Game Thread (5/21/2022): Nationals (Corbin) at Brewers (Woodruff) - 6:10 PM CDT

[DuWayne Steurer]

McCutchen increased his line from a .629 to a .692 OPS with his 3 hit night.  

[BruisedCrew]

With the 3 hitter rule I always think it’s a gamble bringing in a back end reliever with a 4 run lead.

I remember the series against the Nats last year when the Brewers had big leads going into the ninth and ended up bringing in Hader anyway. 
 

At least Milner got the first out so at worst it would be tying run on deck with one out when Hader comes in. 

[Eye Black]

Did I just hear that correctly, the Brewers are 20-3 when they score 4+ runs this season? That’s an 87% winning percentage when they reach 4 or more runs of support, seems pretty incredible. 

[Joseph Zarr]

5 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

This makes me so happy. Keston is such a likable young man. The way he handled his 'demotion' and consequent call-up is exactly what you hope to see as a ball club. What a couple of weeks for his confidence and his development.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

With the 3 hitter rule I always think it’s a gamble bringing in a back end reliever with a 4 run lead.

I remember the series against the Nats last year when the Brewers had big leads going into the ninth and ended up bringing in Hader anyway. 
 

At least Milner got the first out so at worst it would be tying run on deck with one out when Hader comes in. 

 

I don't think Hoby Milner is exactly a back end reliever. 

[SomewhereInTime]

That's some poor management to not put Hader in to start the 9th and not to have him ready once the tying run gets on deck.

[BruisedCrew]

1 minute ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

 

I don't think Hoby Milner is exactly a back end reliever. 

He’s near the back end of the Brewers bullpen. 
 

And he’s making this one interesting. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

22 minutes ago, CdrbrgMark said:

Not complaining, just stating my perceptions.

But if you read and listened more into how modern baseball organizations are run, you wouldn’t give off such outrage vibes.

As a comparison point, do you complain that NFL head coaches no longer call plays? I mean, why are they even there if they don’t call plays?

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, RoCoBrewfan said:

 

I don't think Hoby Milner is exactly a back end reliever. 

Yeah I see some confusion here from time to time.  A "back end reliever" is a closer or setup man as they pitch at the end of the game.  A "front end reliever" is a long reliever or someone else who would come into the 5th inning or earlier.  A "middle reliever" pitches in the middle of the game like the 6th or 7th inning.

[sveumrules]

Kind of interesting looking at Freddy’s batted ball outcomes this year, actually at a 44.7% ground ball rate compared to a 33.5% career rate.

His pitch mix is pretty much the same as it was last year, checking StatCast his revamped slider could maybe be playing a role? 14.4” of horizontal break this year vs 8.2” last year. 

Something to keep an eye on as the season progresses.

[magnoliacrew]

Not worried about this one. Just sayin'.

[DuWayne Steurer]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

He’s near the back end of the Brewers bullpen. 
 

And he’s making this one interesting. 

Really?  He's 2nd on the team in appearances.  He's not a fireman.  But he's being used quite a bit.  Perdomo and Urena and Mejia are back of the bullpen.  Milner is pretty much "just a guy".  

[DuWayne Steurer]

1 minute ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yeah I see some confusion here from time to time.  A "back end reliever" is a closer or setup man as they pitch at the end of the game.  A "front end reliever" is a long reliever or someone else who would come into the 5th inning or earlier.  A "middle reliever" pitches in the middle of the game like the 6th or 7th inning.

Milner is one of the middle of the pen guys.  Right there with Gott and Gustave probably. 

[magnoliacrew]

CC supports Hader getting paid by racking up saves. I also support this.

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yeah I see some confusion here from time to time.  A "back end reliever" is a closer or setup man as they pitch at the end of the game.  A "front end reliever" is a long reliever or someone else who would come into the 5th inning or earlier.  A "middle reliever" pitches in the middle of the game like the 6th or 7th inning.

Personally, I’ve never heard “front end reliever”. I generally hear it called “back end of the bullpen”.

But we’re all talking about the same thing so whatever. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

4 minutes ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

Really?  He's 2nd on the team in appearances.  He's not a fireman.  But he's being used quite a bit.  Perdomo and Urena and Mejia are back of the bullpen.  Milner is pretty much "just a guy".  

More commonly referred to as a “middle reliever”. 

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, RoCoBrewfan said:

Milner is one of the middle of the pen guys.  Right there with Gott and Gustave probably. 

I think middle relief would accurately describe him.  The only real front end long reliever they've had would be Urena.  Ashby could be that if the Brewers used Openers and had him pitch like 3rd - 7th inning or something.

[edfunderburk]

10 minutes ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

 

I don't think Hoby Milner is exactly a back end reliever. 

Why is he on the team if he can’t hold a four run lead & get three outs to protect the closer?

What a waste of a roster spot

Where is Suter?

 

[BruisedCrew]

6 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yeah I see some confusion here from time to time.  A "back end reliever" is a closer or setup man as they pitch at the end of the game.  A "front end reliever" is a long reliever or someone else who would come into the 5th inning or earlier.  A "middle reliever" pitches in the middle of the game like the 6th or 7th inning.

OK. I’m using the term “back end” when maybe I should use the less flattering “bottom of the barrel” or “mop up”. 
 

 

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, edfunderburk said:

Why is he on the team if he can’t hold a four run lead & get three outs to protect the closer?

What a waste of a roster spot

Where is Suter?

 

It's not that big of a deal and Hader needed the work anyway.  Enjoy the win.  This team is pretty great right now.

[sveumrules]

5 minutes ago, magnoliacrew said:

CC supports Hader getting paid by racking up saves. I also support this.

Yup. Hadn’t pitched since the 16th anyway so get him a nice short outing after the long layoff.

[SRB]

6 minutes ago, magnoliacrew said:

CC supports Hader getting paid by racking up saves. I also support this.

lol this did feel like a "CC has Hader on his fantasy team" moment. Not sure we needed to use Hader to get Dee Strange-Gordon for the final out.

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

OK. I’m using the term “back end” when maybe I should use the less flattering “bottom of the barrel” or “mop up”. 
 

 

Might have to get a judges ruling on "mop up".  I know tr*shc*n isn't acceptable.

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Why is he on the team if he can’t hold a four run lead & get three outs to protect the closer?

What a waste of a roster spot

Where is Suter?

Guys have bad days. It happens. 

[magnoliacrew]

1 minute ago, SRB said:

lol this did feel like a "CC has Hader on his fantasy team" moment. Not sure we needed to use Hader to get Dee Strange-Gordon for the final out.

Agree, but who else do you use? There's a mentality to it. Hader has it.