Matt Arnold elevated to president of baseball operations, David Stearns moves into advisory role

[UpandIn]

15 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Chourio is projected as a future 70-grade defender in CF with 70-grade speed. That's in addition to his bat which is significantly more advanced at a younger age than Quero. So I don't quite get where you're going there considering CF defense is just as key as C defense. 

I don't think he ends up as a CFer. I think he's a left fielder...and beyond that, I don't know what else to say. I agree, he's an extremely exciting prospect. 

I think Quero is closer to him than you're suggesting and I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes the better prospect. I'm not going anywhere else.

[brewers888]

5 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

It just never stops does it? SMH

You just can't stop your Baghdad Bob routine can you. 

[UpandIn]

18 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Finally, getting somewhere with "FAR better than just competent" but yet still nowhere. Whatever... take out your dictionary and look up the definition of competent, heck check out the synonyms for competent in your thesaurus.  The facts are you disagree with my adjective "competent" yet  haven't said I'm wrong that there is a class of executives better than Stearns and a class that is obviously worse.

I really don't care if it's prospect talent or rankings. Maybe you live in Tennessee or Mississippi, but if not I'm willing to bet neither of us has seen any Brewer minor leaguers actually play more than a handful of games, if that. As such, neither one of us have any first hand knowledge of talent but its circumstantial evidence.. draft position, stat sheets, articles, age vs. level of play etc. that leads one to draw conclusions about talent. Nothing wrong with it, I just doesn't mean anything to me.  I'll draw my conclusions when the the person proves themselves at the major league level. 

 

 

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I think the bar is set kind of low in Milwaukee given the futility from the mid 80s through the mid 00's. Stearns was a competent GM but not amongst the best in the game.

Yeah...not going down another one of these stupid rabbit holes with you. I think he was among the best in the game. You're wrong. Cool?

You listed Brian Cashman...I can't. 

 

And sure...all we have to go off of with regard to our prospects is "circumstantial evidence." I honestly don't even know what that means in this context...

[brewers888]

5 hours ago, SeaBass said:

You could be right about this. Or like I stated earlier it could be so the team in effect trades him to a team for some type of compensation.

I'm not convinced the Mets are the likely suitors though. They seem to be getting along just fine. The Mets would have the leading odds though if this was a betting subject in Vegas.

He's pretty much a lock to be headed to the Mets the only question is whether its now or after the 2023 season/ 

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, brewers888 said:

You just can't stop your Baghdad Bob routine can you. 

Literally no one else agrees with the bizarre conspiracy theories you keep cooking up. Look in the mirror. 

[brewers888]

5 hours ago, nate82 said:

I think Stearns is leaving for New York but not for the Mets.  It will be with the Yankees as Cashman's contract is up this year and that spot may become open.  

He's a fan of the Mets not the Yankees and Cohen hired his best friend to oversee things until Stearns was free. 

[Brewcrew82]

8 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

I don't think he ends up as a CFer. I think he's a left fielder...and beyond that, I don't know what else to say. I agree, he's an extremely exciting prospect. 

I think Quero is closer to him than you're suggesting and I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes the better prospect. I'm not going anywhere else.

Interesting cause almost all experts and scouts have him destined for CF, where he has the potential to be elite. I personally don't see anything that would force him over to the corner. 

I like Quero, too, and think he's a top 100 prospect at this point, but Chourio is on a different level right now especially with the bat. Among the rarest of levels for someone that age. 

[nate82]

2 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

He's a fan of the Mets not the Yankees and Cohen hired his best friend to oversee things until Stearns was free. 

That won't matter when the Yankees come calling and asking him to replace Cashman.

[brewers888]

3 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

So what is it that you're saying? I said he was a competent, he made some nice moves, but also made his share of mistakes, and wasn't among the very best executives in the game (Friedmann, Cashman, Beane, Antonetti, Mozeliak)

If you want to give them credit for overhauling the way they develop pitching, then they also have to own the fact Stearns was incapable of  developing an everyday regular position player during his tenure.

The farm system ratings don't mean much to me, they're a sportswriters opinion of a snap shot in time. I'd also beg to differ as the Brewers system was plenty loaded in 2007: Gallardo, Braun, Cain, Michael Brantley and Jeffress I've got $50 that says the Brewers don't have five future  all-stars in their system right now two of whom will play 14 years in the majors and two more who will have 10+ year careers. 

Stearns is a far better executive than Brian Cashman who would be worthless without a huge payroll.

[brewers888]

8 minutes ago, nate82 said:

That won't matter when the Yankees come calling and asking him to replace Cashman.

Cohen is the richest owner in baseball and will pay whatever it takes to land Stearns. Its essentially a done deal and really was the day the Mets hired Eppler to oversee things until Stearns became available.

[Austin Tatious]

37 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

I don't think he ends up as a CFer. I think he's a left fielder...and beyond that, I don't know what else to say. I agree, he's an extremely exciting prospect. 

I think Quero is closer to him than you're suggesting and I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes the better prospect. I'm not going anywhere else.

Sounds like you have seen him play.  Can he play 3B?  He was signed as a SS.  We have a need at 3B long term and we have several good OF prospects.  

[nate82]

9 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Cohen is the richest owner in baseball and will pay whatever it takes to land Stearns. Its essentially a done deal and really was the day the Mets hired Eppler to oversee things until Stearns became available.

The Yankees are a fare more prestigious organization than the Mets.  It doesn't really matter how much money Cohen offers Stearns or if the Mets were Stearns favorite team or if he is friends with Eppler.  If the Yankees are offering the same position that the Mets are the Yankees win.   

[markedman5]

 

[markedman5]

Narrator….” He wants compensation “

 

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[UpandIn]

8 minutes ago, Austin Tatious said:

Sounds like you have seen him play.  Can he play 3B?  He was signed as a SS.  We have a need at 3B long term and we have several good OF prospects.  

I've never seen him play the IF. Just a few games in the OF. BUT...if he could field the ball well, I suspect his arm wouldn't be strong enough or he'd be more of a 2B prospect. 

I'd guess 80% of Latin American prospects sign as SS, C or Pitchers though. I have no clue how he'd develop in the IF. 

[MrTPlush]

Honestly this situation is a smidge bizarre. If Stearns really just doesn’t want to be here and wants to be elsewhere…not committing to a contract, why not just fire him? Is Mark really that in love with Stearns he is going to hold him hostage for a year, give him a free paid vacation, all so some other team has to wait 12 months?

 

Keepng Doug Melvin around for awhile for a ‘smooth transition’ made sense…he was hitting the beach afterwards. Doing it with 37 year old Stearns is just weird, in my opinion.

[UpandIn]

14 minutes ago, nate82 said:

The Yankees are a fare more prestigious organization than the Mets.  It doesn't really matter how much money Cohen offers Stearns or if the Mets were Stearns favorite team or if he is friends with Eppler.  If the Yankees are offering the same position that the Mets are the Yankees win.   

He did grow up a Mets fan. And Theo Epstein grew up a Red Sox fan. Yet he still left to go run the Cubs. 

Simply because the Mets asked to talk to him and because he was a Mets fan, that doesn't mean he's just a lock to become the Mets next GM. The Yankees and Dodgers are what I'd view as the two most sought after jobs in the sport. 

I don't think it's written in stone that he's going to the Mets. 

[SeaBass]

14 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Honestly this situation is a smidge bizarre. If Stearns really just doesn’t want to be here and wants to be elsewhere…not committing to a contract, why not just fire him? Is Mark really that in love with Stearns he is going to hold him hostage for a year, give him a free paid vacation, all so some other team has to wait 12 months?

 

Keepng Doug Melvin around for awhile for a ‘smooth transition’ made sense…he was hitting the beach afterwards. Doing it with 37 year old Stearns is just weird, in my opinion.

If Cohen really would "spend whatever it takes" to get Stearns is he really going to be patient and wait out the year just to refuse paying a piddling amount of compensation to the Brewers. Maybe he's just weird like that. Or maybe they're already in discussions over it. Maybe Stearns is pissed at MA for keeping him on a leash and is holding a grudge, refusing to allow the Brewers to benefit from his departure. Who knows any of the reasons? Maybe what is being reported is the simple truth but the fact remains we may never know if there are inflamed feelings on either side over the last couple years.

[markedman5]

I’m not sure how anyone could have watched Stearn’s press conference and come away with the idea that there were hard feelings between him and MA.

it seems likely that this is a nice compromise for Stearns……he gets to take a year off to recharge the batteries before the next chapter.

If the Mets  or anyone else wants him badly enough then they can pay up to get him early.

If Anyone has the right to be pissed it’s Mark A…..at the Mets for leaking their intent to poach an executive still under contract with another team.

 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

I’m not sure how anyone could have watched Stearn’s press conference and come away with the idea that there were hard feelings between him and MA.

it seems likely that this is a nice compromise for Stearns……he gets to take a year off to recharge the batteries before the next chapter.

If the Mets  or anyone else wants him badly enough then they can pay up to get him early.

If Anyone has the right to be pissed it’s Mark A…..at the Mets for leaking their intent to poach an executive still under contract with another team.

 

Yeah. I think MA wanted Stearns to commit beyond this year, and when Stearns couldn't do that, they came to the decision for Stearns to step down and take the year off. 

Hope he spurns the Mets and goes to the Yankees or the Astros. I'm assuming he'll end up there, though, despite what Cohen said today. 

[Robocaller]

13 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Those guys didn't do what Chourio is doing at 18 years old. They were still in high school and then proceeded to spend a couple years in college before getting drafted. 

Chourio is on the Griffey, Soto, Rodriguez, etc. trend right now. Doesn't mean he's a certainty, but those kinds of players don't come around often. 

 

Chourio might be the most "sure thing" 18-year-old in a few years, but that's a low bar; no 18-y.o. is really a sure thing.
 

10 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Interesting cause almost all experts and scouts have him destined for CF, where he has the potential to be elite. I personally don't see anything that would force him over to the corner. 

I like Quero, too, and think he's a top 100 prospect at this point, but Chourio is on a different level right now especially with the bat. Among the rarest of levels for someone that age. 

Obviously speed wouldn't move him off CF, but his arm might move him to LF. Plus, I don't see him displacing Mitchell, if he's still playing CF for us at that time (though if those two guys plus Frelick are our OF, Mitchell might need to be the RF)..

[Robocaller]

Reading through the hot takes in this thread rivals reading a game thread. 

[Brewcrew82]

7 hours ago, Robocaller said:

Chourio might be the most "sure thing" 18-year-old in a few years, but that's a low bar; no 18-y.o. is really a sure thing.
 

Obviously speed wouldn't move him off CF, but his arm might move him to LF. Plus, I don't see him displacing Mitchell, if he's still playing CF for us at that time (though if those two guys plus Frelick are our OF, Mitchell might need to be the RF)..

That's why I said he's no "certainty". But it's also true that he's on a level that is rare for someone that young, and almost all of his counterparts in that sense became superstar players in the game. 

His arm is no worse than Lorenzo Cain's, and Cain was one of the best CF of his generation. 70-grade (projected) CF defense is 70-grade CF defense. 

[Axman59]

I'm really not a fan of the Stearns/Attanasio gaslighting routine. Perhaps Stearns' next gig will be as spokesman for the Russian Ministry of Defense.