Game 3: Packers @ Tampa - Sunday, September 25th 3:25 CT

[LouisEly]

16 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

And our LT half the game.

And Jaire Alexander for all but the first defensive series

 

[OldHeidelberg]

4 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

I mean I don't care, because it is consistent...I just think the entire explanation is really stretching the reality.

Yeah, and Brady was a tick later than the usual snap at 0, it could have been called. I just think if it's close play on, it's normally not that significant. 

[HarveysWBs]

Bottom line, when the schedule came out, this is one just about everyone chalked up as an L.  Now it’s in the win bank, and a head to head tiebreaker.  Those are both unequivocally good things.

If this offense looks like this in two months, I’ll share everyone’s concerns.  I’m not panicking yet—I’m just happy to steal one.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

39 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I never thought winning in Tampa would feel this unsatisfying. Pretty gross performance. Defense played fine other than the last drive I guess. 

Doesn't feel like this result holds if Evans and Godwin are available on the other side. 

You're overthinking it. It's a road win against a quality opponent and September. No one will be the same in January. Just win the games, the style points don't matter. 

[adambr2]

9 hours ago, DuWayne Steurer said:

we were missing Watson and Watkins. 

I mean...Evans and Godwin are both pro bowl caliber receivers and the 1A and 1B of the Bucs offensive weapons. Watkins is...a body. If he doesn't play for us ever again he wouldn't really be missed. Just not really a comparison. 

Maybe Watson can reach that kind of level of importance to us, but he's obviously not there yet. 

[adambr2]

8 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I am fine with how they handle the play clock expiring, it's always been that way, We have enough play stoppage as it is, then you add reviews to that? No thanks.

I am actually with the "enforce the actual play clock" crowd on this one. The current method of enforcement is just bizarre and arbitrary.  Sometimes they don't get any extra time at all, sometimes they get a full second. I am not in favor of anything that gives officials more control than they already have. Enforce the 40 second play clock. If it's simultaneous at the snap and :00, fine, let them have it. If it's anything more, blow the whistle. You can't tell me in an era where they can tell if a player was in bounds by one blade of grass that they can't find a way to enforce this. 

Not worried about additional stoppages. If it starts being enforced, teams will be forced to adjust like with everything else.

[DuWayne Steurer]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I mean...Evans and Godwin are both pro bowl caliber receivers and the 1A and 1B of the Bucs offensive weapons. Watkins is...a body. If he doesn't play for us ever again he wouldn't really be missed. Just not really a comparison. 

Maybe Watson can reach that kind of level of importance to us, but he's obviously not there yet. 

they're definitely key components of our offense. definitely not on the level of Evans etc, but just making the point that the Packers were missing pieces as well  

[Fear The Chorizo]

4 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I am actually with the "enforce the actual play clock" crowd on this one. The current method of enforcement is just bizarre and arbitrary.  Sometimes they don't get any extra time at all, sometimes they get a full second. I am not in favor of anything that gives officials more control than they already have. Enforce the 40 second play clock. If it's simultaneous at the snap and :00, fine, let them have it. If it's anything more, blow the whistle. You can't tell me in an era where they can tell if a player was in bounds by one blade of grass that they can't find a way to enforce this. 

Not worried about additional stoppages. If it starts being enforced, teams will be forced to adjust like with everything else.

Agreed - when the NFL is talking about putting a microchip in the ball to help with determining if it crosses the plane of a goal line, and has a replay system with enough cameras and slow motion to count the blades of grass while reviewing questionable calls on the field, the least they can do is make a delay of game call on the 40 second clock reviewable.  An easier way to do it would be for the replay official in the booth (or the play clock official who rewinds it between every down) to monitor just that presnap - if the clock goes to 00 before the snap, they just have to buzz down to whichever onfield official normally throws the flag on a delay of game, and it's an auto flag.

[homer]

I think this would be an easy thing to fix. Have the clock tied to a light on the side line so when clock hits zero the light goes on. Camera captures the light and a close up of the ball. if the light shows up before the ball moves, it's a penalty.

[SeaBass]

I 100% do not want my team's head coach wasting challenges on a stupid delay of game. It's 5 yards, man up and get on to the next play. And I thought we had learned by now, time and time again (Fail Mary etc.), do not put your team in a position where a referee's interpretation of a rule impacts the final score. If you're risking a delay of game in that crucial a moment you get what you deserve.

As this was all playing out I never felt like the Buc's chances of converting was any less likely because they lost 5 yards. I'm sure there's a few percentage points difference when the threat of running it in from 2 yard line exists but overall I was just as nervous about them trying from the 7. We've been smoked by teams in worse situations.

To me this is a non-issue.

[GAME05]

I like the idea of a microchip in the ball to see where the spot is, although the technology is mostly negated by having to figure out just when the player's knee was down.

I like the sideline light for the playclock idea. Or even a sound of some sort which kinda counts down the 2-1-0. NBA has that with their shot clock and they seem to be able to handle the difference between that buzzer and the ref's whistle.

[NBBrewFan]

16 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

I like the idea of a microchip in the ball to see where the spot is, although the technology is mostly negated by having to figure out just when the player's knee was down.

I like the sideline light for the playclock idea. Or even a sound of some sort which kinda counts down the 2-1-0. NBA has that with their shot clock and they seem to be able to handle the difference between that buzzer and the ref's whistle.

They'll add chips over each players uniform, chips chips chips everywhere.  That will allow them to monitor false starts in nanoseconds, illegal motion, everything. It will just be easier for when all players are replaced with robots or 3D virtual players.  No concussions then. 

[igor67]

I would guess you could time sync the chip in the ball with the TV broadcast to quickly figure out the correct spot.

[GAME05]

1 hour ago, NBBrewFan said:

It will just be easier for when all players are replaced with robots or 3D virtual players.  No concussions then. 

Maybe the whole field vibrates.

 

[homer]

I thought this was kinda funny:

 

[HarryDoyle]

Or we could just leave well enough alone. It was a half second difference. Everybody gets that much grace period to snap the ball. This is one big nothingburger.

[OldHeidelberg]

I get that it is easy to fix I am just not sure it is worthwhile. The play clock is to keep the game moving, there is no advantage to snapping the ball a half second late. At least not until Belichick finds an angle. Honestly, most of the times it is called the QB wasn't paying attention and the ball isn't even snapped. Sure, enforce it, make it easy to call, whatever. But absolutely do not make it reviewable. Again, it's not an attempt at cheating like most other penalties. It would be like allowing teams to challenge a guy lined up an inch in the neutral zone. 

 

On top of that Rodgers would lead the league by a mile in delays every year.

 

Back on the game saw the stats this morning and we really shut down the run. I don't really blame the D for the final 87 yard drive since that was typical stupid prevent D. Really nice win now that I have a day to absorb it.

[UpandIn]

14 hours ago, SeaBass said:

I 100% do not want my team's head coach wasting challenges on a stupid delay of game. It's 5 yards, man up and get on to the next play. And I thought we had learned by now, time and time again (Fail Mary etc.), do not put your team in a position where a referee's interpretation of a rule impacts the final score. If you're risking a delay of game in that crucial a moment you get what you deserve.

As this was all playing out I never felt like the Buc's chances of converting was any less likely because they lost 5 yards. I'm sure there's a few percentage points difference when the threat of running it in from 2 yard line exists but overall I was just as nervous about them trying from the 7. We've been smoked by teams in worse situations.

To me this is a non-issue.

I thought the extra 5 yards might even help them. Give them more room to operate. 

As for the call, it's really not a big deal to me. There's so much wiggle room with when the play clock starts EXACTLY and you're talking about split seconds. Aaron Rodgers did this multiple times yesterday. I'd have been annoyed if they didn't call the second because it was much more clear, but...just not something I care all that much about.

With the NBA shot clock, it's more about the defense forcing you into that situation. With the play clock in FB, it's usually about a late audible and the time is negligible and you're not really gaining an advantage over half a second.

[UpandIn]

10 hours ago, homer said:

I thought this was kinda funny:

 

That's...hilarious!

[Zad Fnark]

lol...

Buccaneers investigating after Aaron Rodgers’ cryptic Jumbotron comments (msn.com)

[Fear The Chorizo]

14 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I get that it is easy to fix I am just not sure it is worthwhile. The play clock is to keep the game moving, there is no advantage to snapping the ball a half second late. At least not until Belichick finds an angle. Honestly, most of the times it is called the QB wasn't paying attention and the ball isn't even snapped. Sure, enforce it, make it easy to call, whatever. But absolutely do not make it reviewable. Again, it's not an attempt at cheating like most other penalties. It would be like allowing teams to challenge a guy lined up an inch in the neutral zone. 

 

On top of that Rodgers would lead the league by a mile in delays every year.

 

Back on the game saw the stats this morning and we really shut down the run. I don't really blame the D for the final 87 yard drive since that was typical stupid prevent D. Really nice win now that I have a day to absorb it.

I think the offense sustaining scoring drives early really helped the D shut that run down, too.  Tampa wasn't able to keep feeding LF until the defense started wearing down in the heat.

Gary was a stud on Sunday, and I thought the DLine was stouter on run downs.  MLBs were better but still struggled at times in pass coverage - particularly against TEs running out breaking routes after a wr would clear out the corner.  That seems to be the gimme, big hole in the Barry zone defense, and it also seems to be where coverage breakdowns keep happening.  Have to think some of that is Walker and Savage being out of position/fooled too often.  I think I'd still like to see more man coverages that let defenders match up with their guy as the season wears on.

Walker had several blown assignments, but also had a better showing against the run..and that forced fumble 20 yards downfield on a wide out was his weekly "wow" play for a guy with his size being that far downfield making a game-changing play.

[igor67]

Clearly the Bucs haven't figured out that one should just tune Rodgers out. I wonder how much coaching time they wasted on looking over that trying to find a nonexistent tell. Bonus points to Rodgers though if the headgame is enough to cost the Bucs another win.

[UpandIn]

4 hours ago, Zad Fnark said:

lol...

Buccaneers investigating after Aaron Rodgers’ cryptic Jumbotron comments (msn.com)

I love Rodgers, but you're never quite sure with him. Was he just trying to get a reaction from Tampa...like he is right now? Is he just trying to be the smartest guy in the room(or field)? Did he pass on some insight that sealed the win...like "hey, have Dre play the flat."

But Tampa's talking about it and it's working...one way or another. So that's fun.

[UpandIn]

8 minutes ago, igor67 said:

Clearly the Bucs haven't figured out that one should just tune Rodgers out. I wonder how much coaching time they wasted on looking over that trying to find a nonexistent tell. Bonus points to Rodgers though if the headgame is enough to cost the Bucs another win.

It feels like he's just always kinda trolling people. The SECOND he said that thing about Atlas Shrugged, I knew he was just saying that to get Twitter all worked up. I wasn't AS sure this time, but I was a little skeptical he'd unlocked the play from the Jumbotron. 

 

[UpandIn]

6 hours ago, Zad Fnark said:

lol...

Buccaneers investigating after Aaron Rodgers’ cryptic Jumbotron comments (msn.com)

According to the Buccs sub-reddit, the Jumbotron showed the play they were going to run on Brady's tablet after the delay of game!

That'd be hilarious...and I'm very skeptical it's true because I'm not sure exactly when you'd have the tablet as it's not like you get a bunch of time in-between plays, but I guess after the TO...

That'd be funny. And also sad as I'm sure Tom Brady would have the ball boy deflate that man after that...and then claim he didn't know about it despite his phone explicating showing he instructed him to do so.