Move Adames to third & other topics

[Under the Roof]

if Turang is considered ready with the bat, why wouldn’t the Brewers move Adamas to third.  This would allow Turang to play his natural position and frankly be more comfortable, which also ought to help his bat.  This seems like a very “Brewers like” move.

Other topics 

I believe the banning of the shift will really help Yellich.  It seems the number of hard hit balls by Yellich to short center will change from 4-3 outs from short right-center into base hits.

Catcher- I would like to see the team bring back Omar Narviez  and pair him with Feliciano.  I think Narviez’s OPS will jump with the ban of the shift for the same reason as Yellich, and believe the staff respects his defensive and pitch calling abilities.

With some reinvestment in the pen, combined with a May call up of Frelich and a deal for a veteran or two at the deadline and the Brewers have a shot at making a significant impact in the ‘23 playoffs.

[Robocaller]

Can . . . We . . . Stop?  There has been no talk from the Brewers or Adames about moving to third, and IMO, it's something that shouldn't be considered until we're sure that Turang can actually hit ML pitching.

Adames is a + defender at short. You don't jerk him around.

 

[DR28]

1 hour ago, Robocaller said:

Can . . . We . . . Stop?  There has been no talk from the Brewers or Adames about moving to third, and IMO, it's something that shouldn't be considered until we're sure that Turang can actually hit ML pitching.

Adames is a + defender at short. You don't jerk him around.

 

Thank you!

[MrTPlush]

If Turang can’t figure out how to play 2B comfortably after 400 innings in the minors and being a plus SS…the dude will never figure out how to hit MLB pitching and there is no need to worry.

 

[brooks_quichenick]

1 minute ago, MrTPlush said:

If Turang can’t figure out how to play 2B comfortably after 400 innings in the minors and being a plus SS…the dude will never figure out how to hit MLB pitching and there is no need to worry.

 

I don't think Turang figuring out how to play 2B matters much in this scenario. It's more a question of "would Adames at 3B, Turang at SS, and Urias at 2B give us the best chance to win with our everyday lineup?"

[UpandIn]

I REALLY doubt get why this is met with such resistance. 

It makes a ton of sense. With the shift, the 3B is going to have to cover more ground this year, the SS is going to have to line up-up the middle. You'll ALSO need an athletic 2B, but Urias profiles best there. 

The best defensive makeup to me is Adames at 3B, Turang at SS, Urias at 2B.

So what's the problem? Adames will lose value? This suggests MLB teams are stupid. Adames would still play SS, teams aren't going to just forget in a year that he can play SS. If anything, his value goes up having shown the ability to play both positions. 

I wouldn't do it for Turang or helping him with his bat. I don't think that'll matter much. I'd do it because I think it'd make our defense better and give us a better chance to win and it makes sense. 

 

Finally, what difference does it make if there's been any talk from the Brewers or Adames about this? That's not something they'd likely share publicly, but moreover, it's a suggestion on a forum being put forward. This gets chalked up to the "Player X must not be good if X team didn't want him," type of logic. The question is does it make sense, not should we start a petition to get the Brewers to shift Adames over, just would that make sense. The answer is obviously...YES. He's got a huge arm, and you can more from him and Turang on the left side rather than Urias or Brosseau at 3B on a regular basis(though, there would be games where you'd start Brosseau at 3B with Adames and Urias at 2B vs good lefties). 

[wntrtxn21]

31 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

I don't think Turang figuring out how to play 2B matters much in this scenario. It's more a question of "would Adames at 3B, Turang at SS, and Urias at 2B give us the best chance to win with our everyday lineup?"

Why wouldn't the Brewers do the most obvious thing?  If those are the three guys who are going to start, leave Adames at his natural position, shortstop where he was a plus defender. Put Turang at 2B, and let Urias play 3B where he was also a plus defender last year. 

[UpandIn]

3 hours ago, Robocaller said:

Can . . . We . . . Stop?  There has been no talk from the Brewers or Adames about moving to third, and IMO, it's something that shouldn't be considered until we're sure that Turang can actually hit ML pitching.

Adames is a + defender at short. You don't jerk him around.

 

Again, who cares if the Brewers are talking about it? The OP posed a question(and the Brewers don't run this stuff by us). This whole message board concept, it's to debate hypotheticals. 

Second, if Turang comes up and hits .270/.350/.400, then are we allowed to talk about this suggestion?

This being "sure" a guy can hit MLB pitching...you're never SURE until they actually do. We're likely giving Turang the 2B job, right? So we seem sure enough. So what is the problem then? Adames might forget how to play 30 feet to his left?

[UpandIn]

4 minutes ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Why wouldn't the Brewers do the most obvious thing?  If those are the three guys who are going to start, leave Adames at his natural position, shortstop where he was a plus defender. Put Turang at 2B, and let Urias play 3B where he was also a plus defender last year. 

Because he's better at 2B.

-1 OAA at 3B. +4 at 2B

Adames clearly has the physical attributes to be an elite 3B as well as an elite SS. 

All scouting reports and internal comments suggest Turang is an elite defender at SS...though, he doesn't have the arm strength that Adames has. 

So two plus SS's. Play the one with the bigger arm at 3B, the young prospect who's your future SS at SS. And the guy who's beter at 2B than at 3B at...2B. 

Not sure this is the "most obvious thing," personally. 

[Hopper]

16 minutes ago, wntrtxn21 said:

...and let Urias play 3B where he was also a plus defender last year. 

He was?

Not according to this poster's eye test he wasn't.

[Robocaller]

2 hours ago, UpandIn said:

 Second, if Turang comes up and hits .270/.350/.400, then are we allowed to talk about this suggestion?

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Yes. After 2023.

This being "sure" a guy can hit MLB pitching...you're never SURE until they actually do. We're likely giving Turang the 2B job, right? So we seem sure enough. So what is the problem then? Adames might forget how to play 30 feet to his left?

No, two things.

1) If Turang can't hack it, then we have Urias, Toro and Brosseau and anyone else we might acquire to cover 2B and 3B. 

2) You don't favor the new, unproven guy over the established high producer. This is personnel management 101 stuff. You guys are driving me crazy. Have you ever been a supervisor?

 

[Robocaller]

2 hours ago, Hopper said:

He was?

Not according to this poster's eye test he wasn't.

Maybe you need better eyes? It depends on which defensive stats you use; some like Urias at 3B and some don't.

 

[Robocaller]

2 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Because he's better at 2B.

-1 OAA at 3B. +4 at 2B

Adames clearly has the physical attributes to be an elite 3B as well as an elite SS. 

All scouting reports and internal comments suggest Turang is an elite defender at SS...though, he doesn't have the arm strength that Adames has. 

So two plus SS's. Play the one with the bigger arm at 3B, the young prospect who's your future SS at SS. And the guy who's beter at 2B than at 3B at...2B. 

Not sure this is the "most obvious thing," personally. 

Turang's arm is rated 55. https://www.prospectslive.com/scoutingreports/brice-turang

Adames arm is rated  60.

https://www.draysbay.com/2018/4/26/16665020/tampa-bay-rays-top-prospects-2018-willy-adames

Both of them have a good enough arm to play 3B.  BTW, Urias's arm is also rated 55. And it depends on which stat you look at whether he's better at 2B or 3B; stats suggest he shouldn't play SS.

 

 

[DoubleSwitch]

The players aren't just entries in a spreadsheet. They are people who are hopefully partners, but at least willing participants, in whatever strategy you are trying to implement. It's not smart to improve your infield defense by 5% if it means disrespecting a core player and probably costing him money. The players don't like that, and they don't like seeing it happen to a teammate either. You don't address any of that.

[MrTPlush]

Just because he has a stronger arm doesn’t mean he would be good at 3B….or the fact he is a good SS. That extra few feet is a nightmare for some…especially if you aren’t used to it.

If think it is a lot of jostling guys around for very little potential gain, that actually is probably making the defense worse…not better.

[MrTPlush]

8 hours ago, UpandIn said:

I wouldn't do it for Turang or helping him with his bat. I don't think that'll matter much. I'd do it because I think it'd make our defense better and give us a better chance to win and it makes sense. 

You first paragraph says otherwise. Either that or you were trying to fluff up your word count for your English paper.

[jay87shot]

Adames was a near gold glove calibar defender, I wouldn't move him as tempting as it is. If Turang is a plus SS he should be plus plus at 2B. If that is the case it will only add to his value especially with shifts banned it will be nice to have a 2B with more range and arm strength. By next offseason it should be clearer on the Burnes, Woody, Adames extension future and make this argument easier.

[Axman59]

13 hours ago, Under the Roof said:

 

if Turang is considered ready with the bat, why wouldn’t the Brewers move Adamas to third.  This would allow Turang to play his natural position and frankly be more comfortable, which also ought to help his bat.  This seems like a very “Brewers like” move.

 

Why would you want to move Adames, the Brewers best position player, off his natural position when there is a huge hole for Turang to fill at 2B with the departure of Wong? Your solution is in search of problem that doesn't exist.

[brooks_quichenick]

Not sure why this is such an outrageous suggestion to some. Our best defensive alignment might have Willy playing 3B with Turang at SS and Urias at 2B. The weak link here defensively is Urias. He's a much better 2B than 3B/SS, so if it makes our defense much better overall to have him at 2B, why shouldn't it be considered as a potential option?

[DR28]

Just now, brooks_quichenick said:

Not sure why this is such an outrageous suggestion to some. Our best defensive alignment might have Willy playing 3B with Turang at SS and Urias at 2B. The weak link here defensively is Urias. He's a much better 2B than 3B/SS, so if it makes our defense much better overall to have him at 2B, why shouldn't it be considered as a potential option?

Because it hasnt even been discussed with Adames... There's no reason to move him, he's a + defender at SS.

[brooks_quichenick]

2 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Because it hasnt even been discussed with Adames... There's no reason to move him, he's a + defender at SS.

You really have no clue if it's been discussed with Adames. Regardless, this is a message board - speculation is what we do.

IMO, Willy has the potential to also be a plus 3B, while I don't really see Turang having the build for that. If Willy was open to it, this might make a ton of sense.

[DR28]

42 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

You really have no clue if it's been discussed with Adames. Regardless, this is a message board - speculation is what we do.

IMO, Willy has the potential to also be a plus 3B, while I don't really see Turang having the build for that. If Willy was open to it, this might make a ton of sense.

And you really have no clue that Willy would be ok with it... Doesnt matter Willy is our 2023 SS.

[brooks_quichenick]

11 minutes ago, DR28 said:

And you really have no clue that Willy would be ok with it... Doesnt matter Willy is our 2023 SS.

Which is exactly why I said "If Willy was open to it..."

Sorry to have offended you by speculating on the Brewers 2023 defensive alignment on a Brewers fan message board.

[UpandIn]

On 12/6/2022 at 6:43 AM, MrTPlush said:

You first paragraph says otherwise. Either that or you were trying to fluff up your word count for your English paper.

Where does my first paragraph suggest I'd do this so Turang would...hit better? It's amazing in those English papers you've read, you still didn't catch that the ENTIRE point would be to help the defense. 

 

On 12/6/2022 at 6:41 AM, MrTPlush said:

Just because he has a stronger arm doesn’t mean he would be good at 3B….or the fact he is a good SS. That extra few feet is a nightmare for some…especially if you aren’t used to it.

Yeah, but it really does. If you can play SS and you have a strong arm, it pretty much always means you'll be able to play 3B at a high level. 

But who are the great defensive SS's who've moved to 3B that this has been a "nightmare" for?

 

[MrTPlush]

6 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

Where does my first paragraph suggest I'd do this so Turang would...hit better? It's amazing in those English papers you've read, you still didn't catch that the ENTIRE point would be to help the defense. 

 

Yeah, but it really does. If you can play SS and you have a strong arm, it pretty much always means you'll be able to play 3B at a high level. 

But who are the great defensive SS's who've moved to 3B that this has been a "nightmare" for?

 

Sorry, you were defending the OP like your life depended on it so bad I mistook you for the OP since the OP never responded to anyone and you were the only one vouching for the debate at hand.

my bad.