Week 18: Detroit Lions @ Green Bay Packers - Sunday January 8, 7:20 PM CT on NBC

[adambr2]

Looking at the Walker ejection play again, Wyatt is lucky he didn't get tossed too. You can see him at the tail end deliberately make his way over to the trainer to intimidate/bump him. These are the guys we spent both our 1sts on last year. Good job, Gute.

 

 

[MrTPlush]

8 hours ago, LouisEly said:

The Quay Walker incident... I get that the rules are the rules, but the officials need to review those incidents on replay like the NBA does before determining who get what fouls.  The Lions trainer/coached pushed him first, and he responded with a push that wasn't very hard - if Walker shoved him with any effort he would have launched him off of his feet.  The Lions should have been the ones assessed an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

I feel like you are looking at that incident in way too much of a Packers bias way. If you are calling what the trainer did as pushing him, then Quay did launch that guy off his feet. The trainer was just trying to get around him and in front of him....because, well, Quay had no business or need to be that close. I was going to give him a slight pass as maybe he didn't know it wasn't a player and it was a bit reactionary, but he cleared looked and saw exactly who he was pushing around. 

Would you defend a player if they shoved every time a ref grabs them or pushes them away from somewhere they don't need to be? Because I don't see any difference and I can't imagine that wouldn't draw a flag either. 

And I am pretty sure they did review the clip and the refs upstairs scrambled to get him ejected like he deserved. I can't recall anyone ever touching a training staff member...let alone pushing them. The fact he did it a week after a guy had to be brought back to life on the field thanks in part to the guys on a training staff was the cherry on the top to one of the dumbest things anyone has seen all year. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Walker is clearly the most egregious offender and was correctly tossed. However I do think the trainer was engaging in a bit of gamesmanship. Wouldn't be at all surprised if that was a strategic love tap knowing that it would get under Walker's skin. I'm sure all opponents are well aware of his short fuse and there is definitely precedent for trainers to be "part of the game plan." There is definitely a distinction between team doctors and team trainers.

Wyatt, meh. They were both getting aggressive with each other at that point and he brushed up against the trainer. I think stretching it as far to say they're bad draft picks is, yeah, a stretch.

[yourout]

Walker better get it under control next year or he's going to take up the mantle of Vontez Burfict and be known as the chief goon in the NFL.

[adambr2]

It was unnecessary and unprofessional from the trainer, yes, he could have run right past Walker who wasn't even really in the way. 

Regardless, that's where you have to be disciplined enough not to do something like that with so much on the line. It was an egregious and undisciplined move from an undisciplined and poorly run team. 

[homer]

the trainer did nothing wrong 

[adambr2]

Yeah...frankly, Quay Walker is a dirt bag and we should stop trying to defend him. 

https://twitter.com/RNBWCV/status/1586893379874463751?s=20&t=8-pjvYyK8rsDk8HsO4k22w

[CheezWizHed]

46 minutes ago, homer said:

the trainer did nothing wrong 

Agreed.  He wasn't baiting Walker or anything silly like that.  He was telling an opposing team player to back away.  It isn't like the trainer knew Walker was a friend of Swift...but even if he did, Walker has no business being in an injury huddle like that.

Walker clearly has some emotional intelligence issues and I hope the team works with him this offseason to get his hot-headedness under control.  Now that it is on tape twice this year, I guarantee that other teams will be baiting him next year. 

[homer]

3 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Agreed.  He wasn't baiting Walker or anything silly like that.  He was telling an opposing team player to back away.  It isn't like the trainer knew Walker was a friend of Swift...but even if he did, Walker has no business being in an injury huddle like that.

Walker clearly has some emotional intelligence issues and I hope the team works with him this offseason to get his hot-headedness under control.  Now that it is on tape twice this year, I guarantee that other teams will be baiting him next year. 

As long as it's players doing the baiting and not coaches or training staff he should be fine :)

 

[homer]

 

 

[adambr2]

I guess that's all he can do right now. His career isn't over. But it will be before he knows it if he can't clean it up. 

[MrTPlush]

He has a few mega idiotic things on his record now...but no need to make it more than it is. He isn't stomping on people nor is he trying to decapitate defenseless receivers. He is far from the only guy in football that does really dumb stuff to draw 15 yard flags...he just found a unique and new way to be dumb by shoving people that aren't even players. 

Pretty poor timing with what happened last week, but then again, the Steelers did a CPR celebration this week. Stupidity runs rampant in the NFL. I mean people think it is funny Jamaal Williams can't even form a coherent sentence. Expecting NFL players to be smart is really asking for a lot. 

[CheezWizHed]

Did anyone else get a weird vibe about Doubs lately?   For one, he barely played against both the Vikings and Lions.  Seeing Toure over Doubs was a bit of a red flag.  The one target he got against the Lions was a pretty difficult catch and got a major grumpy man glare from Rodgers. (Yes, it was a beautiful throw that hit him in the hands, but if the DB has his eyes completely blocked, how does he see it to catch it?). 

 

[bjkrautk]

46 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Did anyone else get a weird vibe about Doubs lately?   For one, he barely played against both the Vikings and Lions.  Seeing Toure over Doubs was a bit of a red flag.  The one target he got against the Lions was a pretty difficult catch and got a major grumpy man glare from Rodgers. (Yes, it was a beautiful throw that hit him in the hands, but if the DB has his eyes completely blocked, how does he see it to catch it?). 

 

 

I seem to recall two targets, though the other one was a low throw that Doubs also couldn't hold on to.  After Watson came back, Doubs never seemed to get back in-sync with Rodgers; how much effect each of their respective injuries had on that front is the question none of us can answer.

Was at the game yesterday evening, and I would be lying to say I saw this performance coming.  The team which found a way to overcome and win with their back against the wall the last few weeks....looked like the team that couldn't get out of its own way in the mid-season losses which left them behind the 8-ball.

 

...if Aaron believes his thumb was the reason he was late / off-the-mark on his deep balls, the Packers have given him $60 million reasons to come back.  If he doesn't think he can still complete those throws in Lambeau in January....then it's time.

[Fear The Chorizo]

5 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Agreed.  He wasn't baiting Walker or anything silly like that.  He was telling an opposing team player to back away.  It isn't like the trainer knew Walker was a friend of Swift...but even if he did, Walker has no business being in an injury huddle like that.

Walker clearly has some emotional intelligence issues and I hope the team works with him this offseason to get his hot-headedness under control.  Now that it is on tape twice this year, I guarantee that other teams will be baiting him next year. 

there was no history of this with Walker in college or any hint of hotheadedness leading up to the draft.  From his scouting report:

"He plays disciplined, team-oriented football....." 

Quotes and tweets from Walker today indicate he's been busy apologizing to all parties involved since the time the game ended last night, including apologizing to the member of the medical staff he pushed over the phone.  He's not shying away from the scrutiny he's getting and he's owning the fact he needs to eliminate these emotional outbursts for the sake of the team he plays for and for his own career trajectory.  Hoping he matures, learns from these mistakes, and continues developing as a player - the physical gifts are absolutely there for him to be a very good MLB at the NFL level, but he's got to get his emotions in check to realize his potential.

[adambr2]

I realize that everyone makes mistakes and all that but any dude who gets ejected twice in a season for shoving opposing training staff clearly has some emotional/anger issues that probably will be a problem unless he gets professional intervention.

Team better encourage him to get that help before these incidents escalate to domestic violence or related behavior.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think it would be a stretch to say the trainer did something wrong. All I know is that I wouldn't put my hands on an NFL player in almost any circumstance. 

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

there was no history of this with Walker in college or any hint of hotheadedness leading up to the draft.  From his scouting report:

"He plays disciplined, team-oriented football....." 

Quotes and tweets from Walker today indicate he's been busy apologizing to all parties involved since the time the game ended last night, including apologizing to the member of the medical staff he pushed over the phone.  He's not shying away from the scrutiny he's getting and he's owning the fact he needs to eliminate these emotional outbursts for the sake of the team he plays for and for his own career trajectory.  Hoping he matures, learns from these mistakes, and continues developing as a player - the physical gifts are absolutely there for him to be a very good MLB at the NFL level, but he's got to get his emotions in check to realize his potential.

Yes, totally agree with this.  He responded well and frankly, I could tell he was mad at himself in the tunnel and not mad at the ref.

FYI, "emotional intelligence" is simply a measure of how people understand their actions/emotions and their effect on other people.  It ties heavily into the ability to control your emotions.  It is a common business topic and as a manager, I've had several classes about it.  Not saying that you (FTC or anyone else) doesn't know this... I know it isn't a term used here often (ever?), so I thought I define it just in case. 

[homer]

13 hours ago, homer said:

the trainer did nothing wrong 

excuse me, the TEAM DOCTOR did nothing wrong.