Linebrink acquired for Inman/Garrison/Thatcher

[PeaveyFury]

Did I miss something?

 

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Freaking Charter..... now I've got 3 days of catching up to do.

[Fatter than Joey]

He is the premier set-up man in the league. Why would you compare him to Chris Spurling?

 

I don't think he is the premier setup man in the league -- nowhere near the top -- check the stats -- I was surprised to see how craptacular he has been this year.

 

I am not comparing him to Spurling -- I am saying, he will get Spurling's innings.

 

That's because you don't like the trade and you always just spin thinks to make your point of view appear better.

 

It's pretty rare to hear players say something opposite of what Peavey and Hoffman said about Linebrink -- do you think they would have said "He sucks". generally speaking players are complimentary to each other in the press. Furthermore they are pitchers, they are not running any teams, nor do they have experience in that field.

 

Take out those 2 home runs (6 ER's) and his ERA is right about where it always is.

 

This is just silly -- If you took out 2 HRs for Linebrink he is better, sure.... However, you could do that for any middle reliever and their numbers would improve. Take out 2HRs for all the RPs in the NL and he is still in the middle of the pack at best.

 

In fairness to TheCrew, I don't really see how there is even a bad side to this trade.

 

Step. A -- Take off the goggles.

 

This is exactly the kind of move the Brewers needed to make and I am sure glad (like the national media, local media, and a lot of fans) that they did.

 

I'm happy if John Kruk and Steve Phillips are happy.

[PeaveyFury]

Definitely a surprise to see the news. I wasn't against trading Inman, but wanted to do it for the likes of Buerhle when available or Dunn.

 

That said, if there's one thing we should have learned by now, it's that our scouting/development guys are pretty darned good at what they do, as we haven't really given up anything that's done much in any of our trades. Heck, just a year ago the board was bemoaning the acquisition of another struggling reliever in Cordero at the expense of both Lee and our #2 position prospect in Nelson Cruz, and we all know how well that ended up working for the Brewers. Not that Inman is going to stink for sure, but the fact that the Brewers were willing to give him up speaks volumes, IMO.

 

I'm largely indifferent, as I think we've got a great chance to win now, and this is clearly an upgrade over Balfour. People here really dislike Yost's use of the pen, and more specifically using inferior relievers in tough situations, so there should be relief that those inferior options are being replaced by better ones. But, it's an upgrade that comes at a serious price. Though Doug hasn't led us wrong via trade yet.

 

Otherwise, I'm happy to see such a negative reaction to the trade, as it's seemingly Doug's secret to success! This is clearly the worst trade ever! Or at least since the Lee trade! Or the Sexson trade! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Fatter than Joey]

People here really dislike Yost's use of the pen, and more specifically using inferior relievers in tough situations, so there should be relief that those inferior options are being replaced by better ones. But, it's an upgrade that comes at a serious price.

 

This is how I feel -- I wouldn't say I hate the trade -- I see some positives, esp. if Sheets vacation gets extended -- but you summed it up nicely PF.

[PeaveyFury]

Also, anyone else surprised that we traded prospects to SD, and they didn't include Gwynn?

[TheCrew07]

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TheCrew, if you really don't see the opposing point of view after all these posts, then you're either blind or disrespectful. I'm not saying you have to agree with those of us who don't like the trade -- you can disagree with every word we've written, and you may be right. But to act, after all this discussion, like there aren't even two reasonable sides to consider . . . I don't have words.

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What are you talking about Greg? Look who actually wrote what you quoted before spouting off.

 

Peavey,

I figured you'd be happy when you saw this, after all the round and round we did on the prospects for pitchers issue on the trade forum. Was a good debate over there, I guess this means I lost or something... http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

[gregmag]

What are you talking about Greg? Look who actually wrote what you quoted before spouting off.

 

TheCrew, I apologize. I was cutting and pasting from different posts, and I put the wrong name to the wrong post. I looked; I just got it wrong, and my frustration probably made me sloppier. My mistake, and again, I'm sorry.

 

I'm done with this thread. It's making me stupid.

 

Greg.

[PeaveyFury]

I figured you'd be happy when you saw this, after all the round and round we did on the prospects for pitchers issue on the trade forum.

 

Not necessarily happy, as I'm not certain this is the most we could have gotten for Inman (or at least a package that he was included in).

 

That said, it does show that perhaps we do over value our own prospects a bit, or at least over estimate the values that they have in trades.

[brettac1]

Linebrink dons a Brewers uni for the first time, and voila - 12 runs.

 

No coincidence.

[logan82]

You rarely get a good value on trades during the season. I have to say I am not surprised that Balfor got traded. After it became apparent he wasn't going to stick with the big club that was really the only option.

[brewcrewnation]

Linebrink has not had a very good month, maybe this has to do with him thinking about the birth of his first child.

[Fatter than Joey]

You rarely get a good value on trades during the season.

 

I think SD got good value. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif Especially for a pending FA.

 

I have to say I am not surprised that Balfor got traded. After it became apparent he wasn't going to stick with the big club that was really the only option.

 

Exactly -- That was the risk of bringing Balfour up. Obviously we weren't the only team that thought Grant had an upside. It's too bad he didn't have the opportunity to pitch in a game like last nights.

[mikerollins]

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You rarely get a good value on trades during the season.

 

I think SD got good value. Especially for a pending FA

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I think SD got "craptastic" (your word of choice) value for a great middle reliever.

 

They are in a pennant race and they traded him for 3 guys how have never pitched a damn major league inning.

 

Theres a difference between teammates being complimentary of a former teammate after a trade and teammates being downright pissed off after a trade. They were downright pissed. It was the greatest trade melvin has made since he's been here in my opinion. He gave up nothing at all to get something of value.

 

The Sexson trade was OK, but really Moeller, Spivey Counsell, and De La Rosa didn't pan out. Overbay was a nice stop gap and allowed us to get Bush. Cappy has been solid. So essentially that trade was Sexson for Cappy and Bush. Solid trade, but not the fleecing that Brewers fans like to think.

 

Trading Carlos Lee for Cordero was also a good trade, but giving up Lee to get Cordero is essentially giving up an all-star to get one.

 

Giving up 3 minor league players to get a major league proven set up man was an absolute stone-cold lock no brainer.

[mikerollins]

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I don't think he is the premier setup man in the league -- nowhere near the top -- check the stats -- I was surprised to see how craptacular he has been this year.

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I did check the stats.

 

Unlike you, I chose to check his stats from his last 4 seasons.

 

You chose to check his stats from the last 4 appearances.

 

If leading the entire major leagues in Holds in the last 4 years doesn't classify as elite set-up man...i don't know what you're looking for in a set up man.

[PeaveyFury]

The Sexson trade was OK, but really Moeller, Spivey Counsell, and De La Rosa didn't pan out.

 

De la Rosa turned into Graffy, so that part is still helping the team. Spivey turned into Ohka which really helped the Brewers for a bit. Really, only Moeller didn't pan out, but that's probably the law of averages in a trade. I really can't think of a trade where another team has gotten the best of us under Melvin, so he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

[endaround]

Obermueller for Kolb. Sure Obermueller didn't do anything, but we had to deal with Kolb for another season.

[Fatter than Joey]

I think SD got "craptastic" (your word of choice) value for a great middle reliever.

 

This is strictly your opinion.

 

Theres a difference between teammates being complimentary of a former teammate after a trade and teammates being downright pissed off after a trade. They were downright pissed.

 

I am sure you do not know this to be fact -- and even if it is, so what? -- Hoffman and Wells are not GMs.

 

It was the greatest trade melvin has made since he's been here in my opinion.

 

Wow -- if you are willing to say this, before the guy has thrown a handful of innings, I think your opinion speaks for itself.

 

Saying you like/don't like the trade is one thing, declaring the trade the "greatest ever" or an "unmitigated failure" at this point in time is nothing but premature.

 

He gave up nothing at all to get something of value.

 

You remind me of that Cleo lady that used to be on the TV.

 

The Sexson trade was OK, ...., but not the fleecing that Brewers fans like to think.

 

Agreed 100%

 

Trading Carlos Lee for Cordero was also a good trade, but giving up Lee to get Cordero is essentially giving up an all-star to get one

 

I agree here as well -- the difference being, was this was an attempt to get something for a FA that was soon to be gone.

 

Giving up 3 minor league players to get a major league proven set up man was an absolute stone-cold lock no brainer.

 

Because minor league players never become major league setup guys?

 

Unlike you, I chose to check his stats from his last 4 seasons. You chose to check his stats from the last 4 appearances.

 

Snarkiness aside -- I checked them all as I am sure you did. The difference in our approaches is I tend to put a little more weight on what he has done in the last 2 years rather than what he has done over the last 4-5. The practical reason for this, is that his FA compensatory value will be determined on his last 2 years.

 

If leading the entire major leagues in Holds in the last 4 years doesn't classify as elite set-up man...i don't know what you're looking for in a set up man.

 

Holds mean about as much to me as saves do but less than what Lady Cleo says.

 

There are plenty of stats that suggest he is regressing -- stats I trust more than holds or saves.

[molitor fan]

Giving up 3 minor league players to get a major league proven set up man was an absolute stone-cold lock no brainer.

 

 

MikeRollins, could you please stop insulting me. Please. Really. Please, stop.

[mikerollins]

FTJ

 

I respect your posts and your opinion.

 

We disagree on the trade and I have no problem with that.

 

I'm just voicing my opinion, as you are.

 

No hard feelings.

 

I like the trade a lot more than some people, but I don't value mid level prospects the way some people do, especially during a pennant race.

[LouisEly]

People here really dislike Yost's use of the pen, and more specifically using inferior relievers in tough situations, so there should be relief that those inferior options are being replaced by better ones.

 

Well said Peavey. Less inferior relievers = more success in close games.

 

Towers told The Associated Press that Thatcher was the player they were after.

 

?Thatcher is the one guy we hope will help us,? he said in an AP story. ?It?s an acquisition similar to the one we made last year when we got Cla Meredith. [Thatcher] hasn?t had a chance yet, but has a tremendous strikeout-to-walk ratio and gets left-handers and right-handers out.

 

I find this statement, in particular the words "the one guy", by Towers to be very, very interesting. To me this connotates that he may view Thatcher to have more ML potential than Inman. Before you laugh/flame me too much, consider this: had he said "a guy", that would lead me to believe that he considers the other guys to have legit ML potential. But saying "the one guy" in reference to the trade...

 

He could mean "the one guy who will help us this year", but to me this is a very interesting choice of words.

[PeaveyFury]

Too bad we traded for Linebrink, as it's not like we need the bullpen help.

 

And it's not like 5 of the 6 losses on this road trip have been leads blown late by the pen or in extra innings....

[BrewCrewForever]

At least Linebrink pitched good today, got out of a jam.

[molitor fan]

I WISH Too bad had been traded for Linbrink...instead we traded some really nice prospects.....

[PeaveyFury]

Yeah. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[LouisEly]

Too bad we traded for Linebrink, as it's not like we need the bullpen help.

 

The problem is that Ned took Linebrink out because he has to use his formula. Maybe Ned should try something different.