Rank the Brewer's Pitchers...

[twobrewers]

Everyone seems to have a different opinion on where YoGa should pitch. Should Bush move to the pen? Is Vargas as good as his ERA?

 

In addition Russ brought up how differently people view each pitcher sometimes based on little more than gut feeling.

 

So what is your perception? How do you rank the Brewer's pitchers?

 

1. Sheets

2. Villanueva

3. Cordero

4. Turnbow

5. Capuano

6. Gallardo

7. Bush

8. Suppan

9. Wise

10. Vargas

11. Spurling

12. Shouse

 

(And after typing that I realize that what I thought was a "weakness", our bullpen - is pretty darn good)

[razzzorsharp]

Prett much agree....

 

1) Sheets

2) Cordero

3) Capuano

4) Gallardo

5) Villanueva

6) Wise

7) Turnbow

8) Bush

9) Suppan

10) Shouse

11) Vargas

39) Spurling

[BrewCityUnit]

1. Sheets

2. Gallardo

3. Cordero

4. Villy

5. Wise

6. Capuano

7. Turnbow

8. Bush

9. Vargas

10. Suppan.

11. Spurling

12. Shouse

[ryanbraun75]

Starters

 

Sheets

Gallardo

Capuano

Suppan

Vargas

Bush

 

Relievers

 

Cordero

Villanueva

Turnbow

Wise

Shouse

Spurling

[uwisfan]

1 Sheets

2 Gallardo

3 Villanueva

4 Coco

5 Capuano

6 Turnbow

7 Wise

8 Suppan

9 Bush

10 Vargas

11 Shouse

12 Spurling

 

Gallardo has torn up the minors the past couple of years and has stepped into the majors as a starter without a hitch. He mixes speeds well, has good velocity and can throw anything for a strike. He can also handle the bat better than any other Brewer pitcher.

[rluzinski]

This is pretty tough thing to do. First, it's not really fair to throw reliever in there with starters, since many of them could never go the 5+ innings needed to start. Just different skill sets.

 

Second, we still haven't really seen THAT much of Yo or Villy in the majors yet. With Suppan and Cappy both being about true 4.0 ERA pitchers, it's tough to project rookie starting pitchers as sub 4.0 ERA guys right now. How many starting pitchers actually start as true sub 4.0 ERA guys?

[1992casey]

ryanbraun75, you cheated. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

But as Russ says, twobrewers is asking for something very difficult. I wouldn't know how to mix starters and relievers in such a ranking, either. Maybe we think in terms of MVP voting that excludes position players? It might be easier than a straight 'best to worst' and would allow us to mix and match a bit.

 

When voting for an MVP, you have to consider replaceability. That would easily rank Cordero among the starters, for instance.

[Ennder]

Well obviously its hard to really rate the young guys but its supposed to be fun so you just do your best. Taking the young guys out of the picture it pretty much comes down to Bush vs Suppan vs Vargas and how you rank those 3.

 

Starters

 

Sheets

Gallardo

Capuano

Bush

Suppan

Vargas

 

 

Relievers

 

Cordero

Villanueva

Turnbow

Wise

Shouse

Spurling

[gregmag]

I almost exactly agree with Ennder's rankings. The only difference is that, for me, Capuano has had too much success to place behind YoGa after only three starts. You could say the same for Suppan, but I think there are legitimate reasons to believe Soup is in decline. Bush is a wild card; I agree that he ranks ahead of Soup based on upside and behind Cappy and YoGa based on limitations (to this point in his career).

 

We really need somebody to step up and pitch like a #2 starter. Cappy seems like the best candidate, but anyone north of Vargas could theoretically pull it off.

 

Greg.

[UeckerAddict]

Are we ranking what they've done so far this year, what we think they will do, or what they have historically done?

[JoeHova]

I'll rate them by what I feel will be their value going forward:

 

Sheets

Gallardo

Villanueva

Capuano

Cordero

Bush

Suppan

Vargas

Wise

Turnbow

Spurling

Dessens

Shouse

[FVBrewerFan]

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This is pretty tough thing to do. First, it's not really fair to throw reliever in there with starters

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I know what you're saying, but I think it's possible to group all pitchers together while understanding their role with the team. Another variation would be how good a pitcher is vs his counterparts in the NL or MLB. For example, Bush vs other #4 starters. Shouse vs all other loogies. I'll use the former:

 

1. Sheets

2. Villanueva

3. Cordero

4. Gallardo

5. Capuano

6. Turnbow

7. Suppan

8. Bush

9. Wise

10. Vargas

11. Spurling

12. Shouse

 

What I discovered going through this exercise is just how close 6-12 really are. Spurling just may be the best "last man in the pen" in the league. Now that Wise is #5 in the pen, he almost has to be the best in the league in that role. We'll see where Balfour stands before long.

[robfuhr]

I look at it differently....What is your confidence level in each pitcher is on the mound....5 being most confident and 1 being scared to death.

 

Here is how I see it.

 

5's (Very confident

 

Sheets

Villanueva

 

4's

 

Cordero

 

3's

 

Capuano

Suppan

Wise

Gallardo

 

2's

 

Turnbow

Bush

Vargas

Shouse

Spurling

 

1's

 

None

(although Spurling is very Close, but he is much better than what the Crew has had in the past in that position)

[Ennder]

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I look at it differently....What is your confidence level in each pitcher is on the mound....5 being most confident and 1 being scared to death.

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Ooh I like that idea.

 

5's (Very confident)

 

Sheets

Villanueva

Cordero

 

4's

 

Wise

 

3's

 

Capuano

Suppan

Bush

Gallardo

Shouse

Turnbow

 

2's

 

Vargas

Spurling

[bklynbrewcrew]

I would rank my confidence in each pitcher as follows:

 

1 Sheets 2 Villanueva 3 Cordero 4 Gallardo 5 Capuano 6 Turnbow 7 Bush 8 Wise 9 Vargas 10 Suppan 11 Spurling 12 Shouse

 

I would say that I am very confident with the first three, fairly confident in Yo, Cappy, Turnbow (even though he makes me nervous) Bush and Wise and very little confidence in the rest.

[jlau20]

1. Sheets - not as many K's as usual, more W's than usual and I'll take that anyday

 

2. Cordero - slipping lately, but 27 S and 3 BS is excellent

 

3. Villanueva - Mr. Reliable when we need a few innings to catch up or when knotted up

 

4. Turnbow - ups and downs are better than all downs like the last half or so of last season

 

5. Gallardo - only a few starts and has been impressive, should be 3-0, ignoring today's relief appearance

 

6. Capuano - generally ok, pretty impressive first five or so starts, hopefully he can get back to where he was

 

7. Wise - he is what he is and does pretty well with it, like him better when he comes in with the bases empty

 

8. Vargas - bottom line is that the team, mostly, wins when he starts, whatever it is I'll take it, somewhat taxes our bullpen

 

9. Suppan - eh, not too shabby for awhile, lately, very shabby

 

10. Bush - Take the guy out after the 5th, no questions asked

 

11. Spurling - ERA isn't bad, hasn't been terrible but...

 

12. Shouse - Our lefty specialist. Unfortunately the odds of him getting that lefty out lately are slim to none and then Ned leaves him out there to face the righties, and without looking at stats, seems to me does somewhat better against

[joshjs]

Sheets

Wise

Villanueva

Cordero

Bush

Gallardo

Capuano

Suppan

Turnbow

Vargas

Shouse

Spurling

Aquino

 

I love Dave Bush. I can't help myself.

[UWRyan428]

Rotation

 

Sheets (Ace...of spades)

Bush (The next Chris Carpenter)

Yo K's K's and more K's. And he brings a bat. Carlos Zambrano v. Yo. I'd pay to see that as a pitching match-up or a boxing match...nah. Let's make it UFC.

Cappy The lefty Roy Oswalt... Not putting up Quality starts like he did last year. And very un-Roy-like, he got injured. Do we really need a lefty? OK. The judges have ruled we're disqualified unless we supply a lefty, kind of like mixed softball. Sorry guys, can't argue with the judges. Cappy stays...for now.

Villy Obviously, being traded for peanuts, or a poor pitcher, does wonders for a man's self-esteem, as this young phenom continues to pitch out of the 'pen with nary a hiccup or outburst. We appreciate a gent who does whatever he can to help the team win. And he keeps the bullpen catcher company.

Soup He should be our fifth starter on our team, and the top fifth in the majors, at least until Villy invades the rotation, which will be well past his second NLCS MVP trophy I'm hoping... Let's just hope there isn't a referrendum on cloning concurrent to the Series.

Vargas "Don't Call Us, We'll Call You." The Booty Call, even after you have no need for booty calls. You had a good run; we appreciate your hard work. Now get out before Yo sees you. Hurry!

 

Relievers

 

T-Bow He's more of a howitzer than a Bow. He looks like the guy you pay to landscape, and you always catch in your garage hitting the hippie lettuce. Wait...is that only me who that happens to? But the guy can mow, so you put up with the random events that go along with the well pedicured numbers.

Wise This guy should be on Comedy Central, with his freak injury, to the hilarity with which batters swing for the change. They bring their dollars, and he always makes change for them. They wait for it, knowing it's coming, hoping it's coming, and when it comes, they see sugar, only to be left with a mouthful of dust....if they're lucky. That's Matty's change, appearing all week here, at the Improv.

CoCo Beware! He hasn't been tested since he stared down A-Ram. And I still think he's one of the top two closers in the NL, with Takashi. Billy Wagner is going the way of Bob Wickman.

Shouse How does a LOOGy get a 3 inning save? HOW! Lefty...THREE INNING...Guy???? Is Ned writing his own, Tony LaRussa, micro-managing book? He's like the shower I had in college. You know you need to use it...a lot. You hope it's going to end clean, but it runs really hot cold and sometimes just surviving without scalding burns and not crying is all you can hope for.

Spurling The classic coin-flip situation in poker. You just hope the odds hold up...

Capellan Old Yeller. Where's the gun? Wait. The 'Stache just gave him away so his rabid bite could infect another great franchise? If only he would have talked to Andy MacPhail. I hear he's looking for a good closing prospect, Marmol-ade, be cursed.

[twobrewers]

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I look at it differently....What is your confidence level in each pitcher is on the mound....5 being most confident and 1 being scared to death.

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I wish I had explained it that well. But that is exactly what I was looking for!