Robocaller’s 2023 Payroll Blueprint

[Robocaller]

Trade Tellez and Taylor to Houston for Bryan Abreu and Jose Perez (who will be stashed in Nashville with a possible callup) and possibly a spare part or two. Sign Jose Abreu to 2 year contract at $20M/y. Sign Mitch Haniger for 2 years at $5M/y (mainly to antagonize the BF guys who don't want our former players; Michael Brantley would be an option.  I put Haniger at DH, but most of his ABs will probably be as an OF). Trade Feliciano and E. Ruiz for Logan O'Hoppe, and maybe a spare part.  Sign Taylor Rogers (I don't see a likely, better option), and Jace (his performance after returning from injury should reduce his pay) to 2-year contracts. Hiura is traded for whatever we can get; he's not going to get a chance in MKE, so might as well trade him.

• ? Victor Caratini ($2.80M)
• 1B: Jose Abreu ($20M)
• 2B: Brice Turang ($0.7M)
• 3B: Luis Urias ($4.50M)
• SS: Willy Adames ($9.50M)
• LF: Christian Yelich ($22.00M)
• CF: Garrett Mitchell ($0.70M)
• RF: Hunter Renfroe ($11.00M)
• DH: Mitch Haniger ($5.00M)
• 4th OF: Sal Frelick ($0.70M)
• Utility: Mike Brosseau ($1.00M)
• Utility: Jace Peterson ($2.5M)
• Backup ? Logan O'Hoppe ($0.70M)
• SP1: Corbin Burnes ($11.50M)
• SP2: Brandon Woodruff ($11.00M)
• SP3: Freddy Peralta ($3.50M)
• SP4: Eric Lauer ($5.00M)
• SP5: Aaron Ashby ($1.2M)
• RP: Peter Strzelecki ($0.75M)
• RP: Brad Boxberger ($3.00M)
• RP: Matt Bush ($2.00M)
• RP: Adrian Houser ($3.50M)
• RP: Hoby Milner ($1.00M)
• RP: Devin Williams ($4.00M)
• RP: Bryan Abreu ($2.00M)
• RP: Taylor Rogers ($3.50M)

Payroll is 2.29% over budget

[Jopal78]

Haniger would get at least three times what you have as a hypothetical salary. 

[UpandIn]

58 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Haniger would get at least three times what you have as a hypothetical salary. 

That seems incredibly unrealistic for a player who will be 32, has played over 96 games TWICE in his career.

He's a nice player...when healthy. That's not often. And it really seems to be at odds with the "trade Renfroe for salary" argument you've made...fairly regularly. 

He's also coming off his worst year, played in 57 games, his defense has diminished...leading to him getting time at DH.

Nice player. Not a guy who's likely to get "at LEAST three times"(15M) a year with all those issues. 

Glancing at a couple Mariners sites, he's looking for something in the ~3/30 range.

[Robocaller]

3 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Glancing at a couple Mariners sites, he's looking for something in the ~3/30 range.

The one I looked at had 3 years $21M, and thought it could go as high as $27M.
But really, he's just a name. Insert any other 31-year-old plus OF-DH who might take a short-term $4-8M a year contract (but he better be an every day player if he's at the top end of that range)..

[Jopal78]

8 hours ago, UpandIn said:

That seems incredibly unrealistic for a player who will be 32, has played over 96 games TWICE in his career.

He's a nice player...when healthy. That's not often. And it really seems to be at odds with the "trade Renfroe for salary" argument you've made...fairly regularly. 

 

All I’m saying is, it would be a pretty bad trip through free agency for Mitch Haniger if he had to settle for a 5 million dollar payday. 
 

These proposals are fun, but there’s no probablility to a hypothesis where a quality veteran hitter signs somewhere for less than 10 million, and I think that number will track even higher this off season due to a weaker free agent class. 
 

And yes, the difference in production in my opinion between Mitchell/Frelick and Hunter Renfroe isn’t worth 11 million. The Brewers would improve their team more rolling with one of those rookies in RF, moving on from Renfroe and adding using that 11 million as part of an offer for  a DH/1B like Jose Abreu, than simply running it back with Renfroe in ‘23.

[Robocaller]

10 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

 And yes, the difference in production in my opinion between Mitchell/Frelick and Hunter Renfroe isn’t worth 11 million. 

It might surprise you, but other folks think that's unlikely. Most rookies suck when they're rookies. That fact seems to have eluded you. IMO, you only move on from Renfroe if you're giving up on 2023, in which case Burnes and Woodruff should be traded.

 

[Jopal78]

6 hours ago, Robocaller said:

It might surprise you, but other folks think that's unlikely. Most rookies suck when they're rookies. That fact seems to have eluded you. IMO, you only move on from Renfroe if you're giving up on 2023, in which case Burnes and Woodruff should be traded.

 

Where did they finish this year? 7th amongst 15 teams. 
 

I get it: counting stats (especially homers) are cool.  But the Brewers tried having a bunch of players with a sub .320 OBP and 30 homers,  and the teams was not good enough to make the post season despite having a Cy Young  winner fronting their rotation. 
 

Why try the same thing next year and expect different results? There’s no guarantee their pitching  will be more healthy next year.

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

But the Brewers tried having a bunch of players with a sub .320 OBP and 30 homers,  and the teams was not good enough to make the post season despite having a Cy Young  winner fronting their rotation. 

The Brewers offense scored 725 runs this season. SDP (705), CLE (698), SEA (690) and TBR (666) all made the playoffs scoring fewer runs.

Brewers batters posted a 103 wRC+ this season. SDP (102), TBR (101) and CLE (99) all made the playoffs with a lower wRC+.

Brewers position players tallied 24.3 WAR this season. SEA (23.0), CLE (21.8), PHI (21.7), SDP (21.3) and TBR (19.9) all made the playoffs with lower position player WAR.

Brewers pitchers allowed 688 runs this season. All twelve of the playoff teams allowed fewer runs.

Brewers pitchers posted a 3.92 FIP this season. Only STL (3.94) had a higher FIP among playoff teams.

Brewers pitchers tallied 15.6 rWAR this season. Only TOR (14.4) had less rWAR among playoff teams.

Our offense was much closer to playoff calibre than our pitching was this season, even with last year’s Cy Young winner fronting the rotation.

[Robocaller]

6 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Where did they finish this year? 7th amongst 15 teams. 
 

I get it: counting stats (especially homers) are cool.  But the Brewers tried having a bunch of players with a sub .320 OBP and 30 homers,  and the teams was not good enough to make the post season despite having a Cy Young  winner fronting their rotation. 
 

Why try the same thing next year and expect different results? There’s no guarantee their pitching  will be more healthy next year.

If you really believe the things you are posting, there's no reason to discuss this particular issue with you.

 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, Robocaller said:

If you really believe the things you are posting, there's no reason to discuss this particular issue with you.

 

Ha. From the poster who proposes signing Mitch Haniger for 5 million, and getting Taylor Rogers to take a 50% pay cut to return to Milwaukee. 
 

If you truly believe this, then there’s no reason to discuss this topic with you further. 

[Team Canada]

Perfect, then no need to discuss those points further. But at least everyone can make smug points and feel good about themselves.

[Robocaller]

17 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Ha. From the poster who proposes signing Mitch Haniger for 5 million, and getting Taylor Rogers to take a 50% pay cut to return to Milwaukee. 
 

If you truly believe this, then there’s no reason to discuss this topic with you further. 

Deal.