Comparing Adames, Urias, Wong and Turang using total bases per game. This includes stolen bases

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

I think speed is an underutilized, undervalued, under-evaluated aspect of baseball.  I know this comparison is not apples to apples but should open some eyes to the value of Bryce Turang not only as a fielder but a speedy hitter.  I compared Bryce's total bases per at bat with those of the current major league starting infield.  I didn't include going first to third or second to home on a hit and I did not include runs scored but I looked at total bases per at bat.  This included things such as singles, doubles, triples, home runs, walks, and stolen bases.  I collected the information rather quickly so my numbers might be lacking.

 

Wily Adames 

At bats 563  total bases 315  bases per at bat 0.56

 

Luis Urias

At bats 406  total bases 215  bases per at bat 0.53

 

Kolten Wong 

At bats 430  Total bases 248  bases per at bat 0.58

 

Bryce Turang

At bats 532  Total Bases 310  bases per at bat 0.58

 

If the Brewers are worried about run production and offense Bryce Turang should be inserted for Luis Urias.  Kolten Wong has the highest total bases percentage per at bat on the infield excluding first base.  I wish Bryce played more 3rd base last year.

[brewcrewdue80]

How are you coming up with Turang as 310 bases?

Isn't  slugging percentage a factor of Total bases per AB? Turang had 219 bases from his hits.

[clancyphile]

2 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

How are you coming up with Turang as 310 bases?

Isn't  slugging percentage a factor of Total bases per AB? Turang had 219 bases from his hits.

He added steals and walks.

Personally, I like the idea of including net stolen bases (SB-CS), but do question the inclusion of walks.

[Thurston Fluff]

Why is including walks a problem? I agree stolen bases is a nice add. I like the idea of adding all bases no matter how they get on with the exception of errors. I suppose even errors can be somewhat created by a player is some circumstances. If a player has the speed to make every play at first close it makes the defender hurry things more thus creating a greater likelihood to make a mistake.  That would be so minimal as to not really matter.

[owbc]

Nobody knows if it will translate to the MLB level. Turang was good but not exceptional at AAA in 2022. 

Urias had pretty good numbers in 2022. Above-average at the MLB level across the board. It would be a big ask for Turang just to match Urias' production. 

And on top of that, Urias is going into his age-27 season so it would be logical to expect Luis to improve on the last two years, both of which have featured solid performances. 

That all said, I'm curious to see what Turang can do at the MLB level. It would just be crazy to expect improvement there when the infield is already our strength. 

 

 

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

I don't like Luis Urias.  Luis seems to breeze through the minors on his talent but now that everyone is talented Luis seems unable to adjust, plus is very short for a third baseman this is a liability on defense.  I would like to see what the 22 year old can do.  

[UpandIn]

9 minutes ago, Hacksaw Jim Duggan said:

I don't like Luis Urias.  Luis seems to breeze through the minors on his talent but now that everyone is talented Luis seems unable to adjust, plus is very short for a third baseman this is a liability on defense.  I would like to see what the 22 year old can do.  

Urias has been REALLY undervalued the last couple years. 39 HRs, versatility, a .244/.344/.426 slash line...I think you're asking a lot of Turang to really improve on that as a rookie.

It's one thing if you're going to trade Wong to allocate those resources elsewhere, but if you're bringing the same IF back...as big of a Brice Turang fan as I am, I wouldn't have him replace one of those 3 starters. 

Urias is also a very good hitter vs lefties...which is a weakness. 

If all 3 of those guys are on the team on opening day, I'd keep them in the starting lineup with Turang getting regular ABs in AAA. I do think Turang is going to be a stud and will hit for more power than most expect, but I don't think there's a rush to force him into the lineup just yet.