Game Thread (4/30/2022): Cubs (Steele) at Brewers (Lauer) - 6:10 PM CDT

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, TURBO said:

A boring take?

As someone who has been a Brewers fan my entire life, and as someone who has seen Cain's career as a Brewer since day one of his current contract, what I said isn't so much of a "take" as it is highly probable.  He will spend a great deal of time on the IL, and you can paint it any way you want, but he is not, will not, and can't be worth the 15 million + we are paying him this year.

What does his incredible resiliency before 2020 have to do with 2022?  I mean, that's 3 years ago.  

It may be a "boring take" to you,  but to those of us who have watched him play day in and day out the past 5 seasons, he can't be relied on to do much more than make an occasional great play in the outfield these days...

Honestly, his tremendous 2018 on its own was worth almost all of his deal. Then, add in the Gold Glove in 2019 and another solid year last season, and it was an excellent signing. This year might be a littler rougher, but I'm sure they took that into account from the start. 

[TURBO]

24 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

There were also plenty of folks tasking the opposite perspective.  Those folks had the correct side of the debate.

I think there were maybe 3 guys here that kept harping on the "Houser shouldn't be a starter" nonsense...

[Brock Beauchamp]

5 minutes ago, TURBO said:

A boring take?

As someone who has been a Brewers fan my entire life, and as someone who has seen Cain's career as a Brewer since day one of his current contract, what I said isn't so much of a "take" as it is highly probable.  He will spend a great deal of time on the IL, and you can paint it any way you want, but he is not, will not, and can't be worth the 15 million + we are paying him this year.

What does his incredible resiliency before 2020 have to do with 2022?  I mean, that's 3 years ago.  

It may be a "boring take" to you,  but to those of us who have watched him play day in and day out the past 5 seasons, he can't be relied on to do much more than make an occasional great play in the outfield these days...

Cool. You're still an overly negative person and I'm quite sure Cain played for the Brewers multiple years and was healthy and productive.

And the reality is that if you think the fifth year of a five year contract is going to be worth its value to the team, you need to step back and take a look at how baseball contracts work because that's rarely the case.

You can either choose to accept the good front-end of a contract while accepting the bad back-end of a contract and you can just stop complaining, because that's how baseball works, or you can keep doing this boring schtick. Maybe the contract rules should change, maybe they shouldn't, but that has little to do with your incessant complaining.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, edfunderburk said:

He’s electric for sure

Who do they send down or DFA?

I would send down Hiura and DFA Uréna. Milner then would probably be the next to go from the pen for me. 

[HarryDoyle]

[82brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

He’s electric for sure

Who do they send down or DFA?

Urena, Milner, Hiura and Jackson.  Caratini and Urias up.

[brewmann04]

Great starting pitching again and timely hitting and Yeli looks to find a groove. Watch out 

[TURBO]

4 minutes ago, Oxy said:

And he never would have signed with us for 3 years and $50 million...we had to give an affordable-ish extra year+ on the back end of the contract  in order to get the front end of the contract.

true...

[82brewcrew82]

8 minutes ago, TURBO said:

I think there were maybe 3 guys here that kept harping on the "Houser shouldn't be a starter" nonsense...

And?  I never said there were bunches and bunches of people saying that.  And that doesn't change the fact that those few people were wrong.

[edfunderburk]

1 minute ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Urena, Milner, Hiura and Jackson.  Caratini and Urias up.

We also have several excellent pitching options in Nashville - Small (too many walks) plus a few bullpen arms … great problem trying to find innings for all of them.

I think it’s time to release Urena & possibly Corey Ray too. 

[NBBrewFan]

Can we add trying to win the internet to the red box of no-nos?  Sometimes the back and forth arguing sucks the life out of these threads as the negative posts.  The Brewers just won their 5th game with an offense that has turned it around and they are up 3 games in the NL Central.  Shut up and enjoy it.

[folly412]

Just now, edfunderburk said:

He’s electric for sure

Who do they send down or DFA?

Urena DFA.  I think it'll be Gustave optioned.  Just to get consistent innings.  Milner's been playing with fire, but hasn't gotten burnt yet.  Think they ride the upside with Cousins a little longer.

I think Urias probably goes to Nashville next week.  After a week or two they'll have to make the move between Hiura and Brosseau if no one hits the IL in the meantime.

[Brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

We also have several excellent pitching options in Nashville - Small (too many walks) plus a few bullpen arms … great problem trying to find innings for all of them.

I think it’s time to release Urena & possibly Corey Ray too. 

Also, have an infield/center field option in Turang, who is beginning to, at long last, show some real power in AAA. Makes you excited to think how these guys will either contribute to the team in the near future OR bring back a middle of the order hitter that will help launch us in to that next tier of offenses. 

[TURBO]

17 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Cool. You're still an overly negative person and I'm quite sure Cain played for the Brewers multiple years and was healthy and productive.

And the reality is that if you think the fifth year of a five year contract is going to be worth its value to the team, you need to step back and take a look at how baseball contracts work because that's rarely the case.

You can either choose to accept the good front-end of a contract while accepting the bad back-end of a contract and you can just stop complaining, because that's how baseball works, or you can keep doing this boring schtick. Maybe the contract rules should change, maybe they shouldn't, but that has little to do with your incessant complaining.

That's a boring take...

I'm an overly negative person?  He did play two productive seasons.  He played 141 and 148 games in 2018 1nd 2019.  He played 5 games in 2020 before opting out of the season.  Not faulting him for that, everyone had to do what they had to do to get through that nightmare.  He played 78 games last year.  I'm expecting the same this year, anything more will be gravy, assuming he is providing anything positive to the team's success.

I have accepted the fact that the last 2-3 seasons were going to be what they are.  I just don't see much reasoning in acting like he is providing much to the success of the current team.  I don't need to step back at all, I understand how baseball contracts work, especially when you sign a guy in the twilight of his career.  We all knew the last 2 years or so of that contract were not going to be anything like the first 2 years. 

I like Cain, always have, I just don't expect much from him from this point on.

Incessant complaining?  I beg to differ.  If we can't come to the game threads and talk about the game and it's players, then what is the point.  You simply can't dictate the the thoughts and feelings of the people who post here.  I truly don't think I am one of the negative people here, but maybe if that is how a lot of other posters feel, then maybe I am.

[Joseph Zarr]

The over-arching theme of the Big Club and AAAA club is: there are many valid options to fill the fringes. I've touched on this before. It's a very very good problem to have. And, honestly, I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions. I would also add: when you're 15-7 and bats are waking up there has to be an element of: If it it aint broke, don't fix it (anywhere). The Sounds took two from the Saints today, for instance, and are now up 3-2 in that series on the road and are 15 or 16-7 overall (I can't remember exactly and am too lazy to look it up) and lead their entire league in ERA. We have an embarrassment of riches to play around at the fringes. And with Turang now playing two weeks straight of smashmouth realllllllly good baseball and the stellar performances of David Dahl and Tyler White, we are just in a very very good spot. I am enjoying every minute of it.

[Brewcrew82]

8 minutes ago, TURBO said:

That's a boring take...

I'm an overly negative person?  He did play two productive seasons.  He played 141 and 148 games in 2018 1nd 2019.  He played 5 games in 2020 before opting out of the season.  Not faulting him for that, everyone had to do what they had to do to get through that nightmare.  He played 78 games last year.  I'm expecting the same this year, anything more will be gravy, assuming he is providing anything positive to the team's success.

I have accepted the fact that the last 2-3 seasons were going to be what they are.  I just don't see much reasoning in acting like he is providing much to the success of the current team.  I don't need to step back at all, I understand how baseball contracts work, especially when you sign a guy in the twilight of his career.  We all knew the last 2 years or so of that contract were not going to be anything like the first 2 year. 

I like Cain, always have, I just don't expect much from him from this point on.

Incessant complaining?  I beg to differ.  If we can't come to the game threads and talk about the game and it's players, then what is the point.  You simply can't dictate the the thoughts and feelings of the people who post here.  I truly don't think  am one of the negative people here, but maybe if that is how a lot of other posters feel, then maybe I am.

No, in my view, you are not one of the negative ones around here. Those few users are easily identifiable. You are actually able to make contributions other than saying that the offense is bad, and don't run away as soon as we score more than 3 runs in a game. I sincerely appreciate that. As for Cain, yeah, this year may be rough. But I think they're going to give him ample opportunities cause he sure as heck can still field the ball. 

[Robocaller]

Can we play bad teams the whole season, because I kinda like beating up on them.

 

[Brewcrew82]

I almost forgot that, at one point, we chose to start Zack Godley over Lauer last year....

[Joseph Zarr]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No, in my view, you are not one of the negative ones around here. Those few users are easily identifiable. You are actually able to make contributions other than saying that the offense is bad, and don't run away as soon as we score more than 3 runs in a game. I sincerely appreciate that. As for Cain, yeah, this year may be rough. But I think they're going to give him ample opportunities cause he sure as heck can still field the ball. 

I can second this. Actually, when I first started posting on 'Brewer Fan' @TURBO privately reached out to me and encouraged me to keep posting. He didn't have to encourage me (and, now, I post too much ?). But, I've always seen him as one of the straight shooters who is willing and capable of articulating a POV but certainly not overly negative whatsoever - he also doesn't bully anyone or offend while doing so. His retort to you @Brock Beauchamp, which was quite calm and reasoned, supports my point me thinks. And, both of you men, from my humble vantage point, have proven time and again you can see a disagreement for what it is and not take it personally or re-approach it in a new way and move on. Anyhow, both of you are assets to this online community and I appreciate you for it.

[Joseph Zarr]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I almost forgot that, at one point, we chose to start Zack Godley over Lauer last year....

If I'm not mistaken (and I certainly could be), we held onto Godley as a 40-Man guy and lost a prospect as a result? I remember going through kind of a head-scratcher moment there. Was it a Rule 5 guy? Man, my memory fails me.

[Eye Black]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I almost forgot that, at one point, we chose to start Zack Godley over Lauer last year....

And that wasn’t even the most egregious part of the Zack Godley addition since the Brewers DFA’d Phil Bickford in order to add Godley.  

[TURBO]

3 minutes ago, Eye Black said:

And that wasn’t even the most egregious part of the Zack Godley addition since the Brewers DFA’d Phil Bickford in order to add Godley.  

UGGGHHHH!

Please don't remind us of that.  lol

[Eye Black]

20 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

Can we play bad teams the whole season, because I kinda like beating up on them.

 

Brewers should start barnstorming with the baseball equivalent of the Washington Generals.

[82brewcrew82]

59 minutes ago, TURBO said:

That's a boring take...

I'm an overly negative person?  He did play two productive seasons.  He played 141 and 148 games in 2018 1nd 2019.  He played 5 games in 2020 before opting out of the season.  Not faulting him for that, everyone had to do what they had to do to get through that nightmare.  He played 78 games last year.  I'm expecting the same this year, anything more will be gravy, assuming he is providing anything positive to the team's success.

I have accepted the fact that the last 2-3 seasons were going to be what they are.  I just don't see much reasoning in acting like he is providing much to the success of the current team.  I don't need to step back at all, I understand how baseball contracts work, especially when you sign a guy in the twilight of his career.  We all knew the last 2 years or so of that contract were not going to be anything like the first 2 years. 

I like Cain, always have, I just don't expect much from him from this point on.

Incessant complaining?  I beg to differ.  If we can't come to the game threads and talk about the game and it's players, then what is the point.  You simply can't dictate the the thoughts and feelings of the people who post here.  I truly don't think I am one of the negative people here, but maybe if that is how a lot of other posters feel, then maybe I am.

I definitely do not think you are a complainer.  I do think you tend to post negatively but I don't mean that in a bad way.  There are people on here that are basically trolls and you are not that. I just think you have a glass half empty perspective and you post from that perspective which is fine.  I think your positions are, at a minimum, reasonable and well thought out.

I do agree with Brock in that the repeated beating of dead horses on some subjects is tired and I think the folks that post from the glass half full perspective need to be allowed to do that without being lectured about how foolish that perspective is.  Just my two cents.

 

 

 

[phnxcrew]

1 hour ago, NBBrewFan said:

Can we add trying to win the internet to the red box of no-nos?  Sometimes the back and forth arguing sucks the life out of these threads as the negative posts.  The Brewers just won their 5th game with an offense that has turned it around and they are up 3 games in the NL Central.  Shut up and enjoy it.

Thank you.  This