Keep Brewerfan Beautiful; 3 Strike Discussion

[Brian the Automator]

It's a bri-ocracy.

 

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[BrewCrewForever]

I love this site and enjoy coming to in numerous times each day to discuss my #1 love and that is Brewers baseball. I will respect the authority of Brain and follow the rules set. Thanks Brian once again for creating this site for all of us to gather at.

[Jacob008]

I'd highly recommend new forum software. What you currently have does not at all lend itself well to a conversation format. Also, if you want the elite community you are looking for you need to embrace the fact that every post, and every poster, is not created equal. Currently, the only tools you have to deal with that fact is the much abused thread-locking and thread-moving tools, and the terribly misleading post count. There is useless stuff, and i mean phenomenally useless stuff, posted by dimwits, and blowhards which a casual user may give too much credit to based on a perceived reputation, and waste their time reading it. You need the best content and the best contributors to rise to the top, and you need a forum software solution that facilitates that.

 

You cannot create an elite community by holding onto the false notion that by asking people to behave more like the elites they can and will. As you've stated before this is not a democracy. The brewers.com forum is a democracy, and that's exactly what you don't want.

 

Good luck.

[Brian the Automator]

[ I'd highly recommend new forum software. ]

 

We're currently in the process of writing a sports-oriented forum software from scratch, for use both here and at LambeauLeap.net. I'm planning on building in a lot of tools to help achieve many of my goals for the site when that's complete.

 

[ The brewers.com forum is a democracy, and that's exactly what you don't want. ]

 

In some ways, it's worse than that. You'll often see that entire threads are deleted by moderators with no explanation whatsoever.

 

There's also, in my opinion, an over abundance of "naughty" words that get filtered out, that are pretty innocuous. Although, I'm sure the same would be said by some people here about certain words. Can't make all of the people happy all of the time...

[madcrewfan]

Are we talking about one-liners or one line posts? There is a difference. I think a good point can be made with a one line post, and I do that myself quite a bit on this site. Some of my favorite posts are only one line because they are generally a very witty and relevant response to the topic at hand. One-liners that have no point and are just trying to zing someone tend to be worthless though. I do agree that those who are just trying to build massive post counts (clearly this is not me http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif ) should be discouraged from doing so through one line posts though.

 

And to those who don't like the "elitist" atmosphere of this site, there are other sites out there that appeal to the masses with their trash talking, flaming, AOL language, etc. I like this site because it pretty much weeds out the riff raff. Some of the other sports sites I belong or have belonged to...not so much. I like that Brian tries to keep this site clean and have it maintain a high level of discourse.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Are we talking about one-liners or one line posts? There is a difference. I think a good point can be made with a one line post, and I do that myself quite a bit on this site. Some of my favorite posts are only one line because they are generally a very witty and relevant response to the topic at hand. One-liners that have no point and are just trying to zing someone tend to be worthless though. I do agree that those who are just trying to build massive post counts (clearly this is not me http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif ) should be discouraged from doing so through one line posts though. ]

 

More along the line of one-liners, you're absolutely right.

[lukevan]

A post like this was a long time coming.

 

Brewerfan.net is an awesome website and this forum is the best I've ever come across. My patience also waned at ESPN and it's refreshing to visit a forum that isn't littered with insults and non-sensical ramblings, and is littered with sane discussion, statistical wisdom and genuine shared Brewer love. Growing up in western Wisconsin made it hard to find a lot of die hard Brewer fans I could talk baseball with and Brewerfan.net has provided that.

[Big Reed]

my point about this being a store with customers rather than brian's house with guests should probably be rephrased.

 

usually, your hated aunt gives you a call before she visits, and you can either leave the house or lock the doors and pretend you're not home.. Brian may not like some posters, but he can't lock the doors to them. by doing so, he would lock the doors of this site to everyone.. he can ban sombody from posting, but he can't stop that banned person from browsing. Anybody can read the information provided on brewerfan whether they are a member, a former banned member or just somebody doing an internet search. This is not a restricted yahoo or MSN group that denies access to the public. Anybody can read what is printed here. Just like a Walmart, brian cannot prevent somebody from entering his store. If this was Brian's personal blog about the brewers, he could lock people out and password protect it. That's the difference between being a welcome guest allowed inside brian's house, and being a poster at brians' web site. one has a lock, the other doesn't.

 

it's been quite obvious in the past that people Brian has banned in the past still frequent his site. While they may no longer post, they still read the articles and the other posts, and then they either cut and paste, or they talk about the posts made here on other sites. Other sites also now provide links to brewerfan as their official source of information. people have more faith in brewerfan than they do in the mil Journal.

 

yes, Brian does incur the expenses to keep this website afloat. But i'm going to assume brian labels those expenses on his tax forms as Business expenses. As a business, Brian cannot discriminate. I can post. if this were Brian's house, he could refuse me entry. I doubt that he would. but at least he would have that right.

 

There is nothing wrong with establishishing a decorum and rules for a business. Many restaurants require their patrons to wear a suit and tie. 6 Flags now requires people to wear clothes inside their park rather than just bathing suits(it's actually a written posted rule). brian can post the rules and encourage his patrons to follow them. he can request patrons to sign consent forms. You can't go to the Miller factory and take a tour and just start drinking the beer for free. But there are also rules that apply to Brian. he found that out when brewerfan.com was stolen from him. People can't steal a house.

 

I think the one word Brian hates the most is the term elitist. I think brian hates that term because he doesn't feel that he is an elitist or that this site was created to be an elitist site. it's not like he charges people $10,000 to be members like they do at Augusta. he provides the site free of charge and all he asks is that people be civil towards each other and to try to talk intelligently. Does requiring a person to be civil and talk intelligent mean the site is elitist? I don't think so. however, once a word is used more than once to describe a place, the description - for better and for worse usually sticks. Being called elite isn't necessarily a bad term. it beats the heebeejeebees out of being called a Monitary Organizational National Archive and Depository of Brewers Licensed Information and Statistical Analysis (MONALISA).

[Brian the Automator]

[ it's been quite obvious in the past that people Brian has banned in the past still frequent his site. While they may no longer post, they still read the articles and the other posts, and then they either cut and paste, or they talk about the posts made here on other sites. Other sites also now provide links to brewerfan as their official source of information. people have more faith in brewerfan than they do in the mil Journal. ]

 

People who can't post messages on the site can't break any of the site's rules.

 

[ yes, Brian does incur the expenses to keep this website afloat. But i'm going to assume brian labels those expenses on his tax forms as Business expenses. As a business, Brian cannot discriminate. I can post. if this were Brian's house, he could refuse me entry. I doubt that he would. but at least he would have that right. ]

 

So removing somebody from a website for breaking the rules = discrimination? I know you're all about the drama, but I figured even you had limits.

 

[ There is nothing wrong with establishishing a decorum and rules for a business. Many restaurants require their patrons to wear a suit and tie. 6 Flags now requires people to wear clothes inside their park rather than just bathing suits(it's actually a written posted rule). brian can post the rules and encourage his patrons to follow them. he can request patrons to sign consent forms. You can't go to the Miller factory and take a tour and just start drinking the beer for free. But there are also rules that apply to Brian. he found that out when brewerfan.com was stolen from him. People can't steal a house. ]

 

What rules apply to me? I got sloppy and let the Brewerfan domain registration expire, and it got squatted. What's the connection?

 

Where are you going with this?

 

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.

 

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[TheBwaz]

Point of order, businesses can discriminate. They can refuse service to whomever they want provided they do not do so on the basis of race, religion, gender, sex or handicap. There are other states that expand on this. Other than those reasons, they can say to whoever they want.

 

I don't think the management is asking for too much here. Keep it civil, no flame wars, lay off the curses, and try to contribute something subtansive. The house makes the rules. Either live by the rules or take your business elsewhere.

 

I miss the lemur pictures though. Can that be my complaint?

 

For those of us predisposed to the witty responses and non sequitur one liners, try the in game chat. It rocks.

[vacin8r]

ROFLMAO, i abso-F#$*%ing-lutely disagree, u r dumb brian.

-don

 

ps. please dont ban me before this becomes a discussion of how good or bad tony gwynn jr is, I haven't discussed that enough.

[viking188]

Just like a Walmart, brian cannot prevent somebody from entering his store.

Sure they can. Happens all the time. (Strike one.)

 

You can't go to the Miller factory and take a tour and just start drinking the beer for free.

Yes you can. the end of every tour gets several free beers to sample. (Strike two)

As a business, Brian cannot discriminate.

High and outside...Strike three looking.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[splitterpfj]

I don't know why this is hard to understand or accept for some people, but this thread has been an eye opener for me.

 

This is Brian's site, it was his idea, it's been his effort, he gets to deal with the good side of things, he has to deal with the headaches that will inevitably pop up when "you're the man."

 

Why would anyone assume Brian doesn't have the right to establish the rules he wants, and then enforce them? This is not a publicly funded institution, if Brian wants to require a secret knock and a funny handshake before you can come in...he can do that.

 

The rules here are few, and they are basic, why is this even a discussion? It's either "Sure thing Brian" or go start your own site...how is this difficult?

[Big Reed]

brian - check your email for a reply.

 

it's nothing bad, just a little long for this forum.

[Brian the Automator]

No more long. I don't have the stamina.

[kattleflap]

Since this is my first post it seemed like the appropriate place. I've been visiting this site for years now and just decided I may have something to contribute, so I got meself a login. The problem is, Brian mentioned a FAQ earlier in this thread and for the life of me I don't think I've ever seen it and now I can't find it either. Would somebody please be so kind as to point me in the right direction.

 

As for the subject, all for everything Brian said, your the boss.

[brewers19]

Here ya go: Message Board FAQ

 

It's located in the Issues & Events Forum at the top.

[xisxisxis]

Keep Brewerfan Beautiful

 

I did my best to accomplish this by voluntarily banning myself from the site. Not sure it worked so here I am again bringing my optimistic viewpoints on the Brewers to an increasingly pessimistic brewer nation. Hide your children. Get out the holy water and pray.

 

 

 

Seriously though, this site is what it is because of the "elitist" atmosphere, and I hope that never changes.

 

From Dictionary.com:

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e·lit·ism

1.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp practice of or belief in rule by an elite.

2.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

[Origin: 1950?55; elite + -ism]

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If you mean elitist to be anyone who conforms to the FAQ then I agree, however, if it means we can't voice an opinion contrary to the favored group then I'm not for that type of elitism. Let me know if we are still free to express an opinion within the rules of the board.

 

 

 

You may think your pictures and cartoons are really funny. I don't. I think the majority of them are in bad taste. Do you agree Brian? Do you agree Kat?

 

Some people have eharmony or jdate, Kat has lemurrescue.com, to each his own.

 

 

 

Nobody thinks bad of a Stanford grad!

 

Thanks for the laugh Reed.

[EdgarDiazRocks]

We're putting the band back together!!

 

We're on a mission from god!

 

Nobody thinks bad of a Stanford grad!

 

My best friends in-laws are all Cal alums. Try again.

 

Edit: Oh yeah and Kyle Peterson was made of glass.

[Big Reed]

I think we need some clarification on Kyle Peterson. was he actually a Stanford grad ? or did he just attend baseball practices there? Was he a Senior or Junior when the Brewers drafted him? I want to find the facts before we bad mouth that fine institution of learning with a big tree as its mascot.

 

the last time i checked , a team has three outs in an inning. I may have struck out once, but I have two outs left. and I'm gritty. Rob Deer taught me well.

 

 

a question I'd like to bring up: is this brewerfan message board actually owned by Brian? or is he just the administrator of it? my understanding is that this message board is an EZ board community and provided and subject to EZ board community rules and regulations? Is the brewerfan site and brewerfan message board two separate entities? Did Hoffy know this? Why is there a dead horse head on my bed? and who sent it?

[1992casey]

ezBoard grants ownership to Brian. If you'd like, you can start an ezBoard and become an owner, too.

 

There isn't really much that ezBoard does that would overlap what Brain does. I do seem to recall that one time, a poster was banned by exBoard before Brian could get to him. I'd assume he was spamming multiple ezBoards.

[burrolover]

You guys and gals oughta be quite proud of your site. It's easily the best Brewer forum on the web. It took me a long time to come around to it, but I can't imagine any other place to talk serious about the Brewers or baseball in general. I've certainly made myself unpopular but if anyone asked me, I'd always send them here if they didn't like the current setup at brewers.com or were just looking for a place to talk baseball.

 

It's not the place for me to talk baseball as it's more of a fun distraction for me, baseball that is, but I do visit everyday to see what tidbits I can pick up about the team. I'm sure there's more and more new members everyday but that can't be a bad thing if you're a Brewer fan...they must be doing something right then!

[EdgarDiazRocks]

I think we need some clarification on Kyle Peterson. was he actually a Stanford grad ? or did he just attend baseball practices there? Was he a Senior or Junior when the Brewers drafted him? I want to find the facts before we bad mouth that fine institution of learning with a big tree as its mascot.

 

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Kyle Peterson, who was drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers as a junior in 1997, feels the same way. ?When I left, I promised my parents I?d come back for my degree,? says the ESPN color commentator. He took distance-learning classes on the road, and returned to the Farm in 2002 to finish his final courses, including Introduction to the Humanities. ?I was in a freshman class, and I was older than the TA,? he recalls. ?It was an interesting class to take as a 26-year-old.?

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God I love the internet.

[Brian the Automator]

David!!!

 

Welcome back.

 

[ Let me know if we are still free to express an opinion within the rules of the board. ]

 

You know I love your constructive negativity. You and geno are the yang to our yin.

[iluvlamp]

xisxisxis ...sniff...welcome back.