Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[DR28]

4 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Well, you aren't wrong.

 

Lol yea... ******** Schefter got me...

I bet trade to Jets is announced before weekend is out, too much smoke here.

[nate82]

9 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Lol yea... ******** Schefter got me...

I bet trade to Jets is announced before weekend is out, too much smoke here.

Maybe but I would think the Dolphins and Raiders would also be interested?  Would make sense for the Packers to see if Rodgers would prefer to play there also.  Would probably increase Rodgers trade value a bit.

[DR28]

6 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Maybe but I would think the Dolphins and Raiders would also be interested?  Would make sense for the Packers to see if Rodgers would prefer to play there also.  Would probably increase Rodgers trade value a bit.

Right but arent we still over the cap? We need to be under come Wednesday... There's mentions that us and Jets are talking about his contract and trade details.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Right but arent we still over the cap? We need to be under come Wednesday... There's mentions that us and Jets are talking about his contract and trade details.

They did a bunch of restructures last week, and are now safely under the cap. 

[PeaveyFury]

Yes, the cap is not an imminent concern for Green Bay before the start of the league year. What they intend do after that is what they'd need to clear cap for.

[reillymcshane]

1 hour ago, PeaveyFury said:

Frankly, I'm not ENTIRELY sure that's the plan. They may take 2023 as a reboot year to clear cap and reload for 2024 and beyond. There's validity to that mindset, though I do think the team is more talent-laden than we seem to give them credit for.

I was thinking about this as well. But there's enough talent to - potentially - do well with Love at the helm. If we reboot, we should move on from guys (such as Bakhtiari) and take as many cap hits as possible this season. 

But whatever. The front office knows the personnel better than I do. It will be interesting what happens.

[reillymcshane]

It certainly seems like something is going to happen here. Neither the Packers or Rodgers is denying anything. 

Regarding compensation - I'd love the 1st round pick from the Jets. Some speculate it won't be that good. But the Jets are in a tough spot. They don't want the Packers walking away and talking to other teams. They need to seal the deal before anything like that happens. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, SeaBass said:

This is honestly what I've assumed for the last couple seasons with the "will he or won't he" be traded shenanigans. It's hard to expect playoffs in year one of Jordan Love under center, especially considering they didn't make the playoffs last year WITH Rodgers. I'm a little surprised people seem to think they'll still compete this season when/if Rodgers is traded. I think it's a big reason that Rodgers is amenable to a trade in the first place, that him staying in Green Bay isn't going to translate to being an upper-tier contender.

I think that the team is pretty good and had a lot go wrong last year. So much so that if Rodgers did play next year I think they would be right back there again probably one tier beneath the true contenders. Rodgers also did not play really great football last season by any stretch and may have been hurt to a level no one is truly certain.

I think Rodgers's first year as a starter is a good benchmark. They were 6-10 but lost a bunch of games on last-minute drives and were definitely competitive. No one really cared and wrote them off as a bad team, and they came out of nowhere the next year to go 11-5. 

So I wouldn't be surprised by that same kind of season but they could easily be 10-7 instead with a few good breaks. I definitely wouldn't write them off as non-competitive if Rodgers is traded. There are a lot of good players on that team.

 

[DR28]

27 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

They did a bunch of restructures last week, and are now safely under the cap. 

Got it, thank you!

[jerichoholicninja]

Wouldn't it make more sense to get a 2024 first round pick? If Love bombs you can package both 2024 picks and move up to get the QB you want or if the whole team tanks be in a spot to draft that guy without a trade.

[DR28]

4 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

It certainly seems like something is going to happen here. Neither the Packers or Rodgers is denying anything. 

Regarding compensation - I'd love the 1st round pick from the Jets. Some speculate it won't be that good. But the Jets are in a tough spot. They don't want the Packers walking away and talking to other teams. They need to seal the deal before anything like that happens. 

Agreed, that's why I feel this gets done sometime before Sunday.

Although I do understand what nate82 said about seeing other team's offers... But it's been said Packers arent asking for a over the top deal, just a fair deal.

[PeaveyFury]

11 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to get a 2024 first round pick? If Love bombs you can package both 2024 picks and move up to get the QB you want or if the whole team tanks be in a spot to draft that guy without a trade.

I'd think the Packers would probably start the conversation asking for both, but I could absolutely see it ending up as a 2nd & 3rd this year and a conditional first next year based on the Jets' success or Rodgers returning.

[adambr2]

I'm excited to see what we get in trade while being prepared to be disappointed.

I'd expect something conditional, but would be disappointed with a Favre type return. I'd be happy to land the Jets 1st this year if its guaranteed, even if that's the only piece. Anything more would be gravy.

Prediction - their 2nd this year (#43 overall), and a conditional 2nd next year which can become a 1st.

[PeaveyFury]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Prediction - their 2nd this year (#43 overall), and a conditional 2nd next year which can become a 1st.

This feels on-point to me. I'd love (pun intended) the 2nd and a young first-contract player (ala Jermaine Johnson) but we'll see. The Wilson deal at least set some precedent for that possibility.

[SeaBass]

Maybe they don't get the Jets 1st free and clear but I could see a pick swap from 15 up to 13 being part of it.

[adambr2]

Would anyone have any interest in Zach Wilson in return (in addition to pick compensation) as Love's backup?

[PeaveyFury]

12 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Maybe they don't get the Jets 1st free and clear but I could see a pick swap from 15 up to 13 being part of it.

Also not a bad idea if coupled with the 2nd. This feels like a draft where a lot of random stuff could happen in the early/mid first round and New England seems to be a wildcard at 14. Moving up a couple spots could be the difference in having one of the top WRs available or not.

[adambr2]

The difficult part if we end up disappointed with trade compensation is knowing we could have almost certainly received a great deal more at this time last year. 

The old adage about it being better to move on a year too early than a year too late applies.

[PeaveyFury]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The difficult part if we end up disappointed with trade compensation is knowing we could have almost certainly received a great deal more at this time last year. 

The old adage about it being better to move on a year too early than a year too late applies.

Clearly correct as it played out, but I think they did what they had to do based on the situation as it stood last year. We forget quickly that the team was a super bowl favorite to start the year last year, so 'running it back' was the logical choice for the FO to make. If we'd have known they'd shockingly miss the playoffs, they absolutely should have torn the bandaid off last year instead.

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Clearly correct as it played out, but I think they did what they had to do based on the situation as it stood last year. We forget quickly that the team was a super bowl favorite to start the year last year, so 'running it back' was the logical choice for the FO to make. If we'd have known they'd shockingly miss the playoffs, they absolutely should have torn the bandaid off last year instead.

I think if the plan was to run it back and expect to be in a similar spot to 2021, that plan had to include Davante Adams. 

Trying to run it back with a few rookie WRs and low end FAs looked like a flimsy plan even without the benefit of hindsight, IMO.

[homer]

49 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to get a 2024 first round pick? If Love bombs you can package both 2024 picks and move up to get the QB you want or if the whole team tanks be in a spot to draft that guy without a trade.

If Love bombs they may not have to move up

[adambr2]

14 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Also not a bad idea if coupled with the 2nd. This feels like a draft where a lot of random stuff could happen in the early/mid first round and New England seems to be a wildcard at 14. Moving up a couple spots could be the difference in having one of the top WRs available or not.

Packers Twitter will explode if they take a WR in the 1st, lol. 

I actually think if they land an extra 2nd, someone like Hyatt or Downs would be a nice potential target. 

[SeaBass]

32 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think that the team is pretty good and had a lot go wrong last year. So much so that if Rodgers did play next year I think they would be right back there again probably one tier beneath the true contenders. Rodgers also did not play really great football last season by any stretch and may have been hurt to a level no one is truly certain.

I think Rodgers's first year as a starter is a good benchmark. They were 6-10 but lost a bunch of games on last-minute drives and were definitely competitive. No one really cared and wrote them off as a bad team, and they came out of nowhere the next year to go 11-5. 

So I wouldn't be surprised by that same kind of season but they could easily be 10-7 instead with a few good breaks. I definitely wouldn't write them off as non-competitive if Rodgers is traded. There are a lot of good players on that team.

 

My issue with a lot of this (not with your opinion but with how the season played out) is if Rodgers was hurt to the point that the Packers missed the playoffs directly because of it then Love should have been starting. That they made the decision to ride an injured Rodgers out is near inexcusable but clearly some ego massaging was going on there.

Second, they needed an epic run at the end of the season just to have the chance to make the playoffs. They were not a good football team, they beat 4 playoff teams, 3 by 6 pts or fewer, and only one of those made it to the divisional round and that's because Dallas played against Tampa Bay. I don't think playing Rodgers or Love would have made that much difference in the end. Again, rhetorical question, in that scenario why not play Love?

Could they make the playoffs with Love this season? Sure, anything is possible, there are good players on this team and who knows what the draft might bring. But I agree with what you said, expecting something like Rodgers' first starting season at 6-10 feels more likely and that's what I had in mind thinking about Love's first year starting regardless of when that finally comes.

[adambr2]

I think the division could also be pretty competitive. The Lions could be playoff caliber, the Vikings are usually in the thick of things. The Bears obviously stunk but depending on the pieces they add and Fields' development they could improve quickly. 

[PeaveyFury]

21 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I think if the plan was to run it back and expect to be in a similar spot to 2021, that plan had to include Davante Adams. 

Trying to run it back with a few rookie WRs and low end FAs looked like a flimsy plan even without the benefit of hindsight, IMO.

I guess I’d in turn note that they were still considered Super Bowl contenders immediately heading into the season, which was six months after the Adams trade.