Jace Peterson

[wallus]

So how do we view Jace long term? He is going to be 33 next season and is having a career year defensively this year. Out of his surprising 1.9 War, 1.3 of it is from defense. According to my eye test, he has been really good at 3rd base. In past seasons, he has been mostly neutral to a slight negative defensively. 

Offensively he has been pretty darn consistent with an OPS in the low to mid 700s which isn't bad. In an ideal world, we keep him for another season and let him be a supper utility man with a lot of time at 3rd. I don't know if we would want to make him a full time starter at 3rd.

Next season he will be a free agent and I am sure he will want to get paid as much as possible being mostly a journeyman with modest career earnings.

What do we think about Jace?

[nate82]

1 minute ago, wallus said:

So how do we view Jace long term? He is going to be 33 next season and is having a career year defensively this year. Out of his surprising 1.9 War, 1.3 of it is from defense. According to my eye test, he has been really good at 3rd base. In past seasons, he has been mostly neutral to a slight negative defensively. 

Offensively he has been pretty darn consistent with an OPS in the low to mid 700s which isn't bad. In an ideal world, we keep him for another season and let him be a supper utility man with a lot of time at 3rd. I don't know if we would want to make him a full time starter at 3rd.

Next season he will be a free agent and I am sure he will want to get paid as much as possible being mostly a journeyman with modest career earnings.

What do we think about Jace?

I don't think the Brewers will have the payroll to be able to bring him back.  The best option really is to hope he signs for enough to get a 3rd pick out of it in free agency.  

[wallus]

6 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I don't think the Brewers will have the payroll to be able to bring him back.  The best option really is to hope he signs for enough to get a 3rd pick out of it in free agency.  

What kind of contract is he going to command? I honestly have no clue but certainly would not break the bank for him. 

[nate82]

16 minutes ago, wallus said:

What kind of contract is he going to command? I honestly have no clue but certainly would not break the bank for him. 

Probably something like what La Stella got from the Giants.  So something like 3-years $18m.  Which wouldn't get a 3rd round pick if he signs that this off season.  I think La Stella is a good comp for Peterson for the max he would get.  So somewhere around $5-6m a season  

[Brewcrew82]

Brice Turang is your Jace Peterson replacement, so long as he doesn't get traded at the deadline. 

[Robocaller]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

Probably something like what La Stella got from the Giants.  So something like 3-years $18m.  Which wouldn't get a 3rd round pick if he signs that this off season.  I think La Stella is a good comp for Peterson for the max he would get.  So somewhere around $5-6m a season  

La Stella's contract is weird 2.0, 5.25, and 11.5 M over 3 years. Does the team have an option on that last year? If so, I can't see them picking it up.

If you can't sign Jace  for 2 years $6-7M total, you shouldn't sign him.

 

[djoctagone]

11 hours ago, wallus said:

Next season he will be a free agent and I am sure he will want to get paid as much as possible being mostly a journeyman with modest career earnings.

to clarify, jace peterson will be eligible for free agency at the conclusion of the 2022 world series.

[Brewcrew82]

Brewers need to think about making Jace Peterson the everyday third baseman (against RHP) and moving Urias to second. Not only is Jace our best position player right now, but he's right up there with Arenado defensively. No more of this putting him in the outfield. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

12 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Brewers need to think about making Jace Peterson the everyday third baseman and moving Urias to second. Not only is Jace our best position player right now, but he's right up there with Arenado defensively. No more of putting him in the outfield. 

We've had to endure an awful lot of bad luck with both injuries & lack of production (Cain) in the OF to get to the point where Jace finds himself out there. I would also hope those days are largely behind him, esp once Renfroe returns.

What they decide to do in 2023 will be interesting. Peterson, for the first time, has wedged into the conversation as someone you might want to find a semi-everyday spot for. The financial comp w/LaStella sounds a little high to me. Even if he comes close to that we'll cut ties.

I can't resist throwing this in.........that drag bunt he executed Sunday vs Toronto was one of the truly beautiful moments of the season. Just gorgeous.

[LouisEly]

22 hours ago, nate82 said:

Probably something like what La Stella got from the Giants.  So something like 3-years $18m.  Which wouldn't get a 3rd round pick if he signs that this off season.  I think La Stella is a good comp for Peterson for the max he would get.  So somewhere around $5-6m a season  

La Stella had an OPS >.800 in three of the prior four years before he signed that contract (2017, 2019, 2020).  That's why he got 3/$18M.  Peterson does not have that on his resume.  I don't see anyone giving Peterson more than 2/$8M if that.

[torts]

Byeeeee

[Jopal78]

On 6/29/2022 at 11:27 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

Brice Turang is your Jace Peterson replacement, so long as he doesn't get traded at the deadline. 

.679 OPS in AAA. He won’t see the majors until he proves he can hit AAA pitching. 
 

As for Peterson, he’s probably gone as a free agent unless he’s willing to accept a bargain rate deal, because  they could get 80% of Jace Petersen’s production from someone like Pablo Reyes for the league minimum.

[nate82]

4 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

.679 OPS in AAA. He won’t see the majors until he proves he can hit AAA pitching. 
 

But he can hit AAA pitching.  Hitting for a higher OPS would be nice but he can definitely hit AAA pitching it is just not for power.  If he couldn't hit AAA pitching he would have a batting average below .200.  

Your opinion is false here.  

[djoctagone]

6 minutes ago, nate82 said:

But (Turang) can hit AAA pitching.  Hitting for a higher OPS would be nice but he can definitely hit AAA pitching it is just not for power.  If he couldn't hit AAA pitching he would have a batting average below .200.  

Your opinion is false here.  

brice turang's isolated power is a measly .071. but when you consider his .277 batting average and .331 on-base percentage, he looks somewhat promising for a utility role.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

But he can hit AAA pitching.  Hitting for a higher OPS would be nice but he can definitely hit AAA pitching it is just not for power.  If he couldn't hit AAA pitching he would have a batting average below .200.  

Your opinion is false here.  

A .277 average and OBP of .333 in AAA in your opinion is definitely hitting? How much of that was done against the caliber of pitchers of Buehler, Kershaw, Musgrove, Scherzer, etc? It’s one thing to single of Josh Lindblom it’s another game to get hits of good MLB pitching.

Further, for some context, those numbers above are only marginally better than Pablo Reyes (.247/.324) who certainly isn’t regarded as a “hitter” and most Importantly Mark Mathias has far superior numbers (.336/.435). So again, besides having yourself some prospect love; there’s no logical reason to not make Turang play his way to major league roster.

[Brewcrew82]

8 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

A .277 average and OBP of .333 in AAA in your opinion is definitely hitting? How much of that was done against the caliber of pitchers of Buehler, Kershaw, Musgrove, Scherzer, etc? It’s one thing to single of Josh Lindblom it’s another game to get hits of good MLB pitching.

Further, for some context, those numbers above are only marginally better than Pablo Reyes (.247/.324) who certainly isn’t regarded as a “hitter” and most Importantly Mark Mathias has far superior numbers (.336/.435). So again, besides having yourself some prospect love; there’s no logical reason to play Turang in the majors anytime soon if they don’t have to.

I'll trust the prospect experts, who have consistently graded Turang's hitting tool as above average, over your opinion of whether or not Turang can hit. Besides, there's so much more to the game than hitting, and Turang does everything else at an above-average to elite level (other than hit for power). There's a reason the guy is a top 100 prospect. Given the salary commitments elsewhere on the roster, the simple fact is that Turang is likely to be your Jace Peterson replacement for next season. 

[Jopal78]

10 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'll trust the prospect experts, who have consistently graded Turang's hitting tool as above average, over your opinion of whether or not Turang can hit. Besides, there's so much more to the game than hitting, and Turang does everything else at an above-average to elite level (other than hit for power). There's a reason the guy is a top 100 prospect. Given the salary commitments elsewhere on the roster, the simple fact is that Turang is likely to be your Jace Peterson replacement for next season. 

I would hope the Brewers have higher aspirations for a former first round pick then promoting him to the majors to be a utility bench player.

[Robocaller]

13 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I would hope the Brewers have higher aspirations for a former first round pick then promoting him to the majors to be a utility bench player.

keeping him at AAA is a higher aspiration?  

[Brewcrew82]

13 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I would hope the Brewers have higher aspirations for a former first round pick then promoting him to the majors to be a utility bench player.

This isn't 1960. Utility players like Peterson are virtually every day players. It would be no different with Turang. 

[Jopal78]

10 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

This isn't 1960. Utility players like Peterson are virtually every day players. It would be no different with Turang. 

Like I said, unless he’s reached his ceiling in AAA (which I hope isn’t the case), why call up a first round pick to be overmatched at the plate and  not okay everyday?

[Brewcrew82]

32 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Like I said, unless he’s reached his ceiling in AAA (which I hope isn’t the case), why call up a first round pick to be overmatched at the plate and  not okay everyday?

I don't think he would be overmatched. And he's got quite some time to develop between now and the beginning of next season. He's not that far off regardless with a .277 average and .335 OBP in AAA. Finally, if Jace Peterson's at-bats and games played this season are any indication, he will be an "everyday player". 

[mtsportsfan]

On 7/1/2022 at 10:42 PM, Jopal78 said:

I would hope the Brewers have higher aspirations for a former first round pick then promoting him to the majors to be a utility bench player.

Unfortunately that seems to be the ceiling for our drafted position players lately !