Suggested roster moves

[edfunderburk]

 

Before Tuesday …

Perdomo to the 60-day IL

Add Dahl to 40-man & 26-man roster

Send Hiura back to Nashville

 

Add Wong to roster

Send Reyes back to Nashville

 

Add Woodruff to roster

Send Rodriguez to Nashville or DFA

 

Soon …

Add Ashby to roster 

Send Kelley back to Nashville

 

[Brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

 

Before Tuesday …

Perdomo to the 60-day IL

Add Dahl to 40-man & 26-man roster

Send Hiura back to Nashville

 

Add Wong to roster

Send Reyes back to Nashville

 

Add Woodruff to roster

Send Rodriguez to Nashville or DFA

 

Soon …

Add Ashby to roster 

Send Kelley back to Nashville

 

Agree on all counts except for the Dahl and Hiura swap. Dahl's play in AAA, while solid, isn't at a level where the Brewers have no choice but to clear a roster spot for him. Meanwhile, Hiura has done enough, especially against right-handers, to warrant a roster spot for now. 

[edfunderburk]

39 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Agree on all counts except for the Dahl and Hiura swap. Dahl's play in AAA, while solid, isn't at a level where the Brewers have no choice but to clear a roster spot for him. Meanwhile, Hiura has done enough, especially against right-handers, to warrant a roster spot for now. 

I was thinking we need an outfielder with Renfroe out again … Dahl is a good defender while Hiura is not good in any defensive position 

 

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I was thinking we need an outfielder with Renfroe out again … Dahl is a good defender while Hiura is not good in any defensive position 

 

We can get by for the next 10-14 days or so with Yelich, Taylor, Davis, and McCutchen as our outfield options, given that Peterson also needs playing time and will likely feature there now as well with Wong's return. Not sure about the good defender part with Dahl either. Every stat I've seen from his time in Colorado and Texas says below average. 

[edfunderburk]

23 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

We can get by for the next 10-14 days or so with Yelich, Taylor, Davis, and McCutchen as our outfield options, given that Peterson also needs playing time and will likely feature there now as well with Wong's return. Not sure about the good defender part with Dahl either. Every stat I've seen from his time in Colorado and Texas says below average. 

Compared to Hiura, Dahl is LoCain

[CheeseheadInQC]

I know Dahl had some measure of success if Colorado, but that was several years ago and he hasn't been overwhelming this season at Triple-A. Almonte has been better than him (as was Hiura in his short Triple-A stint). Given that they have similar platoon splits (neither hits lefties), I'd just stick with Hiura at this point.

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I know Dahl had some measure of success if Colorado, but that was several years ago and he hasn't been overwhelming this season at Triple-A. Almonte has been better than him (as was Hiura in his short Triple-A stint). Given that they have similar platoon splits (neither hits lefties), I'd just stick with Hiura at this point.

The fact they called up Jonathan Davis before Dahl speaks volumes about what the Brass think of David Dahl. 

[BruisedCrew]

Looking longer term, I think Hiura is generally a wasted roster spot if he can’t hit LHP. Even against RHP with his impressive OPS in 64 PA, he has K’d close to half the time (28/64). So, when and where do you play him when Adames, Wong, Tellez, Peterson, Brosseau, and Urias are all available? The obvious spot would be 1B against LHP, but he is unproductive in that role. 
 

What the team really needs is a right handed hitting first baseman who can hit LHP and also play corner OF in a pinch. I suspect this is one of Stearns primary targets as the trading deadline approaches. Trey Mancini still looks good to me.

Maybe Hiura could be a throw in piece in a trade; a team with no playoff ambition might be willing to give him some regular playing time to see if that and a change of scenery will help him release the hitting skills he has shown in the past.

I also don’t see Davis as a long term solution to anything. He might be able to scratch out some hits like he has so far, but I don’t think he provides the kind of offense you want from the OF positions. 

[djoctagone]

some decisions need to be made as hunter renfroe and tyrone taylor are eligible to come off the injured list.

--will the brewers carry three catchers?

--will the brewers make andrew mccutchen their backup center fielder and dfa jonathan davis?

--with the all-star break looming, will the brewers pare down to a 12-man pitching staff for the short term?

--will mike brosseau or keston hiura be sent on optional assignment?

[Jim French Stepstool]

21 hours ago, djoctagone said:

some decisions need to be made as hunter renfroe and tyrone taylor are eligible to come off the injured list.

--will the brewers carry three catchers?

--will the brewers make andrew mccutchen their backup center fielder and dfa jonathan davis?

--with the all-star break looming, will the brewers pare down to a 12-man pitching staff for the short term?

--will mike brosseau or keston hiura be sent on optional assignment?

Been wondering the same thing regarding the addition of Renfroe/Taylor.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to include one of the catchers and/or Hiura as they talk trade possibilities with other teams. Obviously these guys aren't trade headliners but the roster is really disjointed with 3 catchers and Hiura has, I suspect, gotten at least a bit of notice with his recent production.

I do think McCutchen will be the backup CF for the foreseeable future, which concerns me. Greatly.

[monty57]

I don't want to keep sounding like a Hiura apologist, but he does still have a ton of potential if he can put it together, so he should get more opportunity than some journeyman utility IF or AAAA guy.

It's very limited, but in the 28 innings he's had in LF, he has a UZR/150 of 18.4. Just because he is an historically bad second baseman doesn't mean he can't learn to be a decent corner OF. Nothing really can be garnered by looking at 28 innings of defense, but it's a lot better that he has been good in those 28 innings than bad. Making statements like "compared to Hiura, Dahl is LoCain" doesn't seem to be based on anything other than the belief that because he's a bad 2B he must be a bad fielder anywhere he plays.

As to his hitting, I know he strikes out a lot, but he has an OPS of 1.069 and a wRC+ of 194 vs RHP this season. He should be playing over everyone else against RHP unless he proves this to be a fluke. He was drafted and came through the minors as a "pure hitter." He stumbled in the crazy 2020 campaign, and that carried over into 2021, but it is entirely possible that a guy who has always been a great hitter can remember how to hit.

Hiura has been given extremely sporadic playing time vs RHP, and even with that he has continued to destroy them all season. It looks like Counsell is finally starting to give in, and is giving him some starts vs righties, and I'm glad for it. It is entirely possible that he fails, but I'm rooting for him, because if he can "find it," even if it is only against RHP, he could be a huge upgrade to our offense for the next several years. 

So for my "suggested roster move," it's to find a spot for Hiura in the "vs RHP" lineup. 

[djoctagone]

after the all-star break, you're looking at only six weeks or so where you're limited to 26 players. they will have 33 games (one being the second game of a doubleheader) in september/october with a 28-man roster.

[brewers888]

23 minutes ago, monty57 said:

I don't want to keep sounding like a Hiura apologist, but he does still have a ton of potential if he can put it together, so he should get more opportunity than some journeyman utility IF or AAAA guy.

It's very limited, but in the 28 innings he's had in LF, he has a UZR/150 of 18.4. Just because he is an historically bad second baseman doesn't mean he can't learn to be a decent corner OF. Nothing really can be garnered by looking at 28 innings of defense, but it's a lot better that he has been good in those 28 innings than bad. Making statements like "compared to Hiura, Dahl is LoCain" doesn't seem to be based on anything other than the belief that because he's a bad 2B he must be a bad fielder anywhere he plays.

As to his hitting, I know he strikes out a lot, but he has an OPS of 1.069 and a wRC+ of 194 vs RHP this season. He should be playing over everyone else against RHP unless he proves this to be a fluke. He was drafted and came through the minors as a "pure hitter." He stumbled in the crazy 2020 campaign, and that carried over into 2021, but it is entirely possible that a guy who has always been a great hitter can remember how to hit.

Hiura has been given extremely sporadic playing time vs RHP, and even with that he has continued to destroy them all season. It looks like Counsell is finally starting to give in, and is giving him some starts vs righties, and I'm glad for it. It is entirely possible that he fails, but I'm rooting for him, because if he can "find it," even if it is only against RHP, he could be a huge upgrade to our offense for the next several years. 

So for my "suggested roster move," it's to find a spot for Hiura in the "vs RHP" lineup. 

For all the hate that Keston gets from most fans he has been great against righties and overall probably our best hitter this season. Let Keston be the full time DH and not just give him away for a rental. 

[torts]

MORE KESTDADDY 

MORE MCCLUTCH

[nate82]

45 minutes ago, monty57 said:

I don't want to keep sounding like a Hiura apologist, but he does still have a ton of potential if he can put it together, so he should get more opportunity than some journeyman utility IF or AAAA guy.

It's very limited, but in the 28 innings he's had in LF, he has a UZR/150 of 18.4. Just because he is an historically bad second baseman doesn't mean he can't learn to be a decent corner OF. Nothing really can be garnered by looking at 28 innings of defense, but it's a lot better that he has been good in those 28 innings than bad. Making statements like "compared to Hiura, Dahl is LoCain" doesn't seem to be based on anything other than the belief that because he's a bad 2B he must be a bad fielder anywhere he plays.

As to his hitting, I know he strikes out a lot, but he has an OPS of 1.069 and a wRC+ of 194 vs RHP this season. He should be playing over everyone else against RHP unless he proves this to be a fluke. He was drafted and came through the minors as a "pure hitter." He stumbled in the crazy 2020 campaign, and that carried over into 2021, but it is entirely possible that a guy who has always been a great hitter can remember how to hit.

Hiura has been given extremely sporadic playing time vs RHP, and even with that he has continued to destroy them all season. It looks like Counsell is finally starting to give in, and is giving him some starts vs righties, and I'm glad for it. It is entirely possible that he fails, but I'm rooting for him, because if he can "find it," even if it is only against RHP, he could be a huge upgrade to our offense for the next several years. 

So for my "suggested roster move," it's to find a spot for Hiura in the "vs RHP" lineup. 

Unless the Brewers pickup Bell I think Hiura at DH makes the most sense against RHP.  The best option would be to get Mancini and have him be the 1B against LHP and let Tellez have a few days off here and there.  Mancini is also decent against RHP so he can play some DH or 1B if Tellez needs a day off.  

The only other problem to fix would be CF but if you add someone like Mancini or Bell that problem is not that big of a deal as you can just put whoever is in CF in the bottom half of the lineup.  The Brewers really need a high average hitter to stick at the #3 spot.  A high average hitter is what this team really needs especially in the middle of the lineup moving Tellez to the #4 or #5 spot and having Renfroe back will help the offense out but adding a high average hitter in the middle of that will help out even more. 

I think going forward the Brewers need to play Wong only against RHP and have Brosseau playing 3B on those days with Urias playing 2B. 

[monty57]

53 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I think going forward the Brewers need to play Wong only against RHP and have Brosseau playing 3B on those days with Urias playing 2B. 

From the "eye test," Wong seems to have taken a step back this year, but I hadn't really looked at the numbers. For his career, he has posted a .657 OPS, 80 wRC+ vs LHP, and .748/104 vs RHP. This season, he is at .343 OPS / 10 wRC+ vs LHP and .837 / 131 vs RHP. So yeah, he shouldn't be starting against LHP.

His fielding has also turned negative across the board, including a -9.7 UZR/150. There is no reason to keep him on the field for his glove anymore. Different topic, but he's making it pretty easy to give him the $2M buyout after this season and save $8M to use elsewhere next year.

Urias (.844 OPS/137 wRC+) at 2B and Brosseau (1.010 OPS/182 wRC+ vs LHP) at 3B seems to be a no brainer when a lefty is starting.

[KeithStone53151]

29 minutes ago, monty57 said:

From the "eye test," Wong seems to have taken a step back this year, but I hadn't really looked at the numbers. For his career, he has posted a .657 OPS, 80 wRC+ vs LHP, and .748/104 vs RHP. This season, he is at .343 OPS / 10 wRC+ vs LHP and .837 / 131 vs RHP. So yeah, he shouldn't be starting against LHP.

His fielding has also turned negative across the board, including a -9.7 UZR/150. There is no reason to keep him on the field for his glove anymore. Different topic, but he's making it pretty easy to give him the $2M buyout after this season and save $8M to use elsewhere next year.

Urias (.844 OPS/137 wRC+) at 2B and Brosseau (1.010 OPS/182 wRC+ vs LHP) at 3B seems to be a no brainer when a lefty is starting.

Even if Wong played to 95% of career norms, I think that was likely to happen anyways with how expensive the pitchers are going to get. Most likely next year they give Turang a shot at 2b, and by give him a shot...I mean add him to the roster and then give Jace 80% of the starts at 2b and wonder why Turang is only getting on base 1 time in his 7 PA in a given week.

[edfunderburk]

9 hours ago, monty57 said:

I don't want to keep sounding like a Hiura apologist, but he does still have a ton of potential if he can put it together, so he should get more opportunity than some journeyman utility IF or AAAA guy.

It's very limited, but in the 28 innings he's had in LF, he has a UZR/150 of 18.4. Just because he is an historically bad second baseman doesn't mean he can't learn to be a decent corner OF. Nothing really can be garnered by looking at 28 innings of defense, but it's a lot better that he has been good in those 28 innings than bad. Making statements like "compared to Hiura, Dahl is LoCain" doesn't seem to be based on anything other than the belief that because he's a bad 2B he must be a bad fielder anywhere he plays.

As to his hitting, I know he strikes out a lot, but he has an OPS of 1.069 and a wRC+ of 194 vs RHP this season. He should be playing over everyone else against RHP unless he proves this to be a fluke. He was drafted and came through the minors as a "pure hitter." He stumbled in the crazy 2020 campaign, and that carried over into 2021, but it is entirely possible that a guy who has always been a great hitter can remember how to hit.

Hiura has been given extremely sporadic playing time vs RHP, and even with that he has continued to destroy them all season. It looks like Counsell is finally starting to give in, and is giving him some starts vs righties, and I'm glad for it. It is entirely possible that he fails, but I'm rooting for him, because if he can "find it," even if it is only against RHP, he could be a huge upgrade to our offense for the next several years. 

So for my "suggested roster move," it's to find a spot for Hiura in the "vs RHP" lineup. 

Hiura’s arm in LF is as bad or worse than Yelich’s arm 

The Brewers need to trade for someone in the OF who is good defensively & a solid bat … or they don’t need to make a trade

I understand that Hiura has potential … but a change of scenery may do both parties well

[Robocaller]

1. Trade Severino. An A+ lottery ticket is sufficient.

2. Since they let Dahl go, acquire someone who can play CF well and at least hit .675 OPS (ideally much more). When Taylor returns he can split time around the OF.

3. Decide whether to have faith in the starting pitching or not (Burnes and Woodruff seem solid, but Lauer has regressed and Peralta might not be able to go deep in games; Houser has stalled, and Ashby has been inconsistent). If we don't have faith, acquire a starter.  If we have faith the starting pitching will sort itself out, acquire a RP who can go multiple innings.

4. Acquire a RP who we can slot with our 7-9th innings guys, giving the team more flexibility and a day off, even if we have multiple close games in a row.

[djoctagone]

On 7/10/2022 at 2:47 PM, djoctagone said:

some decisions need to be made as hunter renfroe and tyrone taylor are eligible to come off the injured list.

--with the all-star break looming, will the brewers pare down to a 12-man pitching staff for the short term?

i've been thinking about this a bit, and it makes sense to dfa chi chi gonzalez to open up a spot for one of the returning outfielders. buys the brewers some time to realign the pitching staff after the all-star break, and it opens up a spot on a roster that's currently at capacity.

[djoctagone]

On 7/10/2022 at 2:47 PM, djoctagone said:

some decisions need to be made as hunter renfroe and tyrone taylor are eligible to come off the injured list.

--will the brewers make andrew mccutchen their backup center fielder and dfa jonathan davis?

hunter renfroe is in tonight's starting lineup as the club's center fielder.

[Jim French Stepstool]

The more I look at it, the more unlikely it seems to me that they'll be able to upgrade CF via trade. This idea would've elicited a definite "no" from me up until a few days ago, but I'm beginning to wonder if they'll consider Frelick. He's been hitting since returning to the lineup.

[djoctagone]

a reminder that the brewers currently have a spot open on their active roster . . .

[monty57]

On 7/12/2022 at 5:58 PM, Jim French Stepstool said:

The more I look at it, the more unlikely it seems to me that they'll be able to upgrade CF via trade. This idea would've elicited a definite "no" from me up until a few days ago, but I'm beginning to wonder if they'll consider Frelick. He's been hitting since returning to the lineup.

It's not the craziest idea. It's not uncommon for players to make the jump from AA to the majors, and Frelick is 22 years old. His current line in Biloxi is .317 / .374 / .441 / .815. If I recall correctly, the salt air in Biloxi is kind of like San Diego where it's a little better for pitchers than hitters, for whatever that's worth.

[Brewcrew82]

34 minutes ago, monty57 said:

It's not the craziest idea. It's not uncommon for players to make the jump from AA to the majors, and Frelick is 22 years old. His current line in Biloxi is .317 / .374 / .441 / .815. If I recall correctly, the salt air in Biloxi is kind of like San Diego where it's a little better for pitchers than hitters, for whatever that's worth.

 

On 7/12/2022 at 5:58 PM, Jim French Stepstool said:

The more I look at it, the more unlikely it seems to me that they'll be able to upgrade CF via trade. This idea would've elicited a definite "no" from me up until a few days ago, but I'm beginning to wonder if they'll consider Frelick. He's been hitting since returning to the lineup.

Meh. Not quite sure the Brewers will go that direction. But I do like the idea of acquiring a Michael Taylor as more of a stopgap measure for the remainder of this season than having to sacrifice significant assets for a guy like Reynolds or Laureano.