Brian Anderson to Brewers!!!! Yes!!!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

27 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

Best case - Anderson hits well, but Wiemer/Owen Miller/Toro also do so well they make it easy for the Crew to flip Anderson at the deadline for a lottery ticket or two - even in a pennant race.

Middle case - Anderson hits well, holds down RF and/or 3B.

Worst case - Anderson slumps, Brewers DFA him.

I think you have your best and middle case reversed.

[clancyphile]

42 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I think you have your best and middle case reversed.

I don't think so.

Ideally, the Brewers are in a situation where they can bolster the team's long-term prospects by flipping Anderson and Winker for a couple of lottery tickets and/or PTBNLs, and not miss a beat because Frelick/Wiemer/others force their way to the majors due to excellent performance.

It's not just about 2023 - it's also about finding the next Freddy Peralta, Fernando Vina, or Manny Pina - all of whom provided or key contributions to the Brewers.

[Brock Beauchamp]

17 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

I don't think so.

Ideally, the Brewers are in a situation where they can bolster the team's long-term prospects by flipping Anderson and Winker for a couple of lottery tickets and/or PTBNLs, and not miss a beat because Frelick/Wiemer/others force their way to the majors due to excellent performance.

It's not just about 2023 - it's also about finding the next Freddy Peralta, Fernando Vina, or Manny Pina - all of whom provided or key contributions to the Brewers.

It's highly unlikely to happen but Winker should be eligible for the qualifying offer should his bat return to being way above average. That hadn't occurred to me until this moment.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

18 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

I don't think so.

Ideally, the Brewers are in a situation where they can bolster the team's long-term prospects by flipping Anderson and Winker for a couple of lottery tickets and/or PTBNLs, and not miss a beat because Frelick/Wiemer/others force their way to the majors due to excellent performance.

It's not just about 2023 - it's also about finding the next Freddy Peralta, Fernando Vina, or Manny Pina - all of whom provided or key contributions to the Brewers.

Perhaps if the team was giving indications that they were preparing for a rebuild, you'd have a point. But the moves they've made, to me at least, scream "reload" and not "rebuild". The trades they've made have been for MLB or close to MLB-ready players. They aren't going to suddenly reverse course and start selling off valuable veterans for 17 year olds while in the midst of a pennant race. I'm not saying that they should 100% avoid finding talent to populate the low minors and instructional leagues, but that has not been the team's recent trend, and it's hard to see that changing until they do decide to go full rebuild.

[TURBO]

33 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

I don't think so.

Ideally, the Brewers are in a situation where they can bolster the team's long-term prospects by flipping Anderson and Winker for a couple of lottery tickets and/or PTBNLs, and not miss a beat because Frelick/Wiemer/others force their way to the majors due to excellent performance.

It's not just about 2023 - it's also about finding the next Freddy Peralta, Fernando Vina, or Manny Pina - all of whom provided or key contributions to the Brewers.

If Anderson and Winker are performing well enough that other teams would want them at the deadline, then it would be foolish to deal them.  That means they are having good seasons and helping us win.

We signed them in hopes of them helping us win, if they are doing that, trading them seems foolish.

[Brock Beauchamp]

4 minutes ago, TURBO said:

If Anderson and Winker are performing well enough that other teams would want them at the deadline, then it would be foolish to deal them.  That means they are having good seasons and helping us win.

We signed them in hopes of them helping us win, if they are doing that, trading them seems foolish.

Yeah, this is my feeling as well. And teams just aren't going to pay much in prospect capital for a good player who will play two months with them, making it a moot point.

[monty57]

In his two top years, Winker's wRC+ was in the 140's. That would put him in the Julio Rodriguez/Juan Soto/Pete Alonzo range. If he does that, I doubt the Brewers trade him. It would, however, go a long ways to getting us the division title and hopefully a good run in the playoffs.

As to Turang, I'm fine if he starts, and I'm fine if he's held down to gain a year's service time. The only scenario I don't want to see is him taking on "the Jace Peterson role" as a utility guy off the bench. That would not be worth making him a free agent a year early, losing a year's service time when he's in his prime.

To the guy in the title of this thread, I don't see a problem with him starting at 3B, probably getting some bench time in favor of Brosseau when a lefty is on the mound. He plays decent defense at the position and there's plenty of reason to believe that he could be a good bat again. If not, then he's served his purpose by buying us another year of Turang's service when he gets called up and Anderson gets relegated to bench duty or DFA'd.

For one of the cheapest free agents signed this offseason, we have become a better team than we were before the signing. Urias gets to move to his natural position, Adames stays at SS, Anderson/Brosseau man the hot corner with Toro/Miller as the utility IF. We (hopefully) start Mitchell and Frelick in the OF, and now we don't have to start three rookies from day one.

[CheezWizHed]

21 hours ago, Oxy said:

Meh. Not exactly Babe Ruth.

I'll guarantee Anderson out-hits the Babe this year.  I mean the Babe didn't even crack the MLB last year.

[Thurston Fluff]

6 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I'll guarantee Anderson out-hits the Babe this year.  I mean the Babe didn't even crack the MLB last year.

Yea, but I heard he stopped drinking. Possible come back player of the year candidate?

[brewcrewdue80]

2 hours ago, monty57 said:

In his two top years, Winker's wRC+ was in the 140's. That would put him in the Julio Rodriguez/Juan Soto/Pete Alonzo range. If he does that, I doubt the Brewers trade him. It would, however, go a long ways to getting us the division title and hopefully a good run in the playoffs.

As to Turang, I'm fine if he starts, and I'm fine if he's held down to gain a year's service time. The only scenario I don't want to see is him taking on "the Jace Peterson role" as a utility guy off the bench. That would not be worth making him a free agent a year early, losing a year's service time when he's in his prime.

To the guy in the title of this thread, I don't see a problem with him starting at 3B, probably getting some bench time in favor of Brosseau when a lefty is on the mound. He plays decent defense at the position and there's plenty of reason to believe that he could be a good bat again. If not, then he's served his purpose by buying us another year of Turang's service when he gets called up and Anderson gets relegated to bench duty or DFA'd.

For one of the cheapest free agents signed this offseason, we have become a better team than we were before the signing. Urias gets to move to his natural position, Adames stays at SS, Anderson/Brosseau man the hot corner with Toro/Miller as the utility IF. We (hopefully) start Mitchell and Frelick in the OF, and now we don't have to start three rookies from day one.

So annoying towards manipulating for 7th season. Turang does not scream super star forthcoming. Quite a decent amount here expect him to fall flat on his rookie season and wanted a move like this to push Urias to 2b and less reliant on how the Brewers season would go playing a questionable rookie.  Those doubts come true you know what will happen? He's optioned to minors rolling his service time back Then, rather than holding him down 2weeks.  If he's a stud instead his future control can be dealt with via an extension. 2weeks=Super 2. 4th arb-more money expectations.  Good version of Turang extension solves your problem. Lacking version? More time in minors(like Arcia) and the price value should remain affordable/doable throughout. 

AAAA players going to AAAA

Stars going to extend.

Middle ground like the feel Turang will be, useful and affordable and mindfully on the look out to find better at their position.

I get withholding a minute portion of players til Super 2 is passed. But a vast majority its not making a difference.

[clancyphile]

3 hours ago, monty57 said:

In his two top years, Winker's wRC+ was in the 140's. That would put him in the Julio Rodriguez/Juan Soto/Pete Alonzo range. If he does that, I doubt the Brewers trade him. It would, however, go a long ways to getting us the division title and hopefully a good run in the playoffs.

As to Turang, I'm fine if he starts, and I'm fine if he's held down to gain a year's service time. The only scenario I don't want to see is him taking on "the Jace Peterson role" as a utility guy off the bench. That would not be worth making him a free agent a year early, losing a year's service time when he's in his prime.

To the guy in the title of this thread, I don't see a problem with him starting at 3B, probably getting some bench time in favor of Brosseau when a lefty is on the mound. He plays decent defense at the position and there's plenty of reason to believe that he could be a good bat again. If not, then he's served his purpose by buying us another year of Turang's service when he gets called up and Anderson gets relegated to bench duty or DFA'd.

For one of the cheapest free agents signed this offseason, we have become a better team than we were before the signing. Urias gets to move to his natural position, Adames stays at SS, Anderson/Brosseau man the hot corner with Toro/Miller as the utility IF. We (hopefully) start Mitchell and Frelick in the OF, and now we don't have to start three rookies from day one.

I'm thinking of him as playing some at third, some in left field, and some in right field. He's even seen limited action at second and third.

So, part of me wonders if Anderson isn't the new Jace Peterson.

cf: Mitchell

ss: Adames

lf: Yelich

c: Contreras

dh: Winker

3b: Urias

1b: Tellez

rf: Taylor

2b: Turang

bench: Caratini (C), Anderson (3B/LF/RF/1B), Hiura (1B/LF/2B), Toro (2B/3B/1B)

[monty57]

14 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

So annoying towards manipulating for 7th season. Turang does not scream super star forthcoming. Quite a decent amount here expect him to fall flat on his rookie season and wanted a move like this to push Urias to 2b and less reliant on how the Brewers season would go playing a questionable rookie.  Those doubts come true you know what will happen? He's optioned to minors rolling his service time back Then, rather than holding him down 2weeks.  If he's a stud instead his future control can be dealt with via an extension. 2weeks=Super 2. 4th arb-more money expectations.  Good version of Turang extension solves your problem. Lacking version? More time in minors(like Arcia) and the price value should remain affordable/doable throughout. 

AAAA players going to AAAA

Stars going to extend.

Middle ground like the feel Turang will be, useful and affordable and mindfully on the look out to find better at their position.

I get withholding a minute portion of players til Super 2 is passed. But a vast majority its not making a difference.

This will be Turang's 23-year-old season, so if the team keeps him down a while, they gain control of his 29-year-old season, which for most players is one of their best years. If he's just an average MLB SS, that would be a fairly expensive year on the free agent market.

As I said, I have no problem with him being on the opening day roster as a starter. I just don't want to lose a season of his prime for him to be a 23-year-old utility player getting around 300 PAs (Peterson had 328 last year). To me, that isn't a good trade off. If he's not a starter, then have him start the season in AAA.

As to the extension, you won't find a bigger proponent of early extensions than me. However, many/most players won't sign them at the rate the Brewers would offer, so you can't just expect that the Brewers could just automatically ink an extension if he has a good rookie season. 

Plus, the price of the extension would go down if he has a year of extra "team control." There really is no reason to have him on the opening day roster in a bench role. Give that spot to someone like Toro or Miller.

[monty57]

14 hours ago, clancyphile said:

I'm thinking of him as playing some at third, some in left field, and some in right field. He's even seen limited action at second and third.

So, part of me wonders if Anderson isn't the new Jace Peterson.

cf: Mitchell

ss: Adames

lf: Yelich

c: Contreras

dh: Winker

3b: Urias

1b: Tellez

rf: Taylor

2b: Turang

bench: Caratini (C), Anderson (3B/LF/RF/1B), Hiura (1B/LF/2B), Toro (2B/3B/1B)

A lot comes down to how much the Brewers are going to utilize their MLB-ready prospects. I think the acquisition of Anderson probably means they'll start two rookies instead of three. 

I think Frelick will be up with Turang down. Since Anderson is a 3B who can play some corner OF, and Frelick is considered a better prospect than Turang, I would think that Frelick will be the guy up. Plus, Turang is a natural SS who has spent time at 2B, and Urias is a natural 2B who has been forced to play 3B, so why not just keep the better prospect up and let the players man the positions they're best at (Anderson 3B, Urias 2B, Frelick OF)?

Mitchell, Yelich, Frelick, Taylor as the four OF (Taylor the 4th OF, not a starter)

Tellez (1B), Urias (2B), Adames (SS), Anderson (3B), Contreras (C) as your starting IF.

I still think Hiura should be traded, but if not, then he gets a bench spot along with Caratini and probably Toro/Miller as the utility guys.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

1 hour ago, monty57 said:

A lot comes down to how much the Brewers are going to utilize their MLB-ready prospects. I think the acquisition of Anderson probably means they'll start two rookies instead of three. 

I think Frelick will be up with Turang down. Since Anderson is a 3B who can play some corner OF, and Frelick is considered a better prospect than Turang, I would think that Frelick will be the guy up. Plus, Turang is a natural SS who has spent time at 2B, and Urias is a natural 2B who has been forced to play 3B, so why not just keep the better prospect up and let the players man the positions they're best at (Anderson 3B, Urias 2B, Frelick OF)?

Mitchell, Yelich, Frelick, Taylor as the four OF (Taylor the 4th OF, not a starter)

Tellez (1B), Urias (2B), Adames (SS), Anderson (3B), Contreras (C) as your starting IF.

I still think Hiura should be traded, but if not, then he gets a bench spot along with Caratini and probably Toro/Miller as the utility guys.

If I had to predict the roster today, this is what I would go with as well.  Except likely Brousseau over Toro/Miller.  If they can find a taker for Huira, then Toro/Miller (maybe Turang) would battle for that last spot.

[monty57]

23 minutes ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

If I had to predict the roster today, this is what I would go with as well.  Except likely Brousseau over Toro/Miller.  If they can find a taker for Huira, then Toro/Miller (maybe Turang) would battle for that last spot.

Yes, Brosseau will definitely be on the roster. Can't believe I forgot about him. I think it'll be almost a straight platoon at 3B with Anderson/Brosseau. Both are righties, but Brosseau hits lefties a lot better than Anderson.

[wiguy94]

Nice little article about Brian Anderson ok Fangraphs. Let’s hope the injury bug is behind him because it seems like there’s still a good baseball player there when healthy.

[edfunderburk]

21 hours ago, clancyphile said:

I'm thinking of him as playing some at third, some in left field, and some in right field. He's even seen limited action at second and third.

So, part of me wonders if Anderson isn't the new Jace Peterson.

cf: Mitchell

ss: Adames

lf: Yelich

c: Contreras

dh: Winker

3b: Urias

1b: Tellez

rf: Taylor

2b: Turang

bench: Caratini (C), Anderson (3B/LF/RF/1B), Hiura (1B/LF/2B), Toro (2B/3B/1B)

I believe Owen Miller makes the team over Hiura & possibly Turang out of Spring Training. My hope is Hiura is traded & we save $2M & he gets a fresh start elsewhere. I also believe Anderson is the primary 3B & Urius the starter at 2B initially. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

11 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I believe Owen Miller makes the team over Hiura & possibly Turang out of Spring Training. My hope is Hiura is traded & we save $2M & he gets a fresh start elsewhere. I also believe Anderson is the primary 3B & Urius the starter at 2B initially. 

At this point I also want to see Hiura be traded in part so he gets a legit shot with another team. He’s the type of fringe AAAA guy that could easily turn a corner with consistent playing time and I just don’t see how that will happen in Milwaukee.

[Pugger]

Is this signing official?  If you go to the Brewers' website or mlb.com there is no mention of him coming to to the Crew anywhere.

[wiguy94]

58 minutes ago, Pugger said:

Is this signing official?  If you go to the Brewers' website or mlb.com there is no mention of him coming to to the Crew anywhere.

Still pending physical. The Miley signing was leaked multiple days before it became official

[Redd Vencher]

5 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Still pending physical. The Miley signing was leaked multiple days before it became official

Probably trying to clear a 40 man spot as well.

[markedman5]

Deal is official……Singleton DFA

[patrickgpe]

24 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Deal is official……Singleton DFA

good. never made sense for him to be using a 40 man spot in the first place. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just now, patrickgpe said:

good. never made sense for him to be using a 40 man spot in the first place. 

They must have had some sort of inkling that he might be taken in the Rule 5 draft. Guess we'll see if anyone claims him now.

[damuelle]

30 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Deal is official……Singleton DFA

I’ll take this as a sign that we’re confident in Winker’s full, on-time recovery from knee and neck operations.