The Winter League Thread; Beresford Shines Down Under, Mates

[MassBrew]

LHP Jorge de la Rosa makes his debut in his native Mexico an impressive one:

 IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA HERMOSILLO E.Dessens 1.2 2 2 1 2 1 0 5.40 [b]J.De la rosa 1.1 1 0 0 0 3 0 0.00[/b] S.Arellano 1.2 4 1 1 1 2 0 1.69 M.Rubio 2.1 1 0 0 3 3 0 3.57 M.Whiteside 0.1 2 3 3 2 1 2 5.12 J.Garcia 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0 8.31 J.Lopez (L,1-3) 1.0 1 1 0 0 2 0 3.63

Former Indianapolis teammates Matt Childers and Jon Nunnally join him on this team; by the way, since we finally picked up on 3B Chris Barnwell's Mexican League season (after his 8th game), he never appeared in another after that; just a Mexican League FYI -- Jeff Cirilo's playing, not ready to hang them up yet...

[MassBrew]

OF Mario Mendez has appeared in a couple of games for Azucareros in the Dominican League -- teammate of SS Ozzie Chavez (yet to get an AB):

 

www.licey.com/numeritos20...areros.asp

 

SS Enrique Cruz numbers (more than any of the other leagues, players tend to "drop in" to Dominican games for token appearances:

 

www.licey.com/numeritos20...cogido.asp

 

RHP Pedro Liriano (another small sample):

 

www.licey.com/numeritos20.../licey.asp

[deeswan]

Just curious, anyone know what kind of money these guys make in winter leagues??

[lend d money]

I would imagine it is Mexican or American currency.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif Actually, that is a question I too would be interested in knowing the answer.

[Al the Thinking Man]

The countrymen make much more than the Americans, at least the stars. I do not have numbers, but I doubt any of the Americans make any more per month than they do in the minors.

[DHonks]

but I doubt any of the Americans make any more per month than they do in the minors.

 

If they make as much, then they're doing fine. 6 weeks for about $5-7k is huge when they're normally living on about $20-25k (before taxes)

[MassBrew]

Helena OF Charlie Fermaint (2003 4th round pick) made his second appearance for Ponce in his native Puerto Rico Friday, going 0-for-2 with a K, coming into the game to replace the immortal Hiram Bocachica in right field.

 

Fermaint just turned 19 years old last month, and even if it's just an occasional cameo appearance, I certainly can't remember when such a young Brewer prospect saw any winter ball time at all.

[MassBrew]

In what continues to be the story of the winter league season, RHP Glenn Woolard (# 14 on the Power 50) extends his season again with seven innings (4 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 3 K) in Venezuela. Now with 37.2 winter innings under his belt (4.06 ERA), that's 174 IP for 2004 at age 23. Here's hoping Glenn says "that's enough" soon.

 

I've lamented Woolard's non-inclusion on the 40-man roster plenty already, it sure seems Woolard's "showcasing" in Venezuela won't shy away any Rule 5 suitors. Hopefully Woolard's local paper in Pennsylvania puts together something on him this offseason. I'm sure he'd have some interesting tales to tell from down south.

[EdgarDiazRocks]

 GAME DATE: 11/26/04 CRL at PON CAROLINA 16 AT PONCE 2 YTD YTD CAROLINA AB R H BI AVG PONCE AB R H BI AVG C.Crespo SS 4 4 2 3 .333 A.Pagan CF 4 1 1 0 .179 O.Merced RF 3 2 1 0 .190 H.Bocachica RF 2 1 1 2 .323 E.Baez PH 0 0 0 0 .000 [b]C.Fermaint RF 2 0 0 0 .333[/b] E.Baez RF 1 0 0 0 .000 L.Lopez 3B 2 0 1 0 .357 V.Rodriguez 2B 5 2 3 4 .400 I.Reyes 3B 2 0 0 0 .000 A.Llanos 2B 0 1 0 0 .500 C.Rivera 1B 2 0 2 0 .273 E.Clemente CF 4 1 1 1 .231 A.Molina PH 1 0 1 0 .400 X.Arroyo CF 2 0 1 0 .250 A.Molina 1B 1 0 0 0 .400 A.Rios LF 3 1 1 1 .280 R.Casanova CAT 4 0 0 0 .184 L.Montanez LF 2 0 1 0 .111 R.Cancel DH 4 0 0 0 .071 L.Figueroa 3B 3 2 1 1 .217 M.Correa LF 1 0 0 0 .250 A.Zapp 1B 4 0 0 0 .148 G.Martinez LF 2 0 1 0 .333 R.Rivera CAT 4 2 3 4 .545 A.Gonzalez SS 3 0 0 0 .241 M.Vega DH 4 1 0 0 .000 J.Cruz 2B 3 0 1 0 .370 J.Santiago PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 H.Mercado PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 G.Sosa PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Merle PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Sanchez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Figueroa PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Nieves PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Lugo PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 39 16 14 14 TOTALS 33 2 8 2 CAROLINA 3 4 2 4 2 0 0 0 1-16 14 0 PONCE 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0- 2 8 0 DP--CAROLINA 2, PONCE 1. LOB--CAROLINA 9, PONCE 4. 2B--C.Crespo (5), V.Rodriguez (5), E.Clemente (5), R.Rivera (1), J.Cruz (4). HR-- V.Rodriguez (1), R.Rivera (1), H.Bocachica (3). SB--A.Rios (2). HBP--M.Vega. SF--L.Figueroa. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA CAROLINA J.Santiago (W,2-0) 7.0 7 2 2 0 2 1 2.12 G.Sosa 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 11.57 J.Sanchez 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 PONCE H.Mercado (L,0-1) 1.1 4 7 7 6 1 0 13.50 J.Merle 2.0 5 5 5 1 1 1 9.00 C.Figueroa 2.0 3 3 3 2 2 1 10.13 R.Nieves 1.2 0 0 0 1 3 0 9.00 C.Lugo 2.0 2 1 1 1 1 0 4.50 HB--J.Merle. WP--H.Mercado. SO--V.Rodriguez, L.Montanez, L.Figueroa, A.Zapp 2, R.Rivera, M.Vega 2, [b]C.Fermaint[/b], A.Molina, R.Cancel 2, M.Correa. BB--C.Crespo 2, O.Merced, E.Baez, A.Llanos, A.Rios, L.Figueroa 2, A.Zapp 2, R.Rivera. T--2:58. A--2670 

[EdgarDiazRocks]

 LARA AB R H BI AVG OCCIDENTE AB R H BI AVG L.Ugueto 2B 4 1 0 0 .336 D.Sandoval 2B 4 0 0 0 .319 L.Sojo 1B 5 0 1 0 .283 O.Salazar LF 4 0 0 0 .333 R.Reyes DH 4 2 1 0 .324 A.Cabrera 1B 5 1 0 0 .227 L.Jimenez RF 3 1 1 1 .365 L.Landaeta DH 4 0 1 0 .275 J.Boscan CAT 1 0 0 0 .363 C.Mendez PR 0 0 0 0 1.000 T.Evans 3B 5 1 3 3 .306 D.Garcia PH 1 0 0 0 .279 S.Langaigne CF 5 0 1 0 .333 J.Colina 3B 5 0 1 0 .320 C.Lopez SS 4 0 1 0 .268 Y.Torrealba CAT 4 1 1 1 .192 R.Medina LF 4 0 1 0 .316 F.Diaz CF 0 0 0 0 .296 V.Valencia CAT 2 0 1 0 .143 F.Diaz RF 3 1 1 0 .296 L.Maza PR 0 1 0 0 .276 M.Izturis SS 3 1 2 0 .214 L.Maza RF 1 0 0 0 .276 C.Valderrama CF 1 0 0 1 .136 G.Woolard PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Darula PH 1 0 1 0 .350 L.Urdaneta PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Darula RF 0 0 0 0 .350 R.Guttormson PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Silva PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Taschner PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 G.Larreal PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Alvarez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Bullinger PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 H.Almonte PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 38 6 10 4 TOTALS 35 4 7 2 LARA 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 3 0 2- 6 10 4 OCCIDENTE 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0- 4 7 1 E--C.Lopez, R.Medina 2, V.Valencia, J.Colina. DP--LARA 2, OCCIDENTE 2. LOB--LARA 6, OCCIDENTE 8. 2B--S.Langaigne (12), J.Colina (13). HR--T.Evans (4), Y.Torrealba (2). SB--M.Izturis (3). HBP--L.Ugueto. SF--C.Valderrama. SH--F.Diaz. IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA LARA [b]G.Woolard 7.0 4 2 2 4 3 1 4.06[/b] L.Urdaneta 1.0 0 1 0 0 1 0 2.84 R.Guttormson (W,3-0) 2.0 3 1 0 1 2 0 0.00 OCCIDENTE J.Silva 7.1 5 2 2 2 5 0 3.70 J.Taschner 0.0 0 1 1 0 0 0 2.25 G.Larreal 0.1 3 1 1 0 0 0 2.65 C.Alvarez 0.1 0 0 0 0 1 0 4.76 J.Bullinger 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 H.Almonte (L,0-4) 1.0 1 2 2 1 2 1 4.60

 

If not for theat one terrible outing, Woolard's numbers would look great.

 

Let's keep our fingers crossed for the Rule 5.

[EdgarDiazRocks]

For those of you who need a little perspective on Woolards winter, I found this from Venezuela . . .'

 

Franklin, Wayne (MAGA) 34.2 IP / 26 H / 13 R / 9 ER / 10 BB / 37 K / 2.34 ERA

[MassBrew]

Charlie Fermaint with a bases-loaded pinch-hit walk in his only plate appearance Sunday -- no need for the full box score...

[lend d money]

Dhonks, who told you the minor leaguers make $20-25K? I asked my name sake about that years ago and he told me they make $800/month. Granted, that is low A, but the bump up in pay isn't that great from one level to the next until you become a six year free agent. Plus, they don't get paid year round by their American organization. If you factor out bonuses(which I am assuming you are doing), they don't come close.

[DHonks]

lend, I may be mistaken, but I was told by a friend who works in minor league baseball that they get something like $2-5k a month. That may be for AA and AAA though. A guy on the 40 man gets significantly more. I think the first year guy gets a boost to something like 40k, then a 2nd year guy gets another increase, and a 3rd year guy can make up near 100k.

 

So a guy making $5k per month would make $25,000 before offseason living expenses, two mortgages for half a season, and paying for his wife and children. And that was the high end.

 

a player making $800 a month (as you mentioned) is looking at $4,000 for the year. I heard that the Fall League guys got something like $5-7k for the 6-7 weeks.

 

I could be way off with this stuff though. Just going on what I've heard.

[lend d money]

I'm afraid you are. I'm sure the manager of the team would know how much his players are making a month. Don wouldn't have a reason to exaggerate the truth. BTW, I sure am going to miss that guy.

[950opsLHcatcher]

Looks like Hardy will get some Mexican League AB's after all - he just got down to Los Mochis and will begin playing with good 'ol Sugercane Growers shortly. Former Brewers Jeff Cirillo and Bronswell Patrick have seen playing time for Los Mochis, but even if either is still there, they would have been gone before JJ was drafted.

[MassBrew]

There's just no stopping the first-place Lara Cardenales, and they proudly declare on their site that Glenn Woolard gets the call again tonight:

 

www.cardenalesdelara.com/

[MassBrew]

Love those translated pages:

 

The thrower Glen Woolard could not work with consistency by more than three episodes, in which he allowed to three races and abanicó to three opposites.

 

Final line Wednesday:

 

3.1IP, 3R, 3ER, 4H, 2BB, 2K, HBP

 

And yes, there's actually a live game log I was peeking at last night:

 

www.cardenalesdelara.com/...amp;pid=10

[MassBrew]

J.J.'s arrived in Mexico:

 GAME DATE: 12/01/04 MOC at OBR MOCHIS 1 AT OBREGON 10 YTD YTD MOCHIS AB R H BI AVG OBREGON AB R H BI AVG R.Johnson CF 2 0 1 0 .348 D.McDonald CF 3 2 1 0 .223 V.Bojorquez CF 1 0 0 0 .293 J.Robles SS 3 0 1 1 .371 M.Carrillo LF 3 0 0 0 .308 L.Garcia LF 5 0 1 1 .261 C.Quintero LF 0 0 0 0 .173 A.Tracy 3B 4 1 2 1 .352 J.Cirillo 3B 3 0 0 0 .282 C.Coste DH 4 2 1 0 .321 T.Robles 3B 1 0 0 0 .196 M.Valdez 1B 2 2 1 1 .321 C.Sievers DH 2 0 0 0 .321 G.Gil CAT 3 2 2 5 .345 R.Mendez PH 1 0 0 0 .278 S.Gutierrez PR 0 0 0 0 .176 M.Santana CAT 2 0 0 0 .330 S.Gutierrez CAT 0 0 0 0 .176 H.Hurtado CAT 2 0 0 0 .000 L.Arredondo RF 4 1 2 0 .291 S.Soto 1B 3 0 0 0 .216 C.Valencia 2B 4 0 1 1 .233 J.Bass RF 2 1 1 0 .218 L.Rivera PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 [b]J.Hardy SS 2 0 0 0 .000[/b] A.Ramirez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Arredondo 2B 3 0 1 1 .190 O.Verdugo PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Patrick PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 O.Bustillos PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 I.Lomeli PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Mercado PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Zambrano PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 27 1 3 1 TOTALS 32 10 12 10 MOCHIS 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0- 1 3 0 OBREGON 0 5 3 0 0 1 0 1 X-10 12 0 DP--MOCHIS 3, OBREGON 2. LOB--MOCHIS 4, OBREGON 7. 2B--M.Valdez (2), G.Gil (8). 3B--D.McDonald (4). HR--G.Gil (5). CS--R.Johnson. SF-- J.Robles. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA MOCHIS B.Patrick (L,0-1) 1.2 5 5 5 3 1 0 17.18 I.Lomeli 3.1 3 3 3 3 2 1 8.68 A.Mercado 2.0 2 1 1 1 1 0 3.38 B.Zambrano 1.0 2 1 1 1 0 0 2.96 OBREGON L.Rivera (W,2-0) 5.0 2 1 1 4 6 0 2.31 A.Ramirez 2.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0.47 O.Verdugo 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 7.84 O.Bustillos 1.0 0 0 0 1 2 0 1.33 [b]SO[/b]--R.Johnson, M.Carrillo, J.Cirillo 2, T.Robles, R.Mendez, H.Hurtado, S.Soto 2, [b]J.Hardy[/b], J.Arredondo, D.McDonald, L.Garcia, A.Tracy 2. [b]BB[/b]--R.Johnson, C.Quintero, C.Sievers, J.Bass, [b]J.Hardy[/b], D.McDonald 2, J.Robles, A.Tracy, C.Coste, M.Valdez 2, G.Gil. T--3:21.

[MassBrew]

Nine baserunners allowed in three innings for JDLR in his first start, second appearance -- at least he fared better than the long-gone Francisco Campos:

 GAME DATE: 12/01/04 MAZ at HER MAZATLAN 4 AT HERMOSILLO 8 YTD YTD MAZATLAN AB R H BI AVG HERMOSILLO AB R H BI AVG T.Hubbard CF 5 1 1 0 .215 J.Nunnally RF 4 2 2 1 .250 M.Flores 2B 4 1 2 1 .276 C.Gastelum SS 5 2 2 2 .302 S.Seabol 1B 3 0 1 1 .192 D.Doster 2B 4 1 1 1 .304 J.Dillon RF 4 0 0 0 .171 D.Johnson 1B 4 0 1 0 .257 J.Dubois LF 4 1 1 1 .254 L.Garcia LF 3 1 1 2 .321 M.Ojeda CAT 2 0 0 0 .264 J.Canizalez DH 3 1 2 1 .346 P.Mere 3B 4 0 0 0 .118 A.Martinez 3B 4 0 0 0 .287 R.Saucedo DH 4 1 2 1 .233 D.Fernandez CF 3 0 0 0 .239 D.Castro SS 2 0 0 0 .400 J.Montenegro CAT 3 1 1 1 .143 D.Fornes PH 0 0 0 0 .231 J.De la rosa PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 F.Campos PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Cannon PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 L.Munoz PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Lopez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 P.Ochoa PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Carrasco PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 W.Silva PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 32 4 7 4 TOTALS 33 8 10 8 MAZATLAN 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0- 4 7 0 HERMOSILLO 5 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 X- 8 10 0 DP--MAZATLAN 2, HERMOSILLO 1. LOB--MAZATLAN 9, HERMOSILLO 7. 2B-- M.Flores (9), S.Seabol (4), J.Nunnally (2), D.Johnson (7), L.Garcia (10). 3B--C.Gastelum (3). HR--J.Dubois (9), R.Saucedo (5), J.Nunnally (3). SB--T.Hubbard (11), M.Flores (10). HBP--S.Seabol, M.Ojeda. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA MAZATLAN F.Campos (L,3-2) 3.1 8 8 8 4 2 1 5.02 L.Munoz 1.2 1 0 0 0 1 0 10.50 P.Ochoa 2.0 1 0 0 2 2 0 10.31 W.Silva 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 4.70 HERMOSILLO [b]J.De la rosa 3.0 5 4 4 2 3 2 8.31[/b] J.Cannon (W,1-1) 3.0 1 0 0 2 1 0 8.10 J.Lopez 2.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 3.38 D.Carrasco 1.0 1 0 0 1 2 0 0.00 [b]HB--J.De la rosa 2.[/b] [b]WP[/b]--W.Silva, [b]J.De la rosa[/b]. SO--T.Hubbard, S.Seabol, J.Dillon 2, J.Dubois, P.Mere, J.Nunnally, D.Doster, L.Garcia, J.Canizalez, A.Martinez, D.Fernandez, J.Montenegro. BB--M.Flores, S.Seabol, J.Dillon, M.Ojeda, D.Castro, D.Fornes, J.Nunnally, D.Doster, L.Garcia, J.Canizalez, D.Fernandez, J.Montenegro. T--3:08.

[MassBrew]

J.J. now 0-for-6 with two walks and 4 K's as he works off considerable rust -- just thank goodness he's on the field...

 

www.baseballamerica.com/t..._moc.shtml

 

It's funny that he teams up with another J.J. (Furmaniak) in the middle infield, a nice little Padres prospect who I remember well from High Desert Cal League webcasts...

[EdgarDiazRocks]

Well, Hardy got a hit somewhere. Not in this game of course . . .

 

 GAME DATE: 12/03/04 HER at MOC HERMOSILLO 2 AT MOCHIS 3 YTD YTD HERMOSILLO AB R H BI AVG MOCHIS AB R H BI AVG J.Nunnally RF 4 1 1 0 .246 R.Johnson CF 4 1 1 0 .338 C.Gastelum SS 3 1 0 0 .294 M.Carrillo DH 5 2 3 1 .315 J.Canizalez DH 3 0 1 0 .343 J.Cirillo 3B 4 0 1 0 .255 D.Johnson 1B 0 0 0 0 .259 C.Sievers 1B 1 0 0 0 .316 D.Johnson LF 3 0 0 0 .259 M.Santana CAT 3 0 1 1 .336 D.Doster 2B 4 0 4 1 .327 J.Bass RF 3 0 0 1 .214 I.Franco CAT 4 0 1 0 .277 R.Mendez LF 1 0 0 0 .261 C.Garcia 1B 3 0 1 0 .100 V.Bojorquez PH 1 0 0 0 .283 H.Garcia PH 1 0 0 0 .360 V.Bojorquez LF 1 0 0 0 .283 H.Garcia LF 0 0 0 0 .360 [b]J.Hardy SS 4 0 0 0 .143[/b] A.Martinez 3B 4 0 1 0 .277 T.Robles 2B 2 0 0 0 .192 D.Fernandez CF 4 0 0 0 .245 S.Soto PH 1 0 1 0 .216 E.Gonzalez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Arredondo PR 0 0 0 0 .178 J.Cannon PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Zambrano PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Rubio PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Martinez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Childers PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Nieblas PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Manzano PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 33 2 9 1 TOTALS 30 3 7 3 HERMOSILLO 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0- 2 9 0 MOCHIS 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2- 3 7 2 E--J.Cirillo, C.Sievers. DP--HERMOSILLO 2, MOCHIS 3. LOB--HERMOSILLO 8, MOCHIS 13. 2B--D.Doster (7), M.Carrillo 2 (10), M.Santana (6). SB--R.Johnson (10). HBP--C.Sievers 2, M.Santana. SF--M.Santana. SH--C.Gastelum. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA HERMOSILLO E.Gonzalez 3.0 2 1 1 3 2 0 1.50 J.Cannon 2.1 2 0 0 1 2 0 4.76 M.Rubio 2.2 1 0 0 2 4 0 2.91 M.Childers (L,1-3) 0.2 2 2 2 2 1 0 4.09 MOCHIS B.Zambrano 6.0 6 1 1 2 1 0 2.67 J.Martinez 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 3.14 M.Nieblas 0.2 1 1 1 1 0 0 2.25 A.Manzano (W,3-1) 1.1 1 0 0 0 1 0 3.97 HB--E.Gonzalez 2, M.Childers. WP--M.Rubio, M.Childers. PB--M.Santana. SO--D.Fernandez 2, J.Cirillo 2, J.Bass 2, R.Mendez, V.Bojorquez 2, [b]J.Hardy[/b], T.Robles. BB--J.Nunnally, J.Canizalez, D.Johnson, R.Johnson, J.Cirillo, C.Sievers 2, J.Bass 2, R.Mendez, T.Robles. T--3:19. A--1000 

[Dennisfrancis54]

D Honks, you are not far off at all.

[DHonks]

my daily email update from baseballamerica shows Hardy went 2-4 with 2 runs scored yesterday, to up his avg to .200. He also struck out twice

[EdgarDiazRocks]

That must have been Thursday.

 

2-14, 1 2B, 2 BB, 7K's total