Article: Brewers Add Four Players to 40-Man Roster

[damuelle]

Two more comments on the Singleton selection:

• Somewhat similarly, we curiously signed 30-year old RHP Deolis Guerra to the active roster on October 18, 2019, even though we’d kept him in AAA that entire season (save for 2/3s of an inning in MLB). And then we DFA’d him by January 30, 2020. As such, I don’t consider the selection of Singleton as a guarantee of an Opening Day 2023 roster spot. Perhaps he’s a placeholder that we want to keep on hand whilst we figure out what other moves to make offensively.
• From July 27 through August 26 last year, OF Jonathan Davis was active for 26 MLB games, registering just 16 plate appearances in that time. To me, this goes to show how the 13th bat on MLB rosters can essentially just be a stashed player, especially with the designated hitter materially reducing the number of pinch hitters that get used. So would we rather stash a player like Mario Feliciano as the 13th MLB bat, rarely playing him but preserving his last minor league option OR use that spot for a guy like Jon Singleton who had the highest walk rate (20.1% of PAs) in the 20-team International League last year and can also hit dingers?

[jerichoholicninja]

I highly doubt both Singleton and Tellez are on the opening day roster. This is most likely just insurance in case they find a deal for Tellez or he gets hurt in ST. Is it a good use of a 40 man spot? I don't know.

[jerichoholicninja]

I highly doubt both Singleton and Tellez are on the opening day roster. This is most likely just insurance in case they find a deal for Tellez or he gets hurt in ST. Is it a good use of a 40 man spot? I don't know.

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 hours ago, markedman5 said:

It could also mean Hiura will be traded or non tendered.

just throwing it out there……..

I think they'd LOVE to find a taker for Hiura.

As to Singleton, for me this whole thing hinges on Devanney. If someone plucks him I'll be ticked. My guess is he won't be picked but it sure isn't a slam dunk. And I think he's more likely to get taken than Singleton would've been. We'll see.

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 hours ago, markedman5 said:

It could also mean Hiura will be traded or non tendered.

just throwing it out there……..

I think they'd LOVE to find a taker for Hiura.

As to Singleton, for me this whole thing hinges on Devanney. If someone plucks him I'll be ticked. My guess is he won't be picked but it sure isn't a slam dunk. And I think he's more likely to get taken than Singleton would've been. We'll see.

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 hours ago, Lathund said:

 Not really a whole lot to lose

Well, what you'd potentially have to lose is Devanney. I think your first paragraph outlining why you think he won't get picked makes quite a bit of sense; still I wouldn't have rolled these dice to protect Singleton, even if it isn't a risky roll.

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 hours ago, Lathund said:

 Not really a whole lot to lose

Well, what you'd potentially have to lose is Devanney. I think your first paragraph outlining why you think he won't get picked makes quite a bit of sense; still I wouldn't have rolled these dice to protect Singleton, even if it isn't a risky roll.

[Seth Stohs]

7 hours ago, markedman5 said:

It could also mean Hiura will be traded or non tendered.

just throwing it out there……..

Or you have Singleton DH, Tellez and 1B and Hiura playing against lefties in one of those spots. 

[Seth Stohs]

7 hours ago, markedman5 said:

It could also mean Hiura will be traded or non tendered.

just throwing it out there……..

Or you have Singleton DH, Tellez and 1B and Hiura playing against lefties in one of those spots. 

[Seth Stohs]

6 hours ago, damuelle said:

Two more comments on the Singleton selection:

• Somewhat similarly, we curiously signed 30-year old RHP Deolis Guerra to the active roster on October 18, 2019, even though we’d kept him in AAA that entire season (save for 2/3s of an inning in MLB). And then we DFA’d him by January 30, 2020. As such, I don’t consider the selection of Singleton as a guarantee of an Opening Day 2023 roster spot. Perhaps he’s a placeholder that we want to keep on hand whilst we figure out what other moves to make offensively.
• From July 27 through August 26 last year, OF Jonathan Davis was active for 26 MLB games, registering just 16 plate appearances in that time. To me, this goes to show how the 13th bat on MLB rosters can essentially just be a stashed player, especially with the designated hitter materially reducing the number of pinch hitters that get used. So would we rather stash a player like Mario Feliciano as the 13th MLB bat, rarely playing him but preserving his last minor league option OR use that spot for a guy like Jon Singleton who had the highest walk rate (20.1% of PAs) in the 20-team International League last year and can also hit dingers?

There are other examples that kind of stand out. Atlanta added RH RP Michael Tonkin to their 40-man roster a couple of days ago. He turns later this week. The Twins let him go after the 2017 season, and he spent a year in Japan before toiling in the minor leagues since, including 2021 in independent leagues. He was great in AAA Gwinnett this year, but never got called up. Maybe it's the player saying, "I am getting MLB offers from other teams." 

[Seth Stohs]

6 hours ago, damuelle said:

Two more comments on the Singleton selection:

• Somewhat similarly, we curiously signed 30-year old RHP Deolis Guerra to the active roster on October 18, 2019, even though we’d kept him in AAA that entire season (save for 2/3s of an inning in MLB). And then we DFA’d him by January 30, 2020. As such, I don’t consider the selection of Singleton as a guarantee of an Opening Day 2023 roster spot. Perhaps he’s a placeholder that we want to keep on hand whilst we figure out what other moves to make offensively.
• From July 27 through August 26 last year, OF Jonathan Davis was active for 26 MLB games, registering just 16 plate appearances in that time. To me, this goes to show how the 13th bat on MLB rosters can essentially just be a stashed player, especially with the designated hitter materially reducing the number of pinch hitters that get used. So would we rather stash a player like Mario Feliciano as the 13th MLB bat, rarely playing him but preserving his last minor league option OR use that spot for a guy like Jon Singleton who had the highest walk rate (20.1% of PAs) in the 20-team International League last year and can also hit dingers?

There are other examples that kind of stand out. Atlanta added RH RP Michael Tonkin to their 40-man roster a couple of days ago. He turns later this week. The Twins let him go after the 2017 season, and he spent a year in Japan before toiling in the minor leagues since, including 2021 in independent leagues. He was great in AAA Gwinnett this year, but never got called up. Maybe it's the player saying, "I am getting MLB offers from other teams." 

[Seth Stohs]

12 hours ago, DR28 said:

Agreed, that's how I read his comments on Singleton... That he's already made the 23 OD roster.

Goes to show how much $ we're going to spend on offense this winter.

It might. And I obviously don't know anything with any certainty. But if there is going to be an attempt to keep Corbin Burnes AND Brandon Woodruff around long-term, it's going to cost a lot of money. Right or wrong, that may mean needing to be creative elsewhere. I might be off, and we will likely know more on Friday after the arbitration decisions. 

[Seth Stohs]

12 hours ago, DR28 said:

Agreed, that's how I read his comments on Singleton... That he's already made the 23 OD roster.

Goes to show how much $ we're going to spend on offense this winter.

It might. And I obviously don't know anything with any certainty. But if there is going to be an attempt to keep Corbin Burnes AND Brandon Woodruff around long-term, it's going to cost a lot of money. Right or wrong, that may mean needing to be creative elsewhere. I might be off, and we will likely know more on Friday after the arbitration decisions. 

[BlightyBrew]

4 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

It might. And I obviously don't know anything with any certainty. But if there is going to be an attempt to keep Corbin Burnes AND Brandon Woodruff around long-term, it's going to cost a lot of money. Right or wrong, that may mean needing to be creative elsewhere. I might be off, and we will likely know more on Friday after the arbitration decisions. 

I think one thing we have to remind ourselves is that the ability to sign Burnes and/or Woodruff is not completely in the Brewers hands. Even if MA comes up with the money to push the budget out to get a bite of the apple, Burnes and/or Woodruff might not be interested in signing a long term deal in Milwaukee.

  You already have some players publicly questioning the FO/Ownership group of their true desire to "win" after some of their decisions last season.  If some of them are saying this in public god only knows what they are saying in private. 

In my opinion adding Singleton to the 40 man and implying that he will play a role at the major league level(because they actually believe he will move the needle) is not the way to show to anyone that Brewers are serious about ending 53 year drought of not winning a WS or ending the 40 pennant drought.  It might be insurance just in case something that are planning doesn't work out but I doubt it.  

Friday now to me will be a clear sign on how the rest of this off season will be.  

 

[BlightyBrew]

4 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

It might. And I obviously don't know anything with any certainty. But if there is going to be an attempt to keep Corbin Burnes AND Brandon Woodruff around long-term, it's going to cost a lot of money. Right or wrong, that may mean needing to be creative elsewhere. I might be off, and we will likely know more on Friday after the arbitration decisions. 

I think one thing we have to remind ourselves is that the ability to sign Burnes and/or Woodruff is not completely in the Brewers hands. Even if MA comes up with the money to push the budget out to get a bite of the apple, Burnes and/or Woodruff might not be interested in signing a long term deal in Milwaukee.

  You already have some players publicly questioning the FO/Ownership group of their true desire to "win" after some of their decisions last season.  If some of them are saying this in public god only knows what they are saying in private. 

In my opinion adding Singleton to the 40 man and implying that he will play a role at the major league level(because they actually believe he will move the needle) is not the way to show to anyone that Brewers are serious about ending 53 year drought of not winning a WS or ending the 40 pennant drought.  It might be insurance just in case something that are planning doesn't work out but I doubt it.  

Friday now to me will be a clear sign on how the rest of this off season will be.  

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 hours ago, BlightyBrew said:

I think one thing we have to remind ourselves is that the ability to sign Burnes and/or Woodruff is not completely in the Brewers hands. Even if MA comes up with the money to push the budget out to get a bite of the apple, Burnes and/or Woodruff might not be interested in signing a long term deal in Milwaukee.

  You already have some players publicly questioning the FO/Ownership group of their true desire to "win" after some of their decisions last season.  If some of them are saying this in public god only knows what they are saying in private. 

In my opinion adding Singleton to the 40 man and implying that he will play a role at the major league level(because they actually believe he will move the needle) is not the way to show to anyone that Brewers are serious about ending 53 year drought of not winning a WS or ending the 40 pennant drought.  It might be insurance just in case something that are planning doesn't work out but I doubt it.  

Friday now to me will be a clear sign on how the rest of this off season will be.  

 

 I think you are probably making a mountain out of a molehill here. We're arguing about a guy who, even if he destroys the ball in Spring Training, is looking like a potential platoon 1B/DH at most. If he makes the team, he's the 25th or 26th man, and if he doesn't produce, they'll simply DFA him and move on. The Brewers regularly churn the bottom portion of the roster, and this is another case of that. Heck, there isn't even a 100% chance that he'll make it to Spring Training on the 40-man roster. But they had spots open now, and he's a guy that they obviously deemed to have some upside, so they protected him. We'll see what happens. But even the best World Series-contending teams churn the bottom of the roster with these types of guys.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 hours ago, BlightyBrew said:

I think one thing we have to remind ourselves is that the ability to sign Burnes and/or Woodruff is not completely in the Brewers hands. Even if MA comes up with the money to push the budget out to get a bite of the apple, Burnes and/or Woodruff might not be interested in signing a long term deal in Milwaukee.

  You already have some players publicly questioning the FO/Ownership group of their true desire to "win" after some of their decisions last season.  If some of them are saying this in public god only knows what they are saying in private. 

In my opinion adding Singleton to the 40 man and implying that he will play a role at the major league level(because they actually believe he will move the needle) is not the way to show to anyone that Brewers are serious about ending 53 year drought of not winning a WS or ending the 40 pennant drought.  It might be insurance just in case something that are planning doesn't work out but I doubt it.  

Friday now to me will be a clear sign on how the rest of this off season will be.  

 

 I think you are probably making a mountain out of a molehill here. We're arguing about a guy who, even if he destroys the ball in Spring Training, is looking like a potential platoon 1B/DH at most. If he makes the team, he's the 25th or 26th man, and if he doesn't produce, they'll simply DFA him and move on. The Brewers regularly churn the bottom portion of the roster, and this is another case of that. Heck, there isn't even a 100% chance that he'll make it to Spring Training on the 40-man roster. But they had spots open now, and he's a guy that they obviously deemed to have some upside, so they protected him. We'll see what happens. But even the best World Series-contending teams churn the bottom of the roster with these types of guys.

[BlightyBrew]

52 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

 I think you are probably making a mountain out of a molehill here. We're arguing about a guy who, even if he destroys the ball in Spring Training, is looking like a potential platoon 1B/DH at most. If he makes the team, he's the 25th or 26th man, and if he doesn't produce, they'll simply DFA him and move on. The Brewers regularly churn the bottom portion of the roster, and this is another case of that. Heck, there isn't even a 100% chance that he'll make it to Spring Training on the 40-man roster. But they had spots open now, and he's a guy that they obviously deemed to have some upside, so they protected him. We'll see what happens. But even the best World Series-contending teams churn the bottom of the roster with these types of guys.

Okay I'll let it go and see what the next several weeks bring.  

[BlightyBrew]

52 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

 I think you are probably making a mountain out of a molehill here. We're arguing about a guy who, even if he destroys the ball in Spring Training, is looking like a potential platoon 1B/DH at most. If he makes the team, he's the 25th or 26th man, and if he doesn't produce, they'll simply DFA him and move on. The Brewers regularly churn the bottom portion of the roster, and this is another case of that. Heck, there isn't even a 100% chance that he'll make it to Spring Training on the 40-man roster. But they had spots open now, and he's a guy that they obviously deemed to have some upside, so they protected him. We'll see what happens. But even the best World Series-contending teams churn the bottom of the roster with these types of guys.

Okay I'll let it go and see what the next several weeks bring.  

[Outlander]

Related to adding to the 40 man deadline, David Hamilton who the Red Sox obtained for Hunter Renfroe was added to their 40 man. I don't know if he will ever hit enough to be a major league regular but 70/78 in stolen bases is pretty impressive.

[Outlander]

Related to adding to the 40 man deadline, David Hamilton who the Red Sox obtained for Hunter Renfroe was added to their 40 man. I don't know if he will ever hit enough to be a major league regular but 70/78 in stolen bases is pretty impressive.