Censorship on the boards

[ja002h]

The moderator who deleted it has apologized and admitted as much.

 

I admitted no such thing. I said the initial topic/postings were fine, and it looked like it was becoming an irrational hatefest.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Almost as sad as the response I got that this is brewerfan.net, we run this ship they way we want, not the way America is run. ]

 

We're with the terrorists.

[ja002h]

Almost as sad as the response I got that this is brewerfan.net, we run this ship they way we want, not the way America is run.

 

So are you saying that private institutions should be run like public ones have to be? That's a whoooole big box to open

[ja002h]

We're with the terrorists.

 

I hate freedom.

[Katuluu]

I find that the quality of tis site is weakening due to posters like yourself. Your attitude is overly negative, you are condescending to other posters, you have refused to accept responsibility for your actions, and you threw a hissy fit because you didn't get your way last night. It was outright childish behavior, and I'm ashamed I had to witness it on this site.

[batman]

If you hate this website so much, Brewer Fever, why do you read and post here? There are several other options if you enjoy chatting about the Brewers online that might be more consistent with what you would like to see in an internet community. I'm not intending to be mean or encouraging you to go, but if brewerfan.net makes you unhappy, why are you here?

 

~Bill

[Brewer Fever]

Look at the response. Essentially if you don't like it, leave. Wow. Well, maybe because I am a Brewer fan. I have always held this site in high regard. It's very imformative. The only knock against it, is when the Brewers take their annual turn for the worse, and fans try to identify problems with the team, it is frowned upon.

 

No, private businesses do not have to be run they way public ones are, but they can be. It's always sad when they choose not to.

 

It's also sad that the operator of this site has no problem with people urging someone who is not in agreement with popular opinion to leave. Someome just said that a person who doesn't agree with everyone else, makes this place worse. Big WOW, absolutely amazing. Censorship and the slippery slope continues to gain steam.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if the guy stirring all this up would just leave.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Wouldn't it be nice if the guy stirring all this up would just leave. ]

 

Doing this for 4 years now, i've learned that you can't please all of the people all of the time. You appear to be one of those people.

 

If I need to irritate even 5% of our user base to do what I feel has made Brewerfan.net successful, believe me, I will.

 

If you want to pretend that the site is censoring all negative posts, I guess I can't stop you. However, if you look in the major league forum, there have been PLENTY of negative threads that have gone off without a hitch or a censor. I'm sure i've even chimed in on some of them.

 

[ Someome just said that a person who doesn't agree with everyone else, makes this place worse. ]

 

Your overgeneralizations do not hold any water with me, and will not change the way I direct this site, so don't bother with them.

[YutakaEnatsu]

Brewer Fever, just as a voice from the crowd here, it's obvious that no moderator here is "censoring" you (your word, by the way) because you disagree with them or criticize the Brewers. Good Lord, if those two things didn't happen dozens of times every day, this board would be vacant and dead.

 

You're not the first person to get riled up here and start playing the "Look at me, I'm such a martyr" card, not even this month. One nice thing about this very intelligent and civil group is that people will see right through that act. Another nice thing is that the moderators quickly and fairly clean up the resulting mess. This is a positive, not a negative.

[Brewer Fever]

Yutaka, just in case you weren't aware, my perfectly legitimate thread was locked and declared rantish yesterday. That's precisely what censorship is.

[And That]

my perfectly legitimate thread was locked and declared rantish yesterday

 

In your opinion is was "prefectly legit." Obviously, is someone else's opinion, it wasn't, especially in lieu of the other trouble you were causing yesterday. If you want to call it censorship, that's fine, but moderators will censor things that need to be censored in the best interests of the board. Is it opinion-based censorship? Yes. However, all censorship, including censoring swear words and political rantings is opinion-based, so you're just going to have to live with the opinions of those that govern you here.

[pogokat]

it is worth noting:

 

The thread was locked initially, it was not deleted until about an hour later...

 

You can ALWAYS start a new thread voicing the ideas you were trying to get through...maybe there was a screup in looking your thread..maybe not...but sometimes youve got to move on and just start over...

 

i know you were pissed last night, but once you reposted your thoughts there was conversation...so i don't really see where the problem is...i mean weve been over all of this and things seem like they are back to normal...

 

I know you were upset...but how were you really censored...it seems to me you were more inconveinieced than anything...

[Brewer Fever]

It was censorship.

[And That]

It was censorship.

 

Good. Now let's move on with our lives.

[Katuluu]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/gamble76/HolyGrail007.jpg

Help, help, I'm being repressed.

[berniebrewer4life]

katuluu, i don't think there could be a better picture to discribe this thread.

[PeaveyFury]

So now we can't even post seperate threads for seperate transactions to filter the discussion?

 

Color me unimpressed with some of the moderating decisions lately as well, though I know it is a thankless job.

[And That]

Well, technically speaking there were seven seperate transactions. If someone really wants to start an in-depth Kane Davis mechanics thread, or a thread comparing Hart to a robot, or a thread comparing Capellan to Paul Anka, they can start a thread on that. Transaction threads are for announcing transactions, and these came as a group. If you're unimpressed with that, so be it.

 

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[YutakaEnatsu]

Fever, I was aware of what went on with your closed and deleted thread.

 

Trust me, the only reason people are humouring you this much in this thread is that we're here on the "Issues" board. It's not censorship when the mods delete the redundant, the pointless, or the trollish, anymore than when someone paints over a wall on their property with graffiti on it, or the ushers kick the screaming drunk out of the stands at Miller Park. Get over yourself soon, please... or heck, don't. Maybe this one will end up in WOAH SOLVDD before too long.

[DuWayne Steurer]

As far as the rather large transaction thread goes, I can see wanting all relevant transactions in one thread (especially when they're in a lumped together group of related transactions) but for a good period of time, the thread wasn't labelled as such, and I can easily see how someone would NOT know that discussion of Davis and Capellan being called up would have been contained within. Eventually, of course, those moves were put into the thread title, but until then, unless someone read through 90+ posts, there would have been no way of knowing those transactions had already been posted without putting up a new thread.

[bjamesw22]

One thing I dislike is when someone is being very condescending and I tell the person to stop I am told to basically "mind my own business" because I am not a moderator. There are people who include cheap shots and insults in their posts constantly, and when someone responds to them or defends themselves or someone else they are made out to be the bad guy. I don't think people should be allowed to be condescending and degrade people to make a point. And the same people do it over and over again. And every time I say something to them I am told by someone else to "mind my own business" because I am not a moderator. I don't understand that. I guess I would expect a moderator to step in, support the person being degraded, and say to that person or persons, "there is no point to making a comment or comments like that, please stop."

 

I just believe that the people who start the condescension should be told to stop. And I understand the "just ignore the person" segment here, but when it gets to a point where these people do it all the time, it becomes very upsetting and leads, over time, to retaliation. I've seen people be condescending, although not often, to moderators too, and the moderators get fiesty when jabbed at and I see those taken care of real quick.

[Brian the Automator]

bjames, your situation is unique for reasons we've discussed privately.

[bjamesw22]

I'm not just talking about me. I'm talking about the way this happens to others also. Whenever someone's competence is being challenged or whenever someone is put down, tempers are going to flare. Not just with me. And we all agree that pissing matches suck, so why not thwart the causes?

[bjamesw22]

I guess I compare it to a fight.

 

Someone comes out starts insulting someone and pushes them around putting the person in a position where he has to defend himself. Then all of a sudden you have vultures around cheering it on and all hell breaks loose.

 

If the bully get's picked on by a bigger bully, he stops. The bigger bully here is a moderator. They have the power to stop it so that the situations don't come up anymore.

 

There is a difference between civil discussion, insightful comments, and whitty banter and someone being ignorantly condescending trying to make their argument look tougher by cheapshotting the people they are talking to.

 

Just my $.02.

[Brian the Automator]

That's all well and good, unless the person who's crying foul was actually the initial offender. If the initial person is condescending, then other people are condescending to that person as a result, it's hard to fault the 2nd party.

 

Of course, remedying that situation means that the first person must recognize when they were being condescending or baiting, and that's been some of the problems we've had in the past.