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Ever since his successful Opening Day start against the Braves, Reds starter Tyler Mahle has struggled. Here is his game log (note that it’s listed in reverse order with his most recent appearance at the top):

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The one thing that remains impressive is despite giving up 16 earned runs in his last 17.1 innings pitched, Mahle has yet to allow a single home run this season. 

Brewers that have performed particularly well against Tyler Mahle in the past include Willy Adames and Keston Hiura. Adames and Hiura are a combined 7-for-14 with 2 doubles and 3 home runs off of Mahle. 

Not just “at Night” anymore.
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33 minutes ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

should be an easy 2/3 or a sweep, but..... baseball, so we'll see how it goes. at some point the reds will start winning at better than a .150 clip. let's just hope it's not at our expense.

Yeah, they can't stay this bad forever but isn't India out right now? That means it's unlikely the Reds will suddenly become competent tonight.

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49 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

Since Hiura has been good historically against Mahle, take it to the bank that he won't be starting. I hope I'm wrong but I don't have a ton of faith in CC making good managerial decisions. 

Is this a serious statement?

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40 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

The Reds do have Colin Moran, well known brewer killer

When they gutted their pitching I figured that would doom the Reds, but their offense has been unbelievably pathetic so far. 

Joey Votto has 9 hits on the year and has played in every game. The same Joey Votto who  had a .266/.375/.563 line last year and got MVP votes.  

Besides Votto there is still some decent veteran talent ( Moustakas, Pham, Moran) and some really high draft picks (Senzel 2nd overall in '16, India 5th in '18, Stephenson 11th in '15) to be so inept that they're barely averaging 3 runs a game.

 

Sub-question: does the fact Joey Votto played on some really bad teams (90+ losses six times) hurt his chances for the HoF?

 

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7 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

Is this a serious statement?

Yes it is very serious. I've had quite a bit of issues with CC's in game decisions over the last few years. He initially tried doing things a bit more different and a bit more outside the box, but he's back to playing checkers like the old school managers with his bullpen and not giving a guy like Hiura or Taylor enough of a chance to play and improve at the mlb level.

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29 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

Yes it is very serious. I've had quite a bit of issues with CC's in game decisions over the last few years. He initially tried doing things a bit more different and a bit more outside the box, but he's back to playing checkers like the old school managers with his bullpen and not giving a guy like Hiura or Taylor enough of a chance to play and improve at the mlb level.

I'll give the guy who has led us to our greatest heights in franchise history the benefit of the doubt. However, you are right in that today would be as good of a day as any to give Hiura a shot and McCutchen a day off. What is the point of having Hiura on the roster if you're only going to play him against lefties, which is his weaker platoon side? Just doesn't make sense. 

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52 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'll give the guy who has led us to our greatest heights in franchise history the benefit of the doubt. However, you are right in that today would be as good of a day as any to give Hiura a shot and McCutchen a day off. What is the point of having Hiura on the roster if you're only going to play him against lefties, which is his weaker platoon side? Just doesn't make sense. 

The better point is: why is Hiura on the roster at all. He most likely is what he is at this point: a talented athlete but flawed major leaguer with nothing left to prove in AAA.
 

They’ll continue to use his little positional versatility, and to hit against lefties. When they need a roster spot they’ll ship him out to the minor leagues.

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3 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

Yes it is very serious. I've had quite a bit of issues with CC's in game decisions over the last few years. He initially tried doing things a bit more different and a bit more outside the box, but he's back to playing checkers like the old school managers with his bullpen and not giving a guy like Hiura or Taylor enough of a chance to play and improve at the mlb level.

He is pretty freaking good at checkers then.  To be fair, there have been rules put in place specifically designed to counter the things CC was doing.

but it's not like every guy suddenly forgot every piece of advice he gave
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3 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

 

 

Sub-question: does the fact Joey Votto played on some really bad teams (90+ losses six times) hurt his chances for the HoF?

 

I think Votto has been so good, for so long that the Reds badness isn't going to matter.  He's had some pretty monster years, but as a first baseman, he's hit 30 homers only 3 times, and had 100 RBI only 3 times.  A huge part of his value has come from taking walks, and while statistically, we all know how important and valuable that is, I think the HOF voters still lag a little behind.  I think he'll eventually get in, but he's definitely not a first ballot, or even likely a 2nd or 3rd ballot guy.  

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40 minutes ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

I think Votto has been so good, for so long that the Reds badness isn't going to matter.  He's had some pretty monster years, but as a first baseman, he's hit 30 homers only 3 times, and had 100 RBI only 3 times.  A huge part of his value has come from taking walks, and while statistically, we all know how important and valuable that is, I think the HOF voters still lag a little behind.  I think he'll eventually get in, but he's definitely not a first ballot, or even likely a 2nd or 3rd ballot guy.  

It's so strange to me that Votto still isn't to 60 fWAR. It feels like he should be.

But then again, he was kinda bad for a 3-4 year stretch there.

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