DDSM (Double Diamond Sports Management)

[agent39]

In milwaukee this week. What are the odds i can get into lambeau tomorrow....huge packers fan since I was a kid

 

 

Also anyone going to any games this week? I havent been to miller park in 7 years

 

Haha depends how much money you got.

 

I'm on the fence about going to another game. If they stay in the race(realistically in it) I plan on making the trek on Thursday in support.

 

 

Whats one seat cost in nosebleeds? Im used to sofla prices where tix are free lol

 

I am trying to go tuesday if i dont have to go home monday!

[agent39]

Strike that

 

 

Ill be there tomorrow

[SomewhereInTime]

Like $20 should be good. If anything standing room tickets aren't bad.

[agent39]

Jesus really? I have to go to brewers game. Alas the schedule gods are cruel

[Eye Black]

For those that have followed this thread throughout the years the most recent NatsGM podcast with Josh Kusnick (agent39) is a good listen: The Joshua Kusnick Experience #21 – “Fired At Cracker Barrel”

 

Josh opens up about his experiences being fired by former clients Kenley Jansen and Lorenzo Cain. One strange thing about Cain firing him is that it apparently happened almost seven years ago, yet Lorenzo Cain’s Baseball Reference page still lists Josh as his agent.

[agent39]

http://natsgm.com/2018/01/22/the-joshua-kusnick-experience-22-lets-talk-about-arbitration/

 

 

Best episode ever.

[Mass Haas]

http://natsgm.com/2018/01/22/the-joshua-kusnick-experience-22-lets-talk-about-arbitration/

 

Best episode ever.

 

"THE Joshua Kusnick Experience #22 continues with our new format and this episode responds directly to a question from the audience – Why do some players go to arbitration and others choose to sign long-term?

 

The conversation begins with Josh briefly explaining the arbitration process, the expense of preparing for the hearing and the cost/benefit analysis of signing a contract verses going to a hearing. Next Josh specifically discusses his client Jeremy Jeffress, the mechanics behind his contract he signed a few months ago and the thought process behind him signing this deal before reaching arbitration. This show gives a tremendous insight into the work agents do for their clients."

[chuckiehacks]

Somehow I didn't know this podcast existed. I listened to the JJ/Arbitration episode this morning, and it's excellent. I've always enjoyed (and appreciated) Josh's contributions to this site, but this podcast was even better. It also solidified JJ as one of my favorite Brewers.

[agent39]

Somehow I didn't know this podcast existed. I listened to the JJ/Arbitration episode this morning, and it's excellent. I've always enjoyed (and appreciated) Josh's contributions to this site, but this podcast was even better. It also solidified JJ as one of my favorite Brewers.

 

 

 

I prefer new format!

[agent39]

[molitor fan]

Wow, there was so much stupid in that thread I thought I had wandered into a political discussion.... I really feel this has to be addressed from the bottom up, not the top down...the biggest issue in baseball lies with the most prevalent group oddly - the lower level minors and minors in general...Until that massive salary squashing is broached the serious money should not be foremost in the argument

[SRB]

Josh, why is it that the logjam at the top has seemingly trickled all the way down to MiLB deals and less expensive free agents?

 

I'm of two minds about this offseason, because on the one hand I always support the players over the owners, but on the other hand I think the freeze at the top is not surprising given that players like Eric Hosmer and J.D. Martinez who are trying to get $150,000,000 deals are simply not, ahem, all that good. Can't figure out why so many other free agents haven't signed though. It's not like most teams are waiting to see what happens with Hosmer to figure out whether to commit money.

[jerichoholicninja]

Wow, there was so much stupid in that thread I thought I had wandered into a political discussion.... I really feel this has to be addressed from the bottom up, not the top down...the biggest issue in baseball lies with the most prevalent group oddly - the lower level minors and minors in general...Until that massive salary squashing is broached the serious money should not be foremost in the argument

 

I agree players should be paid more earlier but do you really think that they are then going to ask for less when they become free agents? Because they won't. The incredibly flawed free agent class this year is throwing a hissy fit because 2nd tier players aren't getting paid like superstars. Wait till next year when teams are throwing brinks trucks full of cash at future hall of famers and then we'll see where the complaining is coming from.

[agent39]

I have a 15 minute audio clip for me on MLB network today explaining my thoughts on everything arguing with Jim Bowden

[MadThinker88]

I have a 15 minute audio clip for me on MLB network today explaining my thoughts on everything arguing with Jim Bowden

 

Where can one listen to that clip?? I for one would love to take a listen...

[LouisEly]

Josh, to what extent might this be a function of the financial rules of the game changing? With the installation of additional penalties for going over the soft salary cap comes additional risk to teams if high salary players become injured or perform poorly because the salaries are guaranteed. Teams don't want to be saddled with the next Josh Hamilton contract, or the next Carl Crawford contract, or the next Pablo Sandoval contract, or the next Albert Pujols contract, etc., because those guys flame out long before their contract is up. Teams are understanding that players performing well into their late 30's was more of a function of PEDs than natural ability, and analytics are showing that performance starts dropping off in the mid-30's.

 

If analytics are showing that long-term guaranteed contracts, especially those that go into a player's late 30's, are a bad investment... how do you argue with that? It sounds like (maybe it's fact, maybe it's fiction) these guys have contract offers but are pushing for additional years.

[KeithStone53151]

Josh, to what extent might this be a function of the financial rules of the game changing? With the installation of additional penalties for going over the soft salary cap comes additional risk to teams if high salary players become injured or perform poorly because the salaries are guaranteed. Teams don't want to be saddled with the next Josh Hamilton contract, or the next Carl Crawford contract, or the next Pablo Sandoval contract, or the next Albert Pujols contract, etc., because those guys flame out long before their contract is up. Teams are understanding that players performing well into their late 30's was more of a function of PEDs than natural ability, and analytics are showing that performance starts dropping off in the mid-30's.

 

If analytics are showing that long-term guaranteed contracts, especially those that go into a player's late 30's, are a bad investment... how do you argue with that? It sounds like (maybe it's fact, maybe it's fiction) these guys have contract offers but are pushing for additional years.

 

Decline is part of it, the other part is so many players start coasting after they sign their last big contract. Do you think Pujols is working out like he did earlier in his career? Have you seen him lately?...that dude probably works out one handful of potato chips at a time in the off season and gets paid $30 million/year.

 

The decline part is definitely real though, and it probably makes sense to revisit the 6 years of team control thing, and likewise competitive balance so small market teams can compete. The end result probably should be a salary cap/floor so players can guarantee themselves X share of the market while allowing smaller markets to compete. That won't happen for silly reasons, but that doesn't change that the system probably needs addressing.

[agent39]

So i have to believe all 30 teams got smart w analytics while at the same time every player got greedy and every single agent myself included misread the market (i didnt as i feared this ie JJ signed)

 

No.

[agent39]

[ZBTMP]

So i have to believe all 30 teams got smart w analytics while at the same time every player got greedy and every single agent myself included misread the market (i didnt as i feared this ie JJ signed)

 

No.

 

I do love your willingness to interact with fans and the insights you provide, but I’m still not there on smelling anything fishy.

So we are supposed to believe that 30 MLB highly competitive executives and owners got together and said, “I know revenues are healthy, despite the fact that the overall value and revenue of our individual franchises are tied heavily to whether we win; let’s just refuse to compete with each other on high end free agents.” I mean I guess it could happen, but we’ve seen teams felony hacking each other’s intellectual property (Cardinals), bribing 16 year olds and shady trainers (Braves and Red Sox), and trying to blackmail a player’s amateur status (Astros) to gain an edge. Now they are all going to disregard their own evaluations of what a player is worth to artificially keep costs down?

I can look at the Phillies, Diamondbacks, Mariners, Twins, Brewers, etc and see baseball front offices are changing. I also see a market that has 3 pitchers coming off of Tommy John and a 4th with substantial decline trends in performance and see why there would be limited action. I don’t see a substantial, new, or any growing motivation for teams to collude.

[jerichoholicninja]

The more the players and agents keep screaming collusion the worse their side looks. It's all about the 2018 free agents (Harper, Machado, Kershaw, etc.). Therefore Boston, New York, LA, and Chicago aren't out there driving up costs this year so they can have money next year for those guys.

[agent39]

No it clearly isnt

 

1. How many guys will reach that market

2. How many clubs will be in in those bids?

3. The luxury tax is not a cap and is negligable when compared to revenues. Its ready made cover. Its in cba so that part is life. It doesnt mean both scenarios are not occuring.

4. Player revenues have only dipped year to year 3 times ever. All 3 times collusion waa proven.

5. Clubs cannot directly influence other clubs. Its in the damn cba

Players cant be instructed what to do either.

6. You guys are buying the argument teams are smart and all players are greedy and all agents failed to read the market.

7. The market changed because of what reason exactly

8. Only 1 100 mil contract was signed in 17. No one screamed collusion because everyone else got signed

9. It can both be a market correction and collusion. And not a vast one. It merely would take 2 clubs participating and with 12 clubs rebuilding and 8 avoiding the tax it leaves 10 teams give or take. Far easier to perpetuate wage suppression with less clubs involved.

10. Teams cannot compare offers w each other thanks to the 1990 collusion settlement. No information bank.

11. How are people against labor and pro billionaire class. It is mirroring politics and its maddening. Im not even screaming im literally laying out what I got

[KeithStone53151]

No it clearly isnt

 

1. How many guys will reach that market

2. How many clubs will be in in those bids?

3. The luxury tax is not a cap and is negligable when compared to revenues. Its ready made cover. Its in cba so that part is life. It doesnt mean both scenarios are not occuring.

4. Player revenues have only dipped year to year 3 times ever. All 3 times collusion waa proven.

5. Clubs cannot directly influence other clubs. Its in the damn cba

Players cant be instructed what to do either.

6. You guys are buying the argument teams are smart and all players are greedy and all agents failed to read the market.

7. The market changed because of what reason exactly

8. Only 1 100 mil contract was signed in 17. No one screamed collusion because everyone else got signed

9. It can both be a market correction and collusion. And not a vast one. It merely would take 2 clubs participating and with 12 clubs rebuilding and 8 avoiding the tax it leaves 10 teams give or take. Far easier to perpetuate wage suppression with less clubs involved.

10. Teams cannot compare offers w each other thanks to the 1990 collusion settlement. No information bank.

11. How are people against labor and pro billionaire class. It is mirroring politics and its maddening. Im not even screaming im literally laying out what I got

 

You really don't think GM's/front offices see the results of the long term deals into players late 30s? Ellsbury, pujols, zimmerman, sandoval, kemp, crawford, hamilton, I could keep going. Every one of these players screwed over the team that signed them. I get that these guys were vastly underpaid for their production earlier in their career, but does that mean players should get wildly overpaid to be below replacement in their mid-late 30s? These bad contracts inhibit a teams ability to compete, and inevitably can get GM's fired.

 

It would be much more fair to change the structure of team control so players are paid more in their primes but in a way that maintains reasonable competitive balance, but there isn't an easy answer to that.

[sveumrules]

I think a major issue that hasn't really been talked about with regards to the current state of things is that MLB front offices (& in turn teams) became much more analytically inclined betwwen the 2011 & 2016 CBAs. During this same time MLBPA seemingly maintained the status quo & fell behind from an information standpoint. Never a good place to be in negotiations with billion$ at stake.

 

MLB players had it the best economically of the three major sports for a long time but at this point they've been passed by the NBA, whose model they should attempt to emulate in some fashion. Salary cap/floor to ensure that players are guaranteed a certain % of league revenue each season.

 

Good luck getting the owners to agree to that at this point.

[jerichoholicninja]

The more the players and agents keep screaming collusion the worse their side looks. It's all about the 2018 free agents (Harper, Machado, Kershaw, etc.). Therefore Boston, New York, LA, and Chicago aren't out there driving up costs this year so they can have money next year for those guys.

 

 

Oh because theyre so strapped for cash now? What a ******** argument. Its not a damn cap.

 

Players get offered what management feels they're worth. The general consensus is that this year's free agents aren't worth that much. Next year, when guys are getting $200M+ deals, that's what management will feel they are worth too.