Frelick in 2023 NL ROY Discussion, per MLB Execs

[Brewcrew82]

MLB.com recently polled front office officials from around the league--including GMs, scouting directors, etc.--on who they expect to be the primary contenders for ROY this coming season. Corbin Carroll and Francisco Alvarez were the most popular selections in the NL, and for good reason, considering that they're both consensus top 5 prospects in the game.

However, also receiving votes and included in the discussion was none other than Sal Frelick. I know that we as fans tend to overhype our team's prospects, but it's nevertheless reassuring to see that actual MLB execs think that highly of Frelick. I see no reason why he couldn't provide a Steven Kwan-like spark at the top of this lineup alongside Yelich, with his elite hit tool (perhaps the best in the entire minors). And, of course, there's the fact that, should he finish high enough in the eventual ROY vote, the Brewers would be entitled to draft pick compensation so long as he's on the opening day roster...

https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-rookie-of-the-year-mlb-front-office-selections?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

[wiguy94]

20 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

MLB.com recently polled front office officials from around the league--including GMs, scouting directors, etc.--on who they expect to be the primary contenders for ROY this coming season. Corbin Carroll and Francisco Alvarez were the most popular selections in the NL, and for good reason, considering that they're both consensus top 5 prospects in the game.

However, also receiving votes and included in the discussion was none other than Sal Frelick. I know that we as fans tend to overhype our team's prospects, but it's nevertheless reassuring to see that actual MLB execs think that highly of Frelick. I see no reason why he couldn't provide a Steven Kwan-like spark at the top of this lineup alongside Yelich, with his elite hit tool (perhaps the best in the entire minors). And, of course, there's the fact that, should he finish high enough in the eventual ROY vote, the Brewers would be entitled to draft pick compensation so long as he's on the opening day roster...

https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-rookie-of-the-year-mlb-front-office-selections?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

Were execs allowed to vote for their own players? I feel like in these polls they usually aren’t but the article didn’t say from what I saw. 

[Jake McKibbin]

Always interesting to look down the list

 

I'm surprised Jordan Walker didnt get more of the vote with his potential but Carroll is clear front runner in the NL, he looked really really promising at the end of last year. I dont think Alvarez will be as high up due to his lack of catching ability

Also didnt think Elly de la cruz was as high given he's currently never played above AA, and Reds will almost certainly be attempting to avoid super 2

[Robocaller]

He doesn't have to be on the O.D. roster, but needs to have, iirc 172 days on the ML roster. He can spend a couple weeks in the minors and still do that.

 

[Sweaty]

4 hours ago, Robocaller said:

He doesn't have to be on the O.D. roster, but needs to have, iirc 172 days on the ML roster. He can spend a couple weeks in the minors and still do that.

 

There isn't any sort of minimum time to qualify for ROY.  172 days is what is considered a full year in service time, even though the MLB season runs about 180 days.  The Super Two deadline is estimated to be about 118 days.  So he'll have to be in AAA for about two months to avoid Super Two.

[Brock Beauchamp]

If Frelick hits the ground running, it changes the entire dynamic of this lineup.

But I'm also incredibly guarded about prospect optimism so I will continue to count on him looking like a typical rookie until shown otherwise.

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, Sweaty said:

There isn't any sort of minimum time to qualify for ROY.  172 days is what is considered a full year in service time, even though the MLB season runs about 180 days.  The Super Two deadline is estimated to be about 118 days.  So he'll have to be in AAA for about two months to avoid Super Two.

I believe Robo was talking about the amount of time needed to be eligible for the draft pick award not about Super Two or service manipulation.

[Robocaller]

15 hours ago, Sweaty said:

There isn't any sort of minimum time to qualify for ROY.  172 days is what is considered a full year in service time, even though the MLB season runs about 180 days.  The Super Two deadline is estimated to be about 118 days.  So he'll have to be in AAA for about two months to avoid Super Two.

there's a clause in the new rule for getting a draft pick that the guy needs to be on a ML roster for 172 days. There are 186 calendar days.

 

[brewcrewdue80]

11 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

there's a clause in the new rule for getting a draft pick that the guy needs to be on a ML roster for 172 days. There are 186 calendar days.

 

Is that true? I thought it was had to be on Opening day roster?  I guess it could just be assumed that if youre playing you top 100 prospect 172days(full season) why wouldn't you start from opening day? Also I feel like it's 182-184 calendar days based on teams calling up guys like Bryant by game 10 while earning the 7th year team control.

 

[Robocaller]

11 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Is that true?

 

Ob-vee-usly.

 

[rickh150]

Not good enough to hit DH or play some OF for us late last year, though. Keep him in the minors.  I think he got the shaft big time last year when he wasn’t called up and Mitchell was. If he is so good now, what changed between this fall and January? From not good enough to get called up to ROY candidate? Just ticks me off…  I think we were in a playoff race too and would have benefited from a good bat I’m fairly sure. 

[wiguy94]

21 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Not good enough to hit DH or play some OF for us late last year, though. Keep him in the minors.  I think he got the shaft big time last year when he wasn’t called up and Mitchell was. If he is so good now, what changed between this fall and January? From not good enough to get called up to ROY candidate? Just ticks me off…  I think we were in a playoff race too and would have benefited from a good bat I’m fairly sure. 

I don’t really understand this gripe. Mitchell had a 136 wRC+ (with some BABIP luck). Even if we called up Frelick instead of Mitchell it’s not even close to a guarantee that he tops the number Mitchell put up. 

[rickh150]

26 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I don’t really understand this gripe. Mitchell had a 136 wRC+ (with some BABIP luck). Even if we called up Frelick instead of Mitchell it’s not even close to a guarantee that he tops the number Mitchell put up. 

Actually it’s 0 percent that Frelick’s numbers would be better than Mitchell’s…. Can’t show what he can do when he doesn’t get a chance. And the opportunity was there for him to get at bats at DH or OF, even WITH Mitchell up. Cutch played in an insane amount of games and inexcusably played against right handed pitching late in the season. Others could have sat an extra day or two a week too. 
 

Again, I think it be crazy to have many talk so highly about him in January when in September he coulda shoulda been up when our hitting in general, OF hitting, and DH hitters especially, were suspect. 

 

 

 

 

[wiguy94]

9 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Actually it’s 0 percent that Frelick’s numbers would be better than Mitchell’s…. Can’t show what he can do when he doesn’t get a chance. And the opportunity was there for him to get at bats at DH or OF, even WITH Mitchell up. Cutch played in an insane amount of games and inexcusably played against right handed pitching late in the season. Others could have sat an extra day or two a week too. 
 

Again, I think it be crazy to have many talk so highly about him in January when in September he coulda shoulda been up when our hitting in general, OF hitting, and DH hitters especially, were suspect. 

 

 

 

 

These were our 14 position players on the roster in September. 
 

C - Narvaez, Caratini

1B - Tellez, Hiura

2B - Wong, Brosseau

3B - Urias, Jace 

SS - Adames

LF - Yelich 

CF - Taylor, Mitchell

RF - Renfroe 

DH - Cutch 

Not sure what roster move you are suggesting they do. DFA Cutch?

 

Frelick had played 1.5 years of professional baseball and wasn’t a part of big league camp last spring like Mitchell was so he had never been around the rest of the team. There are plenty of plausible and logical reasons that he wasn’t called up. 

[rickh150]

14 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

These were our 14 position players on the roster in September. 
 

C - Narvaez, Caratini

1B - Tellez, Hiura

2B - Wong, Brosseau

3B - Urias, Jace 

SS - Adames

LF - Yelich 

CF - Taylor, Mitchell

RF - Renfroe 

DH - Cutch 

Not sure what roster move you are suggesting they do. DFA Cutch?

 

Frelick had played 1.5 years of professional baseball and wasn’t a part of big league camp last spring like Mitchell was so he had never been around the rest of the team. There are plenty of plausible and logical reasons that he wasn’t called up. 

Yep, get rid of Cutch.  Sure, good call.  We gladly aren't resigning him this year.  Why, again?  Don't call up Mitchell.  It surprised everyone that this happened, remember?  Call up the perceived better talent and bat.  If they weren't going to play Hiura regularly (and they rarely did last year), get him out of there so a ROY candidate in 2023 can hit while he's hot in 2022.   Or carry 15 postion players and 13 pitchers.  The limit was 14 pitchers in September, not 14 hitters. 

Man, tons of options!  I don't know why they wouldn't at least give him a shot while the offense struggled.  Let the perceived great talent play.

Lots of options.

[Jake McKibbin]

12 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Yep, get rid of Cutch.  Sure, good call.  We gladly aren't resigning him this year.  Why, again?  Don't call up Mitchell.  It surprised everyone that this happened, remember?  Call up the perceived better talent and bat.  If they weren't going to play Hiura regularly (and they rarely did last year), get him out of there so a ROY candidate in 2023 can hit while he's hot in 2022.   Or carry 15 postion players and 13 pitchers.  The limit was 14 pitchers in September, not 14 hitters. 

Man, tons of options!  I don't know why they wouldn't at least give him a shot while the offense struggled.  Let the perceived great talent play.

Lots of options.

 

In fairness, there's been a bit more discrepancy in the reports about Frelicks defense, and Mitchell, barr one play, looked really really acomplished out there. At least with him there was a floor, plus although I think he's risky and unlikely to be as good as Frelick, h does provide a certain buzz with his speed, defense, and some clutch moments. Like I'm never quite sure what'll happen in his AB

[markedman5]

From McCalvy 

• Outfield prospect Sal Frelick (No. 2) expects to begin the season in the Minor Leagues. He said, “I would like to say, start out at Triple-A and then I have my own destiny. If I play well, I’ll get a call at some point. But that’s not up to me. I have control of my playing ability, and that’s all