soto (9). SB--C.Sievers (3). HBP--M.Santana. SF--D.Doster. SH--M.Santana. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA HERMOSILLO J.Castllanos 1.1 5 6 6 2 1 1 6.62 A.Alvarez 3.0 3 1 1 4 5 0 6.59 J.Lopez (L,1-4) 1.2 3 3 3 0 1 1 4.30 J.Cerros 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 4.58 MOCHIS P.Rivera 3.2 6 3 2 4 2 0 4.07 A.Mercado 1.1 1 3 3 2 1 1 5.79 M.Gomez (W,1-0) 2.0 2 2 2 1 2 1 5.09 C.Chavez 0.2 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.50 A.Osuna (S,2) 1.1 0 0 0 2 2 0 2.45 HB--J.Castllanos. [b]SO[/b]--J.Nunnally, D.Fernandez, D.Doster 2, J.Canizalez, B.Lopez, A.Martinez, R.Johnson 2, J.Cirillo, J.Bass 2, [b]J.Hardy 2[/b], J.Arredondo. BB--J.Nunnally, D.Fernandez, D.Doster, J.Canizalez, D.Johnson 2, A.Martinez, H.Garcia, C.Garcia, R.Johnson 2, C.Sievers 2, M.Santana, J.Arredondo. T--3:46. A--1000

[DHonks]

good to see Cirillo with 2 hits. I would be all over giving him a AAA contract and spring training invite. It magically he were to refind his stroke, that's a legit 2 or 3 hitter

[gregmag]

Oh God. I know I've said this before, but you've said the Cirillo thing before (I think -- or somebody has), so: if Eddie Matthews rises from the grave and rediscovers his power stroke, that's the slugging 3B we need, so let's exhume his body and invite it to spring training. Jeff Cirillo is not actually dead, but I defy you to name another active, physically healthy major leaguer who has done more than Cirillo has to prove that he will never, ever again come within wistful glimpsing distance of his past glory.

 

Sorry to be in your face this morning, DH, but you just happen to have made, in your characteristically articulate fashion, two of my least favorite arguments. Nothing personal.

 

Greg.

[DHonks]

Sorry to be in your face this morning, DH,

 

No problem gregmag. It means someone's reading my posts. Basically, I mention Cirillo for two reasons. One, he was a great hitter as recently as 3 or 4 years ago. Two, as it stands now we will have Branyan, Ginter and Helms in Milwaukee. Erickson probably is the AAA shortstop. But at 3b, our nearest guy might be Enrique Cruz in AA. I figure rather than sign a 6year free agent who we'll let go at the end of the year, why not sign a guy who--with some luck--can either be called up or traded?

[clancyphile]

If Hardy starts in the majors, Erickson is at AAA. More likely, Hardy's at Nashville to deal with the rust, and Erickson's on the bench in Milwaukee.

 

Cirillo as the AAA third baseman could be worth doing.

[bjamesw22]

MY LORD people!!! Please, take a look at Jeff's stats for the last 4 years before you speak. I think you people would even agree that players decline majorly after the age of 30, what makes you think that Jeff of all people, ESPECIALLY after the last 4 years, is going to somehow magically reappear?

 

Yeah, trade so and so because they are at their peak and we've seen their best and their value is at it's highest, but hey, sign Jeff Cirillo. Makes no sense.

[MassBrew]

Rotoworld:

 

Glenn Woolard yielded three runs in 5 1/3 innings yesterday in his start for Lara of the Venezuelan Winter League.

Woolard, one of the prospects the Brewers received from the Giants in the Wayne Franklin trade last spring, is 3-3 with a 4.47 ERA in nine starts. Milwaukee has made him available in the Rule 5 draft.

 

And here we were hoping he was our little secret http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/ohwell.gif ...

 

Woolard's full line from his latest start:

 

5.1IP, 3R, 3ER, 6H, 2BB, 5K, 2 HBP

 

Look for Woolard to make two more starts and head home for the holidays (as so many of the American players do) with 55-60 winter innings under his belt. That should wrap things up for him until spring training. We'll know on Monday whether that spring training site will be Maryvale or not...

[950opsLHcatcher]

Maybe this Venezuelan experience will help him not to get drafted. He hasn't been pitching that well against what I would assume to be closer to MLB-caliber competition. With a non-power arm like Woolard's, you really have to know he could handle MLB hitters fairly effectively, otherwise there'd be no reason to take him at this point in time.

[MassBrew]

Maybe this Venezuelan experience will help him not to get drafted. He hasn't been pitching that well against what I would assume to be closer to MLB-caliber competition. With a non-power arm like Woolard's, you really have to know he could handle MLB hitters fairly effectively, otherwise there'd be no reason to take him at this point in time.

 

Good points...

 

At the same time, how many 23-year-old Rule 5 eligible pitchers are posting league average (see chart below) numbers in not just nine games, but nine starts, anywhere in this winter league season? And with a career WHIP of 1.20?

 

26 K in 46.1 winter innings isn't good, but Glenn's minor league K rate is still at 8.48 per nine IP.

 TEAM PITCHING W-L ERA H CG SHO SV HR BB SO ORIENTE 26- 17 3.95 386 0 4 17 37 124 277 LARA 27- 16 4.14 413 3 4 8 30 151 271 ARAGUA 23- 23 4.18 444 0 6 10 33 118 297 CARACAS 27- 16 4.23 408 0 1 14 47 156 270 OCCIDENTE 19- 24 4.33 399 1 2 11 43 133 275 ZULIA 21- 24 4.57 419 1 4 10 38 141 300 MAGALLANES 20- 26 4.86 443 0 3 15 35 147 333 LA GUAIRA 13- 30 5.62 453 0 0 8 40 118 242

[EdgarDiazRocks]

Jorge walks a few.

 

 

 GAME DATE: 12/07/04 NAV at HER NAVOJOA 5 AT HERMOSILLO 2 YTD YTD NAVOJOA AB R H BI AVG HERMOSILLO AB R H BI AVG O.Robles 2B 4 1 1 0 .306 D.Fernandez CF 5 0 1 0 .230 I.Cervantes SS 5 0 0 0 .000 B.Nelson 2B 2 1 0 0 .000 L.Cruz CF 5 2 2 2 .292 D.Doster SS 4 0 1 0 .317 M.Burkhart 1B 5 0 1 0 .308 J.Nunnally LF 3 0 2 1 .261 P.Castellano 3B 4 1 2 1 .262 J.Nunnally RF 1 1 0 0 .261 J.Headley LF 3 1 1 0 .237 I.Franco 1B 2 0 1 0 .293 J.Aceves CAT 4 0 2 1 .265 I.Franco RF 2 0 0 0 .293 I.Lara DH 3 0 0 0 .150 J.Canizalez DH 3 0 1 0 .331 J.Espinoza RF 4 0 1 1 .125 J.Montenegro CAT 4 0 0 0 .286 V.Gonzalez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Montenegro 3B 0 0 0 0 .286 M.Lara PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Garcia 1B 2 0 2 0 .192 D.Dominguez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 H.Garcia PH 0 0 0 0 .345 M.Tequida PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 H.Garcia LF 1 0 0 1 .345 J.Valerio PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Martinez 3B 2 0 0 0 .264 B.Lopez PH 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Meza PH 1 0 0 0 .175 A.Meza CAT 0 0 0 0 .175 J.De la rosa PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Castllanos PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Rubio PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Cannon PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Lopez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 37 5 10 5 TOTALS 32 2 8 2 NAVOJOA 0 1 0 1 0 0 2 0 1- 5 10 1 HERMOSILLO 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0- 2 8 0 E--J.Aceves. DP--NAVOJOA 3, HERMOSILLO 0. LOB--NAVOJOA 8, HERMOSILLO 12. 2B--O.Robles (11), P.Castellano (5), J.Headley (11), J.Nunnally (4). HR--L.Cruz (6). HBP--D.Doster. CI--A.Martinez. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA NAVOJOA V.Gonzalez (W,2-2) 5.2 4 1 1 4 1 0 4.44 M.Lara 1.0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2.75 D.Dominguez 0.1 2 1 1 1 1 0 6.08 M.Tequida 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0 5.77 J.Valerio (S,6) 1.1 2 0 0 0 0 0 2.43 HERMOSILLO [b]J.De la rosa (L,0-1) 4.0 4 2 2 3 2 0 6.48[/b] J.Castllanos 2.1 2 1 1 0 1 0 6.45 M.Rubio 0.1 3 1 1 0 0 0 3.27 J.Cannon 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.05 J.Lopez 2.0 1 1 1 0 1 1 4.32 HB--V.Gonzalez. [b]WP--J.De la rosa.[/b] PB--J.Montenegro. SO--M.Burkhart 3, J.Headley, D.Doster, A.Martinez. BB--O.Robles, J.Headley, I.Lara, B.Nelson 3, J.Nunnally, I.Franco, J.Canizalez, H.Garcia.

[Anders34]

According to the Mexican league website, J.J. was 1-4 yesterday with an RBI and 2 more K's. Still shaking that rust off... Average now up to .136

 

www.ligadelpacifico.com.m...scores.asp

[EdgarDiazRocks]

It's a two game hit streak!

 

 GAME DATE: 12/08/04 MOC at CUL MOCHIS 3 AT CULIACAN 5 YTD YTD MOCHIS AB R H BI AVG CULIACAN AB R H BI AVG R.Johnson CF 4 0 1 1 .329 R.Rivera CF 2 2 0 0 .321 V.Bojorquez CF 1 0 0 0 .279 A.Munoz CAT 5 2 2 5 .362 M.Carrillo DH 3 0 0 0 .312 J.Cantu 2B 4 0 1 0 .310 J.Cirillo 3B 4 0 1 0 .302 K.Garcia RF 4 0 1 0 .226 C.Sievers 1B 3 0 0 0 .308 K.Pellow LF 4 0 1 0 .270 S.Soto CAT 3 0 0 0 .221 E.Jimenez DH 3 0 0 0 .244 R.Mendez LF 2 1 2 0 .355 J.Vazquez 1B 3 0 0 0 .237 C.Quintero PH 1 0 0 0 .164 H.Paez PH 1 0 0 0 .378 C.Quintero LF 0 0 0 0 .164 H.Paez 1B 0 0 0 0 .378 J.Bass RF 4 1 2 2 .239 R.Martinez 3B 2 0 1 0 .263 [b]J.Hardy SS 4 1 1 0 .154[/b] J.Zazueta 3B 1 0 0 0 .318 J.Arredondo 2B 3 0 1 0 .233 O.Ramirez SS 4 0 2 0 .294 E.Quinones PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Munoz PR 0 1 0 0 .125 J.Martinez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Campillo PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Gomez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 P.Camara PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Nieblas PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Reyes PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Chavez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 32 3 8 3 TOTALS 33 5 8 5 MOCHIS 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0- 3 8 0 CULIACAN 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 3- 5 8 0 DP--MOCHIS 0, CULIACAN 1. LOB--MOCHIS 7, CULIACAN 8. 2B--R.Mendez (4), O.Ramirez (7). HR--J.Bass (7), A.Munoz 2 (1<img src=http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> . HBP--R.Rivera. SH-- C.Sievers, J.Arredondo. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA MOCHIS E.Quinones 5.1 5 2 2 3 1 1 4.06 J.Martinez 1.2 1 0 0 1 1 0 2.65 M.Gomez 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 5.18 M.Nieblas 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.24 C.Chavez (L,2-3) 0.2 2 3 3 0 0 1 5.40 CULIACAN J.Campillo 7.0 7 3 3 2 2 1 1.49 P.Camara 1.0 1 0 0 1 1 0 4.91 M.Reyes (W,3-1) 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.91 HB--C.Chavez. WP--J.Martinez, P.Camara. SO--R.Johnson, V.Bojorquez, J.Bass, J.Arredondo, R.Rivera, J.Cantu. BB--M.Carrillo, S.Soto, R.Mendez, R.Rivera 2, E.Jimenez, R.Martinez. T--3:08.

[lend d money]

I will defer to the "small sample" guys, but this would seem to indicate to me that he is nowhere near to being ready to participate at the major league level yet. And, I mean that, only from the standpoint of being "rusty", not from a projected skill level. His number of strikeouts are uncharacteristic for him.

[MassBrew]

As mentioned on the major league forum, news from Tom Haudricourt of the JS:

 

The Brewers? plan to get shortstop prospect J.J. Hardy a month?s worth of playing time in Mexico received a blow when Los Mochis placed him on its disabled list after only seven games.

 

Hardy did not re-injure the shoulder that required surgery in May and forced him to miss all but one month of the season at Class AAA Indianapolis. But after getting off to a slow start at the plate (.154), the decision was made to deactivate him in favor of another player.

 

The Brewers had dispatched minor-league manager Frank Kremblas to work with Hardy. Now, if they are unable to find him another job, Hardy probably will return to the States and wait for the start of spring training.

 

Despite that setback, Doug Melvin said the plan still was for Hardy to get a shot to win the shortstop job in spring camp.

[igor67]

Unfortunate, but I still think JJ will be ready. It really sounds like playing in Mexico is just as bad as playing in Philly. Very tough environment to jump into without having seen real pitching in 9 months or so.

[MassBrew]

Newcomer RHP Jose Capellan is pitching in the Dominican this winter:

 

Winter League Notebook

By John Manuel (Baseball America)

December 3, 2004

 

Power arms win championships in the major leagues.

 

Whether or not it holds true in the Dominican Winter League remains to be seen. Escogido has as many power arms, if not more, than the average big league staff, yet it remains in the middle of the pack in the Dominican standings.

 

Led in the starting staff by righthanders Jose Capellan (Braves), Ezequiel Astacio (Astros) and Merkin Valdez (Giants) and in the bullpen by Ramon Colon (Braves), Jairo Garcia (Athletics) and Jose Veras (Rangers), the Lions had allowed just 253 hits in their first 289 innings, holding opponents to a .233 batting average.

 

The pitching staff had not been good enough to keep Escogido from a poor 14-18 start, fourth in the league behind Aguilas. Escogido?s staff leans to the right, but even their lefthanders throw hard. Starter Francisco Liriano (Twins) and reliever Franklin Gracesqui (Devil Rays) both reach the mid-90s as well.

 

?Every big Latin arm seems to pitch for Escogido,? said one scout with an American League organization, just back from a trip to the Dominican. ?I think I saw seven guys throw 95 for that team in a span of about two days.

 

?Capellan was the most impressive. His arm action is outstanding, his velocity is easy, and while his fastball is a little straight, it?s 96 and he puts it where he wants to.?

 

His winter numbers thus far:

 

23 IP, 0-2, 4.30 ERA, .264 AVG against, 24 H, 14 R, 11 ER, 7 BB, 19 K

[jwaltz]

Sweeeeeet. There is a new Jose K in town. And it is good.

[EdgarDiazRocks]

In what I hope isn't Glenn Woolard's final outing as a Brewer prospect the translator informs me . . . .

 

Quote:

---

The launcher Glenn Woolard did not have an exceptional presentation but the toletería of its team helped to darken its weak action. This worked for a space of five episodes, fanned eight opponents, offered a ticket, struck a batter and permitted four careers.

 

The launchers Alexis Guzmán, Linen Urdaneta and Giovanni Carrara suffered to stop the dangerous oriental offensive, that of miracle did not turn the party.

---

 

These things are hillarious.

[squarepusher]

Apparently, I need to add a "offered tickets" field into the database now.

[MassBrew]

 IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA HERMOSILLO [b]J.De la rosa (L,0-2) 4.2 4 5 3 3 8 1 6.23[/b] M.Rubio 1.1 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.96 M.Childers 1.0 1 1 1 1 0 0 3.96 D.Carrasco 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00

JDLR continues to be a high pitch-count guy...

 

Winter-to-date numbers in 13 IP (little bit of everything):

 

www.baseballamerica.com/t..._her.shtml

[MassBrew]

Young outfielder Charlie Fermaint uses his "let me play" card and strikes out in one AB Wednesday -- now 1-for-5 on the winter in extremely limited action in Puerto Rico:

 

www.baseballamerica.com/t..._pon.shtml

[EdgarDiazRocks]

now 1-for-5 on the winter in extremely limited action in Puerto Rico:

 

Don't forget that Bases Loaded walk!!

 

Got take your positive Chuck news when you can get it.

[MassBrew]

Yee-haa! We'll take lines like this any day -- by the way, Glenn Woolard makes his final winter league start on Saturday...

 GAME DATE: 12/17/04 MXC at HER MEXICALI 2 AT HERMOSILLO 12 YTD YTD MEXICALI AB R H BI AVG HERMOSILLO AB R H BI AVG S.Gastelum 2B 3 0 0 0 .344 C.Gastelum 2B 4 2 2 0 .293 J.Hernandez PH 1 1 1 0 .258 D.Doster 3B 0 0 0 0 .314 J.Gomez RF 3 0 1 0 .364 D.Doster SS 4 1 1 0 .314 J.Cruz DH 4 0 0 0 .179 V.Castilla 3B 4 2 2 2 .412 D.White LF 3 0 1 0 .184 A.Ahumada SS 0 0 0 0 .226 R.Pimentel PH 1 0 0 0 .000 D.Johnson 1B 4 2 2 1 .267 B.Smith 1B 4 1 2 1 .260 L.Garcia DH 5 2 2 2 .339 B.Selby 3B 3 0 0 0 .264 J.Nunnally RF 4 2 1 3 .286 C.Presichi CF 3 0 0 0 .167 I.Franco CAT 4 1 2 3 .297 E.Garzon CAT 2 0 0 0 .324 J.Montenegro CAT 0 0 0 0 .286 N.Garcia SS 3 0 0 0 .219 H.Garcia LF 4 0 0 0 .338 C.Moreno PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Fernandez CF 4 0 0 0 .232 H.Castellano PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.De la rosa PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 S.Garibay PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Cerros PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 S.Arellano PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 30 2 5 1 TOTALS 37 12 12 11 MEXICALI 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1- 2 5 3 HERMOSILLO 5 0 0 0 0 0 6 1 X-12 12 1 E--S.Gastelum, E.Garzon, N.Garcia, J.Nunnally. DP--MEXICALI 0, HERMOSILLO 2. LOB--MEXICALI 3, HERMOSILLO 6. 2B--J.Gomez (7), V.Castilla (1). HR--B.Smith (18), J.Nunnally (7), I.Franco (16). SB--V.Castilla (1). CS--J.Gomez. HBP--C.Gastelum. CI--D.Doster. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA MEXICALI C.Moreno (L,5-5) 6.0 6 5 5 2 6 1 4.29 H.Castellano 1.0 4 6 5 1 1 1 4.82 S.Garibay 1.0 2 1 1 0 0 0 27.00 HERMOSILLO [b]J.De la rosa (W,1-2) 6.0 3 1 1 1 4 1 4.74[/b] J.Cerros 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.62 S.Arellano 1.0 1 1 0 1 0 0 3.21 HB--C.Moreno. WP--S.Garibay. SO--J.Gomez 2, J.Cruz, B.Selby, C.Gastelum, D.Doster, V.Castilla, D.Johnson, L.Garcia, J.Nunnally, I.Franco. BB--J.Gomez, E.Garzon, V.Castilla, D.Johnson, J.Nunnally. T--2:57.

[shadowuwm]

Is Saul Rivera still Brewers property? I ran across these stats while looking at winter league information, and didn't know if this was the same guy that came over in the Expos trade this summer. He looks to be a nice bullpen workhorse.

 

www.baseballamerica.com/t..._cag.shtml

[MassBrew]

Is Saul Rivera still Brewers property?

 

No longer Brewer property, he's a minor league free agent, unless he hooked up with another club on a deal that hasn't hit a transaction wire as of yet.