Brewers pick up Wong's option.

[monty57]

A big question is what the Brewers are going to do with Urias. He's a bad defender on the left side of the infield (SS/3B) and he was pretty much put on the small side of the platoon until Peterson got hurt and his production fell off a cliff and Urias showed some life at the end of the year. 

By exercising Wong's option, he looks to be at least the strong-side of a platoon at 2B, while Adames is the only "lock" for a full-time starting gig in the Brewers' infield. I think it could make sense to move him to 3B, but I highly doubt it happens, and he will be the everyday SS.

Urias could be the weak-side platoon at 2B, he could be the everyday 3B, he could be the utility guy (plays 2B, 3B, SS), or he could be traded. 

Brosseau is a good guy to have around to face LHP as either the 2B or 3B. The team as a whole is horrible against LHP, so Brosseau is really important for this team.

How they handle Turang really depends on what they do with the other guys, and whether they decide to acquire a real third baseman. I like Turang, but I like him more as a SS than I do as a 3B, which would be what "the Jace Peterson role" really was last year. If Urias hadn't laid an egg, while Peterson was having the best few months of his career, he would probably have seen the 200-300 PAs that are normal for a utility guy. As it turned out, he became the strong-side of a platoon at 3B (essentially he became the starter until he got hurt, and Urias was the bench guy).

Exercising Wong's option really limits Turang's potential role for the '23 Brewers unless they're going to go with a strict platoon at 3B with him and Brosseau with Wong and Urias platooning at 2B. With the current cast, that's a distinct possibility, or they'll  just have Turang start the season in AAA until someone gets hurt and he can be an everyday player for a week or two to see how he does.

But all of this comes with a big asterisk, as the offseason is just started and it's pretty likely that the Brewers are going to make a lot of moves and all of today's speculation will be moot. I guess my "ideal" scenario would have them acquiring a real third baseman and going with him at 3B, Adames at SS, Wong/Brosseau (or Urias) at 2B, Tellez at 1B with Turang waiting in the wings in AAA. Turang "gets his feet wet" when someone lands on the IR, and becomes our starting SS in '24 after Adame gets traded.

[sveumrules]

38 minutes ago, monty57 said:

A big question is what the Brewers are going to do with Urias. He's a bad defender on the left side of the infield (SS/3B)

Urias has definitely been overmatched as a SS with -6 DRS | -7.1 UZR | -15 OAA in 1,116 innings.

I’d say he’s peen cromulent at 3B with +10 DRS | -0.1 UZR | -3 OAA in 1,191 innings.

 

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I'm not worried about Turang getting PAs.

First, half the roster will be injured by Opening Day. That's just how baseball works nowadays.

Second, Adames and Urias are righties, Wong and Turang are lefties. There are plenty of infield plate appearances to go around in that arrangement.

Exactly. Plus Turang actually hits LHP slightly better than he does RHP, which could give him an extra advantage when divvying up playing time.  
 

Turang would be replacing Jace Peterson, who was starting for significant portions of the season. 

[Outlander]

I don't think the Brewers picked up Wong's option with intention to trade so think they will try to compete this year. Unlikely Turang gets a starting role anywhere on the infield pending injury. The 2.9 at bats per game from Peterson was mentioned and I would have no problem if that is what Turang ends up  getting, he could still be a very  valuable and productive player in that role. I would hope the Brewers are not too concerned with super 2 status with Turang, wouldn't even mind if begins the year on the opening day roster as unlikely he goes through his option years without ever being optioned.

[monty57]

38 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Exactly. Plus Turang actually hits LHP slightly better than he does RHP, which could give him an extra advantage when divvying up playing time.  
 

Turang would be replacing Jace Peterson, who was starting for significant portions of the season. 

As I mentioned, "the Peterson role" as the season went on was basically the strong side of a platoon (probably 4/5 of the starts) at 3B, and coming off the bench to pinch-hit on the days he wasn't starting. In other words, Turang would basically be the starting 3B with Urias being the weak-side platoon at 2B and Brosseau being the weak-side of the platoon at 3B.

Turang has played 8 games (66.1 innings) at 3B in his minor league career. Kind of shoving a square peg into a round hole, but I'm sure that if we want to force him onto the roster he could pick up the position even though he'd be much more valuable as a SS, where he's played 2,816.1 minor league innings.

As you mentioned, Turang doesn't really have split differentials, so he isn't someone who should be platooned, but that's the "Peterson role," as Jace was used as a platoon player (only 35 PAs vs LHP in '22).

With that in mind, when you keep saying that Turang should play "the Peterson role," should I assume that you mean he should be the starting 3B, getting sit down against RHP even though he doesn't need to be? Also with that in mind, does that mean that by calling for Turang to play "the Peterson role," that you think Urias should be relegated to weak-side of a 2B platoon, as he was last year until Peterson got hurt?

I'm fine with that if that's what the team decides. I'm just not clear where you stand, as Turang and Peterson are different players, and Turang isn't a third baseman. Turang is young, but he's much more talented than Peterson, while Peterson had a lengthy hot streak last year that was a nice help to the Brewers while it lasted. 

He's 22, so there's no urgent need to force him onto the roster into a role in which he isn't familiar when we could just start Urias/Brosseau at 3B, Adames at SS, Wong/Urias at 2B and Tellez at 1B and probably pick up a journeyman veteran utility guy on a low-money one-year deal as the backup SS. Bring Turang up as a starter when someone gets hurt, and plug him in as the '24 starter at SS after Adames is traded.

Or, we could just acquire a real 3B in free agency or trade and stop trying to find ways to figure out how to divvy up playing time amongst a group of guys who should be second basemen (Wong, Urias, Brosseau) or SS (Adames, Turang).

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, monty57 said:

As I mentioned, "the Peterson role" as the season went on was basically the strong side of a platoon (probably 4/5 of the starts) at 3B, and coming off the bench to pinch-hit on the days he wasn't starting. In other words, Turang would basically be the starting 3B with Urias being the weak-side platoon at 2B and Brosseau being the weak-side of the platoon at 3B.

Turang has played 8 games (66.1 innings) at 3B in his minor league career. Kind of shoving a square peg into a round hole, but I'm sure that if we want to force him onto the roster he could pick up the position even though he'd be much more valuable as a SS, where he's played 2,816.1 minor league innings.

As you mentioned, Turang doesn't really have split differentials, so he isn't someone who should be platooned, but that's the "Peterson role," as Jace was used as a platoon player (only 35 PAs vs LHP in '22).

With that in mind, when you keep saying that Turang should play "the Peterson role," should I assume that you mean he should be the starting 3B, getting sit down against RHP even though he doesn't need to be? Also with that in mind, does that mean that by calling for Turang to play "the Peterson role," that you think Urias should be relegated to weak-side of a 2B platoon, as he was last year until Peterson got hurt?

I'm fine with that if that's what the team decides. I'm just not clear where you stand, as Turang and Peterson are different players, and Turang isn't a third baseman. Turang is young, but he's much more talented than Peterson, while Peterson had a lengthy hot streak last year that was a nice help to the Brewers while it lasted. 

He's 22, so there's no urgent need to force him onto the roster into a role in which he isn't familiar when we could just start Urias/Brosseau at 3B, Adames at SS, Wong/Urias at 2B and Tellez at 1B and probably pick up a journeyman veteran utility guy on a low-money one-year deal as the backup SS. Bring Turang up as a starter when someone gets hurt, and plug him in as the '24 starter at SS after Adames is traded.

Or, we could just acquire a real 3B in free agency or trade and stop trying to find ways to figure out how to divvy up playing time amongst a group of guys who should be second basemen (Wong, Urias, Brosseau) or SS (Adames, Turang).

It's not the specific position that I'm referring to, as much as it is the at-bats/playing time that will ultimately be available within the infield, as they were for Peterson this past season. For instance, Wong is almost certainly going to be on the bench against LHP, which would make Turang the logical candidate to be the starter on those occasions, with Adames at SS and Urias at 3B. He would then find additional playing time as the primary backup at SS and 3B. We all know how Counsell values giving his starters regular rest throughout the course of the season....

Remember in the past few years when we were worried about what we were going to do with all of our outfielders? Well, the situation usually sorted itself out as everyone ended up receiving regular playing time due to rest-days, injuries, underperformance, etc. The same thing applies here. Turang may not be a locked in starter at any position, but he should still end up seeing enough at-bats to make it worth having him on the roster. And would we even want to assure him a starting spot on what should be a contending ballclub, when he has yet to play a single inning at the major league level? This way, we'll be able to help manage his adjustment to the major leagues without giving him the pressure of having to immediately produce as a starter on a contender. It's actually quite similar to what we did with Mitchell in late August/September. Mitchell was not the locked-in starter when he was called up, as he had to contend with Tyrone Taylor. Indeed, he struggled a little bit after his first few games. But, as September wore on, he was eventually able to build his confidence and started to really show some promise. 

So, that's where I stand. Go with Turang as your primary back-up infielder, if not from opening day, then at least from late April/early May, when he gains that extra year of team control, with the expectation that he'll ultimately be in the lineup or be a late-game substitution 3-5 games a week. Playing time spread between 2B, SS, and 3B. I just think he's been in AAA long enough at this point (1.5 years), and that, with his mid-season power surge, there's nothing left for him to prove. We really are in need of his defense and high contact/OBP/speed combo. 

[monty57]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

It's not the specific position that I'm referring to, as much as it is the at-bats/playing time that will ultimately be available within the infield, as they were for Peterson this past season. For instance, Wong is almost certainly going to be on the bench against LHP, which would make Turang the logical candidate to be the starter on those occasions, with Adames at SS and Urias at 3B. He would then find additional playing time as the primary backup at SS and 3B. We all know how Counsell values giving his starters regular rest throughout the course of the season....

Remember in the past few years when we were worried about what we were going to do with all of our outfielders? Well, the situation usually sorted itself out as everyone ended up receiving regular playing time due to rest-days, injuries, underperformance, etc. The same thing applies here. Turang may not be a locked in starter at any position, but he should still end up seeing enough at-bats to make it worth having him on the roster. And would we even want to assure him a starting spot on what should be a contending ballclub, when he has yet to play a single inning at the major league level? This way, we'll be able to help manage his adjustment to the major leagues without giving him the pressure of having to immediately produce as a starter on a contender. It's actually quite similar to what we did with Mitchell in late August/September. Mitchell was not the locked-in starter when he was called up, as he had to contend with Tyrone Taylor. Indeed, he struggled a little bit after his first few games. But, as September wore on, he was eventually able to build his confidence and started to really show some promise. 

So, that's where I stand. Go with Turang as your primary back-up infielder, if not from opening day, then at least from late April/early May, when he gains that extra year of team control, with the expectation that he'll ultimately be in the lineup or be a late-game substitution 3-5 games a week. Playing time spread between 2B, SS, and 3B. I just think he's been in AAA long enough at this point (1.5 years), and that, with his mid-season power surge, there's nothing left for him to prove. We really are in need of his defense and high contact/OBP/speed combo. 

Thank you for the clarification. 

If the only "assured" playing time he'd see would be as the short-side of the platoon at 2B, then I'd prefer just to use Brosseau, who has a 127 career wRC+ vs LHP (119 wRC+ vs LHP in '22). Counsell doesn't like putting LH batters against LHP, regardless of splits (note the Tellez/Hiura mess from '22), so I think Brosseau will be the guy he'll use in this situation (actually, probably Urias at 2B with Brosseau at third).

That would leave roughly 10-20 starts at SS and a few more than that at 3B, so maybe 50-60 starts for him. I agree with your final sentence, and don't think that this role would make good use of his high contact/OBP/speed combo. 

I think that if he's on the roster, it will be as the strong-side of a 3B platoon, which will leave Urias as the odd man out. Turang is the better defender, with better contact skills, but Urias would probably post a higher wRC+ next year due to a little more power. So, we'd be sacrificing some power for higher OBP and defense.

Since the net overall gain would probably be negligible, if we don't acquire a real third baseman I'd probably just stick with Urias as the 3B, find a cheap veteran SS to take those 10-20 starts for Adames and let Brosseau back up Urias when he needs a day off, thereby retaining an extra year's service time for Turang to be our starting SS for six seasons after Adames is gone.

I truly appreciate your opinion, and you could be correct, but I think we're kind of going round-and-round at this point. We both like Turang, just have a minor disagreement on how best to bring him into the fold. Exercising Wong's option took significant PT away from someone, and that is probably either Urias or Turang, and it may have went so far as to keep Turang in AAA for another season (or at least until someone gets hurt).

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7 minutes ago, monty57 said:

Thank you for the clarification. 

If the only "assured" playing time he'd see would be as the short-side of the platoon at 2B, then I'd prefer just to use Brosseau, who has a 127 career wRC+ vs LHP (119 wRC+ vs LHP in '22). Counsell doesn't like putting LH batters against LHP, regardless of splits (note the Tellez/Hiura mess from '22), so I think Brosseau will be the guy he'll use in this situation (actually, probably Urias at 2B with Brosseau at third).

That would leave roughly 10-20 starts at SS and a few more than that at 3B, so maybe 50-60 starts for him. I agree with your final sentence, and don't think that this role would make good use of his high contact/OBP/speed combo. 

I think that if he's on the roster, it will be as the strong-side of a 3B platoon, which will leave Urias as the odd man out. Turang is the better defender, with better contact skills, but Urias would probably post a higher wRC+ next year due to a little more power. So, we'd be sacrificing some power for higher OBP and defense.

Since the net overall gain would probably be negligible, if we don't acquire a real third baseman I'd probably just stick with Urias as the 3B, find a cheap veteran SS to take those 10-20 starts for Adames and let Brosseau back up Urias when he needs a day off, thereby retaining an extra year's service time for Turang to be our starting SS for six seasons after Adames is gone.

I truly appreciate your opinion, and you could be correct, but I think we're kind of going round-and-round at this point. We both like Turang, just have a minor disagreement on how best to bring him into the fold. Exercising Wong's option took significant PT away from someone, and that is probably either Urias or Turang, and it may have went so far as to keep Turang in AAA for another season (or at least until someone gets hurt).

Only thing I would add to this is I think there's a real possibility that Brosseau is non-tendered as one of the moves to free up salary. Turang has hit lefties just as well in the minors as Brosseau did this past season, while playing better significantly better defense. If he's not going to crush lefties, which he didn't this year, there's really no reason to have him on the roster with Urias and Adames both being right-handed. 

[SF70]

5 minutes ago, monty57 said:

Thank you for the clarification. 

If the only "assured" playing time he'd see would be as the short-side of the platoon at 2B, then I'd prefer just to use Brosseau, who has a 127 career wRC+ vs LHP (119 wRC+ vs LHP in '22). Counsell doesn't like putting LH batters against LHP, regardless of splits (note the Tellez/Hiura mess from '22), so I think Brosseau will be the guy he'll use in this situation (actually, probably Urias at 2B with Brosseau at third).

That would leave roughly 10-20 starts at SS and a few more than that at 3B, so maybe 50-60 starts for him. I agree with your final sentence, and don't think that this role would make good use of his high contact/OBP/speed combo. 

I think that if he's on the roster, it will be as the strong-side of a 3B platoon, which will leave Urias as the odd man out. Turang is the better defender, with better contact skills, but Urias would probably post a higher wRC+ next year due to a little more power. So, we'd be sacrificing some power for higher OBP and defense.

Since the net overall gain would probably be negligible, if we don't acquire a real third baseman I'd probably just stick with Urias as the 3B, find a cheap veteran SS to take those 10-20 starts for Adames and let Brosseau back up Urias when he needs a day off, thereby retaining an extra year's service time for Turang to be our starting SS for six seasons after Adames is gone.

I truly appreciate your opinion, and you could be correct, but I think we're kind of going round-and-round at this point. We both like Turang, just have a minor disagreement on how best to bring him into the fold. Exercising Wong's option took significant PT away from someone, and that is probably either Urias or Turang, and it may have went so far as to keep Turang in AAA for another season (or at least until someone gets hurt).

The priority for me is getting the extra year of service-time on Turang, so if they go with Turang as a utility, he should be held in Nashville until the last week of April.

 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, SF70 said:

The priority for me is getting the extra year of service-time on Turang, so if they go with Turang as a utility, he should be held in Nashville until the last week of April.

 

While I think Turang has been in AAA long enough and that it's time to get him some looks at the MLB level, I'd be fine with this given our small-market reality. 

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Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

While I think Turang has been in AAA long enough and that it's time to get him some looks at the MLB level, I'd be fine with this given our small-market reality. 

Turang should be facing big-league pitching for the next step in his development. I was hoping it would have been in a full-time role at 2B, starting late April, but the team looks to want a little bit more of a sure thing, so it appears it will be Wong.

Still hoping for a Wong trade (Boston, Seattle, Philadelphia, among others), but if not a utility role post service-time cutoff date, would be tolerable.

[monty57]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Only thing I would add to this is I think there's a real possibility that Brosseau is non-tendered as one of the moves to free up salary. Turang has hit lefties just as well in the minors as Brosseau did this past season, while playing better significantly better defense. If he's not going to crush lefties, which he didn't this year, there's really no reason to have him on the roster with Urias and Adames both being right-handed. 

Yeah, Brosseau definitely isn't on the roster for his defense. I may like him more than I should just because the team has been so inept against LHP that having someone who hits better than average against them is nice. I think they'll hold onto him, but his roster spot is far from guaranteed.

Bad defense cost the team at least some games this year, and therefore could be cited as one reason they weren't in the playoffs. Having a roster full of high-strikeout / low OBP guys could be another thing the front office will try to fix. This is probably one of the reasons the Brewers decided to keep Wong around... they like his approach at the plate and hope his defense will be better this season.

Whenever they all make their appearances, Mitchell, Frelick, and Turang should all help cure the aforementioned problems. All are good defensively and have good "bat to ball" skills. At some point, they should all be mainstays in our everyday lineup, and I think the team will be much more fun to watch because of it. 

[Brewcrew82]

18 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Turang should be facing big-league pitching for the next step in his development. I was hoping it would have been in a full-time role at 2B, starting late April, but the team looks to want a little bit more of a sure thing, so it appears it will be Wong.

Still hoping for a Wong trade (Boston, Seattle, Philadelphia, among others), but if not a utility role post service-time cutoff date, would be tolerable.

I personally like having the depth in the infield. Lack of depth killed us in some places this year. At the very least, we probably won't have to ever bring up a guy like Pablo Reyes. And I just don't think Brosseau brings enough at this point to keep on the roster. 

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Could do something like this (starts at each position):

Wong: 75 2B, 55 DH TOT: 130

Adames: 135 SS, 5 DH TOT: 140

Urias: 25 2B, 100 3B TOT: 125
Turang 62 2B, 27 SS, 17 3B TOT: 106

Brosseau 45 3B, 5 DH TOT:50

 

[Robocaller]

The only reason that Turang shouldn't break spring training with the Brewers is to delay his start to keep him around for another year before FA. So maybe have a AAAA guy start out with the Brewers, and promote Turang at the first date possible.

He doesn't need to be up with the team for the entire season to become one of the top 3 in ROY voting--that will be determined by how well he plays once he's up.

 

[Robocaller]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I personally like having the depth in the infield. Lack of depth killed us in some places this year. At the very least, we probably won't have to ever bring up a guy like Pablo Reyes. And I just don't think Brosseau brings enough at this point to keep on the roster. 

I'm on the fence about Brosseau. Wondered whether signing Longoria would be an option.

[monty57]

2 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

The only reason that Turang shouldn't break spring training with the Brewers is to delay his start to keep him around for another year before FA. So maybe have a AAAA guy start out with the Brewers, and promote Turang at the first date possible.

He doesn't need to be up with the team for the entire season to become one of the top 3 in ROY voting--that will be determined by how well he plays once he's up.

 

I believe that the team only receives a draft pick for top 3 ROY if the player is on the opening day roster. 

[UpandIn]

 

8 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

But my point is: Turnag hasn’t necessarily dominated AAA pitching where there are no Verlanders, Kershaws etc. As the posters here point out he apparently did show some developing power in late summer ‘22, therefore why bring him up at all until he shows he can consistently take apart AAA pitching and is fortified to go against the best every night in the major leagues?

Yes, this you've mentioned multiple times now there are no Kershaw's or Verlander's. I don't know what your point is. Yes, MLB IS better. 

And yet...every MLB player comes from the minor leagues...and Turang has "taken apart" AAA pitching. 
As a starter

.301

.362

.460

.822

July

 

.326

.438

.535

.973

August

 

.280

.349

.505

.854}

Sept

 

.282

.381

.394

.775

(Fewest At Bats).

But what more would you like him to do? An elite defender and...he's hit VERY well. 

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5 minutes ago, monty57 said:

I believe that the team only receives a draft pick for top 3 ROY if the player is on the opening day roster. 

I don't recall that, but if it's true you put him on the opening day roster for a day, then recall him later.

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Reportedly they shopped Wong at the deadline this year. Obviously they  didn’t find anything to their liking, because he wasn’t traded. 
 

I don’t think his trade market will suddenly change in a few months. 

Rather, 8 million dollars is bargain rate for a starting caliber player in the major leagues today, and Wong has a long track record as a quality player. 

His value comes from being a quality starter on a cut rate contract. Thus, the Brewers could move him as part of a larger deal because of that value, I just don’t see the Brewers picking up his option to actively shop him. 

I don't really buy the "vague" reportedly they did X and since that didn't happen, this won't. 

But, hypothetically, what would change? Kolten Wong 1st half(when he struggled with the yips)-

227

.313

.382

.695

Kolten Wong-Second half 

.281

.372

.490

.862

Seems...pretty straight forward. A bad year vs an ELITE year. Pretty big distinction. 
 

[Robocaller]

11 minutes ago, monty57 said:

I believe that the team only receives a draft pick for top 3 ROY if the player is on the opening day roster. 

I searched and found a story on USA Today site that made no mention of that, though it did have something I didn't know--the player has to be on one of the 3 top-100 prospect lists (ESPN, BA, MLB.COM) before the season. Frelick certainly will be; not so sure about Turang, Mitchell, Ruiz.

 

[UpandIn]

11 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

I don't recall that, but if it's true you put him on the opening day roster for a day, then recall him later.

I don't think they have to be on the opening day...but more importantly, I haven't seen any real clarity. 

In looking, I found this from MLB Trade Rumors;

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 Under the Prospect Promotion Incentive, teams can earn an extra pick in the draft if a rookie-eligible player with 60 days or fewer of major league service who is included on a preseason top 100 prospect list by two or more of Baseball America, ESPN.com or MLB.com is promoted and finishes high in award voting in any year before he is eligible for arbitration  A Rookie of the Year win or a top three finish in MVP or Cy Young voting in his pre-arbitration seasons would net the team that extra draft pick.

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 I searched and found a story on USA Today site that made no mention of that, though it did have something I didn't know--the player has to be on one of the 3 top-100 prospect lists (ESPN, BA, MLB.COM) before the season. Frelick certainly will be; not so sure about Turang, Mitchell, Ruiz.

Apparently I was a few minutes late, but I just found the same thing. 

This seems pointless. So what? Turang's been a top 100. Strider for the Braves, I don't believe he was top 100. What a stupid and kinda pointless limitation to put on it?

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10 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

I don't think they have to be on the opening day...but more importantly, I haven't seen any real clarity. 

In looking, I found this from MLB Trade Rumors;

Apparently I was a few minutes late, but I just found the same thing. 

This seems pointless. So what? Turang's been a top 100. Strider for the Braves, I don't believe he was top 100. What a stupid and kinda pointless limitation to put on it?

the reason isn't clear to me either, if there is a good reason.

 

[UpandIn]

3 hours ago, Robocaller said:

the reason isn't clear to me either, if there is a good reason.

 

I guess maybe it's because those are the players it most impacts. You're less inclined to keep your 10th rated prospect in the Minors than the 10th overall prospect, but still, what a stupid distinction. Mitchell...for example has been top 100. Turang has been top 100.  Not sure anyone other than Wiemer, Frelick and Chourio qualify at the moment, but Ashby for example. It wouldn't have shocked me at all if he'd have had a season in which he finished in the top 3 for ROY voting. So no pick for that?

 

So the top 3 finishes...per Sporting News;
NL
1-Spencer Strider-Somehow not top 100 despite how he shot through MiLB last year. Spent full season in MLB.
2-Michael Harris-Top 100(didn't get called up until the end of May...but he skilled AAA and hadn't played above HiA to start the year, so he was an outlier...Duvall struggled, he didn't even hit THAT well in AAA and still put up 5.3 WAR).
3-Brendan Donovan-Not top 100 Came up in April
4-Jake McCarthy-Not top 100 Up the last two years
5-Nick Lodolo-Top 100 Up all year
Only one of those three are eligible despite Strider being the best pitcher for a 100 win team. And Donovan was a 4 WAR player. 

AL-
1-Julio Rodriguez -Called up in April, top 3 prospect. 
2-Steve Kwan 5.5 WAR -Started the year in Cleveland
3-Adley Rutschman...who sounds like a famous American traitor...he didn't come up until May, he was a top 2-3 party.
4-George Kirby- Top 100, up early May.
5-Jeremy Pena-4.8 WAR. Top 20 by Baseball Prospectus, not top 100 MLB Pipeline, ALCS, WS MVP. 

So 2 of the 3 in the NL=No comp and a guy worth 5.5 in the AL and the Guardians don't geta comp pick?
In the AL, 2 of the top 3 were top 3 prospects who were held back. 

I guess that's the logic, but I still think it's stupid. Brice Turang has been one of my favorite prospects for a while. I like him more than Mitchell. Mitchell was a top 50 prospect last year and Turang...he's been ranked, but I think Mitchell's chance is far more likely to be ranked next year. 

On one hand, I get it. It's not like Brice Turang is the type of player you're looking at just thinking, "we need to hold onto this player as long as possible, we don't wanna miss one of his MVP years when he's 29 years old," but teams like the Brewers, the teams who are most inclined to car about the draft pick compensation, they're also just as likely to keep a 22 year old SS who's spent 2 years in AAA down in AAA for the first 30 games of the year so they get him for 7 years. 

So you want to incentivize having the most worthy players breaking camp on the 26 man, don't limit it to the top 100. 

 

It's obviously the MLBPA is REALLY just looking at the players who are most likely to set the markets in the future. The Correa types. The guys who'll be the top paid in MLB, not guys who'll lose out on a few million. 

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12 hours ago, UpandIn said:

 

Yes, this you've mentioned multiple times now there are no Kershaw's or Verlander's. I don't know what your point is. Yes, MLB IS better. 

And yet...every MLB player comes from the minor leagues...and Turang has "taken apart" AAA pitching. 
As a starter

.301

.362

.460

.822

July

 

.326

.438

.535

.973

August

 

.280

.349

.505

.854}

Sept

 

.282

.381

.394

.775

(Fewest At Bats).

But what more would you like him to do? An elite defender and...he's hit VERY well. 

Yep, three months out of six in AAA this year, and basically 3 months out of 5 years in the minors. You’re right he’s really shown them!

Seems like there’s a lot of “buts”… His season numbers aren’t great BUT he was awesome for three months. BUT he was young for his league etc. 

Without the BUTs he sure hasn’t forced the Brewers hand.