Illinois at Wisconsin 10/01

[nate82]

Badgers looking flat again.  This has to be the least prepared team I have seen in a long time.

[HarryDoyle]

I don't think anyone here cares about this team any more to get involved with a game thread, hence nobody starting one until the second half. We all know how the season will end. MAYBE winning the west division and getting trampled by OSU, then going on to play in the Bob and Harry's Polytechnical Institute and Convenience Store Who Gives a Crap Bowl.

[nate82]

On the verge of getting blown out at home against Illinois but we do not have a head coaching problem.

[homer]

That was a total cheap shot #30 just took on Lewis. Zero reason he had to go that low.

[HarryDoyle]

I'm just watching to hear the boos now.

[adambr2]

They were never quite a powerhouse, but the long era of Wisconsin being a relevant football program is over. 

[nate82]

This team looks completely demoralized and uninterested in playing today.  I wouldn’t be surprised if this team only wins one or two more games this year.

[pitchleague]

This is really difficult to watch.

Unfortunate. . . .

 

[nate82]

I just want to hear a fire PC chant.

[DuWayne Steurer]

if they're this bad against Illinois at home, a 6-6 bowl game is gonna be a stretch.... not like that should be the goal.

[PeaveyFury]

28 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I just want to hear a fire PC chant.

You've been vehemently leading the 'Fire Chryst' bandwagon for years now, despite the generally good results on the field (perhaps other than this year). I can't be the only one that has noticed the forcefulness of your opinion and wondered if there's a backstory here... care to share?

[MrTPlush]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

I don't think anyone here cares about this team any more to get involved with a game thread, hence nobody starting one until the second half. We all know how the season will end. MAYBE winning the west division and getting trampled by OSU, then going on to play in the Bob and Harry's Polytechnical Institute and Convenience Store Who Gives a Crap Bowl.

Winning the west division? Lol…they don’t even deserve that muttered as they chill in last place. They have a real shot at not even being bowl eligible.

A program can go south in the blink of an eye in football. Badger fans better hope that isn’t what they are witnessing.

[adambr2]

Chryst is definitely on his way out, it's a matter of when, not if. 

The issues here run deeper than just Chryst, though. There needs to be a great deal of internal reflection as a program right now to try to figure out how they got here and what they need to do to right the ship, because they're not in a good spot. 

I don't expect them to ever really be in a position to compete with big dogs like OSU, but it wasn't that long ago that UW at least found itself in contention for a NY6 bowl on a very regular basis. 

They're not even close to that spot right now. It's a pretty dark time as a program. 

[homer]

The 2021 recruiting class was one of the best UW has ever had.

[Fear The Chorizo]

26 minutes ago, homer said:

The 2021 recruiting class was one of the best UW has ever had.

I think 2020 and 2019 were way up there based on badger standards, too...and yet here they are sitting 2-3 and looking like they'll be lucky to win 6 games.

[UpandIn]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

Chryst is definitely on his way out, it's a matter of when, not if. 

The issues here run deeper than just Chryst, though. There needs to be a great deal of internal reflection as a program right now to try to figure out how they got here and what they need to do to right the ship, because they're not in a good spot. 

I don't expect them to ever really be in a position to compete with big dogs like OSU, but it wasn't that long ago that UW at least found itself in contention for a NY6 bowl on a very regular basis. 

They're not even close to that spot right now. It's a pretty dark time as a program. 

Paul Chryst is ALMOST certainly not getting fired. 

There's a real selective memory here. We were in a Rose Bowl in 2019. 

Right after his 2nd and 3rd Rose Bowl, Alvarez had a 3 year run where he went 20-19 overall. Nobody wanted him fired.

 

[LouisEly]

Looked great on the first two drives, then got screwed over on at least a half-dozen horrible calls and non-calls, then lost two key players on cheap shots where there was no reason to go low, then the defense got gassed from being on the field so long, and then fell apart.

Need to figure out O-Line real quick. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

16 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Looked great on the first two drives, then got screwed over on at least a half-dozen horrible calls and non-calls, then lost two key players on cheap shots where there was no reason to go low, then the defense got gassed from being on the field so long, and then fell apart.

Need to figure out O-Line real quick. 

They got blown out at home against Illinois, thats really all that matters. If the Badgers were even the top 25 program weve grown accustomed to assuming is the baseline for the Badgers over the past 15 years all of the things you mentioned could've happened and they would've still won by at least two scores.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, UpandIn said:

Paul Chryst is ALMOST certainly not getting fired. 

There's a real selective memory here. We were in a Rose Bowl in 2019. 

Right after his 2nd and 3rd Rose Bowl, Alvarez had a 3 year run where he went 20-19 overall. Nobody wanted him fired.

 

Yeah I just don't agree with this assessment or comparison at all. First, I would say that saying nobody wanted Alvarez fired after 2002 is also selective memory in itself and easy to say when no one would remember by now anyway. You're talking 20 years ago, it's just different on so many levels, we were still not as established as a consistent year to year top 15-20 team like we were 5 to 10 years ago, we were still in a way trying to establish footing as a program. In addition no there was probably not as much outcry for Alvarez to be fired given that social media was far more primitive. 

Chryst has been largely disappointing since 2017, he had one season in 2019 which could be deemed successful with the Rose Bowl appearance in 2019-20, but a single Rose Bowl loss 3 years ago in what was still a 4 loss season is not enough to save his job in which the seat was already warming up heading into this season. 

I doubt he will be replaced during the season regardless of the outcomes the rest of this year, but I see virtually no chance he is coaching the Badgers in September of 2023. 

 

 

[homer]

3 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I think 2020 and 2019 were way up there based on badger standards, too...and yet here they are sitting 2-3 and looking like they'll be lucky to win 6 games.

right. but people are bringing up recruiting budgets, enrollment standards etc. it's something else this year. 

[nate82]

7 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

You've been vehemently leading the 'Fire Chryst' bandwagon for years now, despite the generally good results on the field (perhaps other than this year). I can't be the only one that has noticed the forcefulness of your opinion and wondered if there's a backstory here... care to share?

Hasn't been forceful at all.  The teams just fall completely apart under PC.  Washington St (2022), Illinois (2019, 2022),  Oregon (2019), BYU (2018), and Minnesota (2018, 2021) these are all games where the team absolutely fell apart or looked completely unprepared to play.  

This has been happening for awhile now.  If something or anything goes wrong in a game PC can't coach around it he can't even get his team back into a game.  If the team goes down early there won't be a rally in the second half it is basically all but over.  He is a good coach against bad teams in college but is completely horrible once he has to face competition who are close to being equal.  He is just not a good coach against good teams and his record shows this he is 10-16 against top 25 teams.  It is time to move on and this should be his last season.  

I don't even care if the Badgers never win a national championship all I am asking for is for them to be competitive in the games they play and PC has not been for awhile now.  That 10-16 record against top 25 teams should tell us all we need to know about Chryst.  He is not a good head coach.  

[UpandIn]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Yeah I just don't agree with this assessment or comparison at all. First, I would say that saying nobody wanted Alvarez fired after 2002 is also selective memory in itself and easy to say when no one would remember by now anyway. You're talking 20 years ago, it's just different on so many levels, we were still not as established as a consistent year to year top 15-20 team like we were 5 to 10 years ago, we were still in a way trying to establish footing as a program. In addition no there was probably not as much outcry for Alvarez to be fired given that social media was far more primitive. 

Chryst has been largely disappointing since 2017, he had one season in 2019 which could be deemed successful with the Rose Bowl appearance in 2019-20, but a single Rose Bowl loss 3 years ago in what was still a 4 loss season is not enough to save his job in which the seat was already warming up heading into this season. 

I doubt he will be replaced during the season regardless of the outcomes the rest of this year, but I see virtually no chance he is coaching the Badgers in September of 2023. 

 

 

First of all...I'd assume it'd go without saying that when I say "nobody" was calling for the firing of Alvarez, I don't mean LITERALLY nobody was. 

Second...yeah, I do remember. Badgers fans were most definitely NOT calling for Barry Alvarez to be fired after 3 years of .500 football. 

With regard to Chryst being fired...I just don't see it. I guess we'll have to see. 

[UpandIn]

14 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Hasn't been forceful at all.  The teams just fall completely apart under PC.  Washington St (2022), Illinois (2019, 2022),  Oregon (2019), BYU (2018), and Minnesota (2018, 2021) these are all games where the team absolutely fell apart or looked completely unprepared to play.  

This has been happening for awhile now.  If something or anything goes wrong in a game PC can't coach around it he can't even get his team back into a game.  If the team goes down early there won't be a rally in the second half it is basically all but over.  He is a good coach against bad teams in college but is completely horrible once he has to face competition who are close to being equal.  He is just not a good coach against good teams and his record shows this he is 10-16 against top 25 teams.  It is time to move on and this should be his last season.  

I don't even care if the Badgers never win a national championship all I am asking for is for them to be competitive in the games they play and PC has not been for awhile now.  That 10-16 record against top 25 teams should tell us all we need to know about Chryst.  He is not a good head coach.  

I'm not going through each game, but just off memory, that Oregon game, how'd they "fall apart?"

I remember them giving up a defensive TD to give up the lead, then came back and scored two TDs before Herbert ran for his 3rd score of the day(pretty much the only way they could score). 

They lost a 28-27 game to Justin Herbert's 12-2 Ducks team. 

Washington State...they were driving and Cundiff fumbled...late in the 4th Quarter. That's not really falling apart. 

I don't really know what the 10-26 record vs top 25 teams is meant to tell us. I guess there are just people who have different expectations from this program than I do. I root for 10 wins, maybe in a good year they finish top 10, an average year in the top 25 and then I know there are going to be down years when they're SO bad they're...an 8 or 9 win team. I can live with that and I don't think that's really changing no matter who the coach is. Not unless you have fundamental changes in the admission standards and the pool of talent in-state. 

 

I think maybe people elevated their expectations a little TOO high because of Mertz and he's not only failed to live up to them...but he's been worse than pretty much any QB they've had in a long time. 

[AKCheesehead]

I’m so glad I had to work today now knowing how the game went. I was bummed to be missing it at the time. I’m just pissed that big doofus came and beat us. 

[LouisEly]

17 hours ago, nate82 said:

 That 10-16 record against top 25 teams should tell us all we need to know about Chryst.  He is not a good head coach.  

Since 2017, Michigan is 10-14 against top 25 teams.  Iowa is 8-10.  Penn State is 9-13.  Michigan State is 9-10.  Minnesota is 3-9.

The only teams with winning records against top-25 teams are perennial top-5/10 teams.