Game Thread (5/08/2022): Brewers (Ashby) at Braves (Morton) - 12:35 PM CDT

[willie key]

I’m ok with the 6 pitchers.   I think Ashby is fine.    It’s kind of weird how they use him.     It’s not like they go in order.    They skip him and then use him in long relief.  Than start him one day

That throws off a routine I’m sure.    But he’s been ok

 

We might want to score more runs against teams with a pulse or play outdoors though

[HarryDoyle]

Just now, Pugger said:

Why didn't Woody start today?

Because CC wants to use a six man rotation when they don't have scheduled days off. Boy, if Ashby looks this bad how do you think our #6 starter will look tomorrow?

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Pugger said:

Why didn't Woody start today?

They've been going with a six man rotation whenever necessary to ensure that each starting pitcher has five day's rest in between starts. Woodruff last pitched on Tuesday, hence the insertion of Ashby today for that extra day's rest. 

[BruisedCrew]

1 minute ago, Pugger said:

Why didn't Woody start today?

Because the Brewers are still using a 6 day rotation, which means they use 6 starters if they have games on 6 straight days. 

[willie key]

You can pitch woodruff today and we are still getting shutout

 

maybe only 3-4 nothing at this point

[yourout]

Not sure if he has options left but Peterson needs to go.

[HarryDoyle]

The outfield needs to be shored up and quick.

[HarryDoyle]

4 minutes ago, willie key said:

You can pitch woodruff today and we are still getting shutout

 

maybe only 3-4 nothing at this point

Nah, I think our #6 starter would be getting shelled even worse.

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, willie key said:

You can pitch woodruff today and we are still getting shutout

 

maybe only 3-4 nothing at this point

Not exactly. We've been a victim of a significant amount of bad luck today. Should have at least 3 or 4 runs ourselves. 

[HarryDoyle]

So when does the game evolve to seven man rotations? Or eight?

[BruisedCrew]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Again, it's a probability thing. Balls that are hit harder have a much greater probability of turning into hits and, over the course of a season, will produce more hits. It's always been that way, too, so not really about "new" vs. "old" either. 

I understand that, but with some of these advanced stats I wonder how well they take into account modern defensive placement.

As soon as Peterson hit that ball my immediate reaction was that it was an easy out because the outfield would be shading him to left center. 

My initial comment about not putting the ball in play with the bases loaded was obviously directed at Cain. At least a ball hit like Peterson’s with less than two out would produce a run. 

[willie key]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Not exactly. We've been a victim of a significant amount of bad luck today. Should have at least 3 or 4 runs ourselves. 

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how does pitching woodruff change that

[HarryDoyle]

Time to call Mom.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

I understand that, but with some of these advanced stats I wonder how well they take into account modern defensive placement.

As soon as Peterson hit that ball my immediate reaction was that it was an easy out because the outfield would be shading him to left center. 

My initial comment about not putting the ball in play with the bases loaded was obviously directed at Cain. At least a ball hit like Peterson’s with less than two out would produce a run. 

Yeah the Cain at bat was just terrible and frustrating. I guess what it comes down to for me, is that it's pretty much impossible with the velocity and movement of today's pitching to place the ball in a particular spot in the field. The only thing that the modern hitter can really control is contact and the quality of that contact. 

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

This team has 5 terrific starting pitchers. At what point do they stop trying to shoehorn a 6th into the rotation, and just let the 5 they have shove? Ashby ain't ready for this yet.

Yeah this five and swing rotation is unnecessary, especially with the ridiculous pitch count limits starters have these days.  I don't want to see innings limited for these guys and I want to see as many Corbin Burnes starts as possible.

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, willie key said:

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how does pitching woodruff change that

Because you literally said that pitching Woodruff wouldn't change the offense's ability to score runs. This offense arguably should have scored at least a few runs so far today, and with Woodruff pitching, we would be right in the game instead of in the midst of a blowout. 

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Yeah the Cain at bat was just terrible and frustrating. I guess what it comes down to for me, is that it's pretty much impossible with the velocity and movement of today's pitching to place the ball in a particular spot in the field. The only thing that the modern hitter can really control is contact and the quality of that contact. 

I don’t think we’re disagreeing on that. 

But I don’t think I would hold out Peterson’s routine fly ball as an example of hitting in tough luck. It was a ball hit maybe 300 feet exactly in the area where the defense would expect him to hit.
 

[SomewhereInTime]

20 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

LOL I was literally going to post the exact same thing.

I was right yesterday and I was right today.  Correctly managing your pitching staff matters.  I apologize if that doesn't matter to you on a Brewers message board.

[BruisedCrew]

5 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yeah this five and swing rotation is unnecessary, especially with the ridiculous pitch count limits starters have these days.  I don't want to see innings limited for these guys and I want to see as many Corbin Burnes starts as possible.

You have to take the shortened spring training into account.

The pitchers didn’t get as many outings as usual to build up to a 5 day rotation. I suspect things will change eventually. 

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I don’t think we’re disagreeing on that. 

But I don’t think I would hold out Peterson’s routine fly ball as an example of hitting in tough luck. It was a ball hit maybe 300 feet exactly in the area where the defense would expect him to hit.
 

Maybe not Peterson's specifically, though it did have a .630 xBA. A better example would be Renfroe's would-have-been three-run home run. 

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I was right yesterday and I was right today.  Correctly managing your pitching staff matters.  I apologize if that doesn't matter to you on a Brewers message board.

Yep. You're always right. I don't know why we have Counsell managing this first-place team instead of you. 

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

You have to take the shortened spring training into account.

The pitchers didn’t get as many outings as usual to build up to a 5 day rotation. I suspect things will change eventually. 

Alright well, it's May, they should be "built up" by now.  Ashby can pitch in long relief.

[Pugger]

I asked why Woody didn't start because in the past he started the next game after Burnes?

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Yep. You're always right. I don't know why we have Counsell managing this first-place team instead of you. 

Agreed.  Sometimes here I feel like the only adult in a room full of children.

[HarryDoyle]

12 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I was right yesterday and I was right today.  Correctly managing your pitching staff matters.  I apologize if that doesn't matter to you on a Brewers message board.

What matters to me is not having to somehow scroll through two or three pages of a game thread of a  debate on the correct usage of a relief pitcher.