2023 Outfield

[wallus]

It seems likely that Yelich, Mitchell and Taylor will be in the outfield for the Crew this season. Assuming we keep 5 outfielders, who else is making the team? Who is starting? I hope to not see Winker play in the outfield much.

[jay87shot]

My guess is that Blake Perkins gets a chance to start the year at the end of the bench. Maybe Toro, Miller, or Huira show enough to be the 4th or 5th OF with Winker around. It is also conceivable Frelich has a big spring training and wins the CF job to start the year. I would guess there will also be a non-roster invitee or 2 we might sign who could have a chance.

[umphrey]

I think by June they are using Yelich Mitchell Taylor Wiemer Frelick. Hard to say how that is going to play out but they are probably hoping to push Taylor to a 4th OF role and realistically at least 1 of the rookies gets kicked back to AAA due to performance and/or injured. Maybe at the deadline they are looking for a veteran rental to use alongside the best rookie. 

[MVP2110]

I agree with the above posters in that I think Perkins and/or a NRI starts the year as the 4th outfielder behind Yelich, Mitchell, & Taylor. I do think we occasionally will see Winker in Left but not very often.

However by the end of May, beginning of June at least 1 of if not both Frelick & Wiemer will be up and getting regular outfield PT. This is also why I believe they haven't signed an outfielder, I don't believe they want to block either of those guys when the time comes, even if that means having to scrape by the first month or two with pretty bad depth 

[sveumrules]

Last year’s games started in the outfield ended up at…

Renfroe (118) Yelich (114) Taylor (103) Cutch (49) Cain (40) Davis (26) Mitchell (19) Jace (11) Keston (4) Esteury (2)

For this year I will go with…

Yelich (121) Frelick (116) Taylor (99) Wiemer (83) Mitchell (53) Winker (9) Perkins (3) Turang (2)

[wallus]

I think we will see Winker and Hiura in the outfield more than any of us want this season. (assuming they don't pick anyone else up). 

Are many of you seeing Frelick making the team out of Spring Training? 

[Brewcrew82]

5 hours ago, wallus said:

I think we will see Winker and Hiura in the outfield more than any of us want this season. (assuming they don't pick anyone else up). 

Are many of you seeing Frelick making the team out of Spring Training? 

If he hits in spring training like he did in AAA, I think he could start on OD like Steven Kwan did for the Guardians last year, who are even more cost-conscious than us. And unlike with Kwan, we have a potential incentive to do so with the ROY draft pick (top 3).

If you put a gun to my head though, and knowing this organization, I would say he’s probably up in mid May like Hiura…

[sveumrules]

Hiura was coming off a 116 wRC+ in AA and couldn’t field.

Frelick has already had success at AAA and can field, potentially well.

Sal is much better positioned to be on the OD roster than Keston was entering 2019.

[Brewcrew82]

18 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Hiura was coming off a 116 wRC+ in AA and couldn’t field.

Frelick has already had success at AAA and can field, potentially well.

Sal is much better positioned to be on the OD roster than Keston was entering 2019.

Agreed. Which is why I said I could definitely see a scenario in which he’s on the OD roster. 

But, gun to my head, I think they’re going to keep him down to gain the extra year of control and will go with Perkins instead.

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Last year’s games started in the outfield ended up at…

Renfroe (118) Yelich (114) Taylor (103) Cutch (49) Cain (40) Davis (26) Mitchell (19) Jace (11) Keston (4) Esteury (2)

For this year I will go with…

Yelich (121) Frelick (116) Taylor (99) Wiemer (83) Mitchell (53) Winker (9) Perkins (3) Turang (2)

How come such a low volume for Mitchell?  Just curious.

[sveumrules]

4 minutes ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said:

How come such a low volume for Mitchell?  Just curious.

Combination of nagging injury history and I have less faith in his bat than Frelick/Wiemer.

[MVP2110]

9 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Last year’s games started in the outfield ended up at…

Renfroe (118) Yelich (114) Taylor (103) Cutch (49) Cain (40) Davis (26) Mitchell (19) Jace (11) Keston (4) Esteury (2)

For this year I will go with…

Yelich (121) Frelick (116) Taylor (99) Wiemer (83) Mitchell (53) Winker (9) Perkins (3) Turang (2)

This is an interesting exercise

I'll go

LF Yelich 120, Winker 30, Taylor 10, Hiura 2

CF Mitchell 85, Taylor 40, Frelick 31, Perkins 5

RF Wiemer 70, Taylor 45, Frelick 45,  Winker 2

Total: Yelich 120, Mitchell 85, Taylor 85, Frelick 76, Wiemer 70, Winker 32, Perkins 5, Hiura 2

[umphrey]

14 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Combination of nagging injury history and I have less faith in his bat than Frelick/Wiemer.

Mitchell is such a wild card to me. One person could look at him and say he is poised to be one of our best all around OF next year. Another could say he’s a nice 4th OF. I’ll be interested to see how he plays and I’m hoping he feels the rookies coming up behind him and hits well enough to demand playing time. 

[wallus]

5 hours ago, umphrey said:

Mitchell is such a wild card to me. One person could look at him and say he is poised to be one of our best all around OF next year. Another could say he’s a nice 4th OF. I’ll be interested to see how he plays and I’m hoping he feels the rookies coming up behind him and hits well enough to demand playing time. 

If you look at him, he has it all. Great size and speed. What I am worried about is health and strikeouts. It may take a while for him to "get it" and we really can't afford that. The good news is that the defense and speed should make him valuable.

[damuelle]

Assuming Wiemer doesn’t get called up until very late in the season, while Yelich deals with injuries and Mitchell gets optioned at least once. Oh, and we convert Toro into a full-fledged utility player, like we did with Mark Mathias:

LF: Yelich (100), Frelick (56), Winker (6)

CF: Mitchell (82), Taylor (46), Frelick (34)

RF: Taylor (72), Mitchell (40), Wiemer (26), Toro (24)

Total: Mitchell 122, Taylor 118, Yelich 100, Frelick 90, Wiemer 26, Toro 24, Winker 6

[brewcrewdue80]

Question. Does Taylor have Options remaining?

[sveumrules]

5 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Question. Does Taylor have Options remaining?

Roster Resource says no.

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Question. Does Taylor have Options remaining?

No he does not.

[brewcrewdue80]

9 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Roster Resource says no.

With his 4 year career 2020 and last year just feels like he should. And browsing he apparently had no options going in to last season. But why? 2019 he played in September to begin his career til game 162. Does he lose an option when he didn't play on postseason team?

Optioned in 2020 and 2021. Last season his time missed was due to concussion protocol and he couldn't be optioned anyway apparently.  Where's his 3rd option in his career? Being called up in 2019? 

[sveumrules]

19 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

With his 4 year career 2020 and last year just feels like he should. And browsing he apparently had no options going in to last season. But why? 2019 he played in September to begin his career til game 162. Does he lose an option when he didn't play on postseason team?

Optioned in 2020 and 2021. Last season his time missed was due to concussion protocol and he couldn't be optioned anyway apparently.  Where's his 3rd option in his career? Being called up in 2019? 

According to the transaction log on TT’s MiLB page he was optioned in each of 2019, 2020 and 2021.

[brewcrewdue80]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

According to the transaction log on TT’s MiLB page he was optioned in each of 2019, 2020 and 2021.

Ok taken from his milb page.

March 13, 2019

Milwaukee Brewers optioned CF Tyrone Taylor to San Antonio Missions.

 

October 29, 2018

Milwaukee Brewers selected the contract of Tyrone Taylor from San Antonio Missions

 

They used an option during an offseason?  Feels like Rule 5 protection? Then required an option to not be on the Opening day roster?  

I guess.  It's kinda odd how much value he's getting when he caries a below .240BA and Below .300 OB bat. Fangraphs suggests he was worth $16.6M last season. And $10.5M the season before.  Just no way a team would pay 2/27m for him in FA.

Anyway, I started this because if he had an option I would question if he was on Opening Day roster.

Blake Perkins and options, Mitchell and Frelich needing to play a full season of games, Yelich/Winker; I just feel he needs to be odd man out. Traded. Read above question Mitchell maintaining a bat profile to stick and here sits Taylor sticking on the team what must be Mitchell's floor. Mitchell has options if he's having a bad season and that's where Perkins comes in to cover.(if Wiemer isn't an option)

 

[wiguy94]

32 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Ok taken from his milb page.

March 13, 2019

Milwaukee Brewers optioned CF Tyrone Taylor to San Antonio Missions.

 

October 29, 2018

Milwaukee Brewers selected the contract of Tyrone Taylor from San Antonio Missions

 

They used an option during an offseason?  Feels like Rule 5 protection? Then required an option to not be on the Opening day roster?  

I guess.  It's kinda odd how much value he's getting when he caries a below .240BA and Below .300 OB bat. Fangraphs suggests he was worth $16.6M last season. And $10.5M the season before.  Just no way a team would pay 2/27m for him in FA.

Anyway, I started this because if he had an option I would question if he was on Opening Day roster.

Blake Perkins and options, Mitchell and Frelich needing to play a full season of games, Yelich/Winker; I just feel he needs to be odd man out. Traded. Read above question Mitchell maintaining a bat profile to stick and here sits Taylor sticking on the team what must be Mitchell's floor. Mitchell has options if he's having a bad season and that's where Perkins comes in to cover.(if Wiemer isn't an option)

 

That’s just the amount of WAR he put up translated to a roughly $8m/WAR multiplier to calculate his value.  That’s nothing to do with what he would get paid in FA.

[Robocaller]

On 1/15/2023 at 10:47 PM, wallus said:

It seems likely that Yelich, Mitchell and Taylor will be in the outfield for the Crew this season. Assuming we keep 5 outfielders, who else is making the team? Who is starting? I hope to not see Winker play in the outfield much.

Winker will be the 5th OF, like McCutchen was. Frelick will probably be on the OD lineup, but will be sooner rather than later, barring injury. Mitchell, Taylor, and Frelick will probably get similar ABs--450-500. Wiemer might be called up mid-season if he's raking, and they might move Taylor for spare parts at that time, or Wiemer might be brought up to fill in behind an injury or overall suckiness from some player.

 

[Robocaller]

3 hours ago, damuelle said:

Assuming Wiemer doesn’t get called up until very late in the season, while Yelich deals with injuries and Mitchell gets optioned at least once. Oh, and we convert Toro into a full-fledged utility player, like we did with Mark Mathias:

LF: Yelich (100), Frelick (56), Winker (6)

CF: Mitchell (82), Taylor (46), Frelick (34)

RF: Taylor (72), Mitchell (40), Wiemer (26), Toro (24)

Total: Mitchell 122, Taylor 118, Yelich 100, Frelick 90, Wiemer 26, Toro 24, Winker 6

Are you figuring Frelick will be brought up in June? Because if he's up for the full year, 90 starts seems way too few. And if Yelich is only playing 100 games in the field, that means that Winker is going to play a lot more in the field, or you're predicting he'll get dumped sometime during the season. 

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Ok taken from his milb page.

March 13, 2019

Milwaukee Brewers optioned CF Tyrone Taylor to San Antonio Missions.

October 29, 2018

Milwaukee Brewers selected the contract of Tyrone Taylor from San Antonio Missions

They used an option during an offseason?  Feels like Rule 5 protection? Then required an option to not be on the Opening day roster?  

I guess.  It's kinda odd how much value he's getting when he caries a below .240BA and Below .300 OB bat.

Oct 29 2018 was when he was added to the 40 Man to protect from Rule 5. No option used.

Since he was now on the 40 Man, his first option was then used on Mar 13 2019 when he was assigned to AAA.

Taylor doesn’t get his value from BA/OBP. He gets it mostly from defense…

Among 114 OF with at least 1,000 innings since 2020 he is at +14 DRS (23rd), +7.5 UZR (20th) and +11 OAA (19th).

& power with his 131 ISO+ clocking in at 53rd among 260 batters with at least 700 PA since 2020.