Lefty Anyone?

[clancyphile]

Mike Stanton? The guy who set up the first balk-off I ever heard of?

[rluzinski]

No matter how you slice it Griffey is an upgrade over Jenkins+Mench -- looking at the whole year or the last couple of months.

 

Most likely, sure. But Griffey is 37 and a year removed from an .801 OPS. It's a stretch to assume Griffey will finish with a .960+ OPS this year. Going forward, I might expect a .900 OPS from Griffey and maybe a .825 OPS from our LF platoon. Of course, I'd also expect some kind of injury to Griffey as well...

[endaround]

Griffey will want his 2009 option picked up--thats $17 million. so it would also definitely cost Sheets and Capuano to get Griffey. And then he's likely to miss 70 games.

[BrewCrewForever]

o it would also definitely cost Sheets and Capuano to get Griffey

 

That I would not be okay with. Then I say no Griffey. I keep hearing he may be headed for Seattle.

[Fatter than Joey]

Griffey will want his 2009 option picked up--thats $17 million.

 

We don't have to pick that up, it is a club option.

 

I remain convinced that we can upgrade LF, we don't seem to have anyone in the wings in AAA, and I think if we can afford to pick up the option on Jenks in 2008, we can afford Griffey. If Jenks is an option in 2008 he is going to have to have a platoon partner like Mench.

 

There certainly may be better options than Griffey -- I won't deny that, but LF and our BP (if Cordero is leaving) are 2 places we could benefit from a trade on.

[Fatter than Joey]

That I would not be okay with (Sheets and Cappy leaving). Then I say no Griffey. I keep hearing he may be headed for Seattle.

 

That's really not a fair argument. Sheets may have already priced himself out of our price range regardless of what happens with Griffey or some other LFer. Furthermore, Griffey has a club option in 2009, it can be bought out for 4 mil.

 

As far as Seattle goes -- I hear that Jr. wants to retire there -- but not necessarily go there tomorrow -- I think Jr. assumes he can play for 2-5 more years, so something could happen where the Reds trade him to someone else, and then somehow 2-3 years down the road Jr. ends up in Sea.

[RightFieldCoder]

Seattle is in a sell position right now, so I don't think they will be going after Griffey.

 

I think the team is fine as is. Yes, we can use an upgrade over Latin Cappy, Spurling, and to a lesser extent LF. But the cost of obtaining the upgrades would not be cost beneficial in the long run, imho.

[rluzinski]

We don't have to pick that up, it is a club option.

 

I think end meant that Griffey would be unlikely to accept a trade to a team that didn't pick up the option right away.

 

and I think if we can afford to pick up the option on Jenks in 2008, we can afford Griffey.

 

I don't think we'll see Jenkins or Mench on the team next year.

[endaround]

Seattle is actually on a tear and is like 1.5 games out of the Wild Card. By July 31 that could of course change, but they won't be selling soon.

[BrewCrewForever]

Seattle is actually on a tear and is like 1.5 games out of the Wild Card. By July 31 that could of course change, but they won't be selling soon.

 

That was my thinking of why they might try to get Griffey.

[DHonks]

seriously guys, we wouldn't have to give up anything, so why not try Adam Pettyjohn, Zach Jackson, Manny Parra, or Joe Thatcher first?

[RightFieldCoder]

I keep hearing about whether they should trade Suzuki or let him walk. I assumed that would mean they are in a selling mode if they are thinking of trading him away.

 

I don't think we'll see Jenkins on the team next year.

 

I remember this chant/mantra from last year when everyone assured me he wouldn't be back for '07.

[Fatter than Joey]

I don't think we'll see Jenkins or Mench on the team next year.

 

I hope you are right.

[rluzinski]

I remember this chant/mantra from last year when everyone assured me he wouldn't be back for '07.

 

You didn't hear it from me and that was a completely different situation anyway. Jenkins had guaranteed contract for 2007. The only guaranteed money for 2008 is a $500k buyout.

[DrWood]

what really has irritated me was when they'd bring in shouse for a batter,and then follow up with Wise. Never makes sense to me.

[Thurston Fluff]

Griffey has a club option in 2009, it can be bought out for 4 mil.

 

So we would get to pay $17 million for an old but talented left fielder with a long history of injuries or pay $4 million for nothing at all? No thanks. Just not a very judicial way to spend money IMO. That $4 million could be spent on someone who would actually contribute.

[Fatter than Joey]

You didn't hear it from me and that was a completely different situation anyway

 

Plus Jenkins had 0 trade value in 2006, I would assume someone would be interested in him now.

 

I was amazed that Jenkins started 2007 with the Brewers -- I assume that happened because his trade value was low. Like Russ said, Jenkins was a sunk cost for 2007 so unless you get something of value, it doesnt make sense to dump him.

[pebadger]

I think Jenkins is still with the Crew this seasonbecause it became readily apparent in the offseason that his contract was almost a value, given the fact that there was no cheap and ready replacement for him within the system.

 

I'm with RLuz. Don't know why people are all hot and bothered to do something/anything at the deadline. I'm usually dead set against trading starters for relievers, and I don't really see how the Crew comes out ahead in picking up any of the availabe 'pen arms out there if they have to give up anybody better than Zack Jackson to get it done. The only exception to this might be Linebrink, but I don't think he's going to be available, at least not for Milwaukee. Otherwise, there are still lots of arm options within the system.

 

The team has things go the right direction, and it appears that chemistry is one of the big strengths of the clubhouse. Tinkering at the margins isn't going to make the team hugely better, but it could screw up chemistry in the clubhouse.

 

This team is pretty young. While they seem astute and mature, they don't yet seem hardened or jaded, either. Just let them keep thinking about playing ball, and don't make them wonder about who may or may not be with the team in two weeks. Next thing you know, if Jenks is gone guys might start thinking about things like 'fairness' and 'loyalty'. If they're having fun. let them have fun and play the games. Seems to be working so far. Plenty of time for busines in the offseason.

[SheetsCyYoung04]

If the Brewers eat the remainder of his 3 million dollar salary, Marte shouldnt take that much to acquire (maybe a Jackson or DIllard). A .322 OPS against from lefthanders would look darn nice out in that bullpen.

[Loopee]

Going back to the original subject of this thread, I don't think another anti-lefty specialist really improves this team much. Between Shouse and Wise we have an adequete LOOGY and a guy who dominates lefties and can pitch to a couple righties as well.

 

I'd be more inclined to go after someone who's particularly tough on righties to use in clutch relief situations, like a Lidge (.585 OPS against vs. Righties last 3 years, and may be available at a reasonable price due to injury). In any case, I don't think we need another anti-lefty guy, what would help most is simply the best available reliever.

 

That said, really the bullpen is a strength of this team anyway, so staying where we're at is entirely fine with me.

[dadofandrew]

Stanton is not just effective versus LH's, and would be a fine addition.