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Game Thread (4/28/2022): Brewers (Peralta) at Pirates (Quintana) - 11:35 AM CDT

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4 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Based on his slow start and .720 OPS this year? Or the .814 he put up as a Brewer last year? He don't think he'll ever be a star, but he's far from the biggest problem in the lineup as it stands.

No, I just don't think based on his entire career body that he's a viable starting 1B. I agree that he isn't close to the biggest current issue on offense, though -- which far and away is the drastic decline of Yelich. 

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Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

He's hitting like crap, but he's always been a gamer with a good baseball mind. He knew we needed baserunners, and he took the opportunity. I dig it.

I agree, and he is a good bunter. Unfortunately, it is his strong point, and baserunning, at this point.

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1 minute ago, Underachiever said:

When you are dealing with the elite in a profession, like the top 700 baseball players, or in this case, one of the best relievers in history, it's nothing like a manager who has a bunch of hourly employees working for them. You don't think that people in the c-suite of corporations don't dictate some of the terms of their employment? I wish people would quit trying to relate professional sports' workplace dynamics with how things work down at their job. 

Yikes, so Yelich can be like "I only bat 3rd in the lineup or I don't play"? or "I don't play sundays"? Players don't get to dictate this stuff. They can have a preference, but at the end of the day...if a situation arises that we reeeally need Josh Hader to get an out or two in the 8th and pitch the 9th...you're really going to tell me that's off the table? If it's not in his contract, it's not off the table. I can't think of any other big name closer that is relegated solely to 1 inning duty. The fact that Counsell and the Brewers don't push back on that request, assuming it's all true, is honestly insane and pathetic.

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2 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

Yikes, so Yelich can be like "I only bat 3rd in the lineup or I don't play"? or "I don't play sundays"? Players don't get to dictate this stuff. They can have a preference, but at the end of the day...if a situation arises that we reeeally need Josh Hader to get an out or two in the 8th and pitch the 9th...you're really going to tell me that's off the table? If it's not in his contract, it's not off the table. I can't think of any other big name closer that is relegated solely to 1 inning duty. The fact that Counsell and the Brewers don't push back on that request, assuming it's all true, is honestly insane and pathetic.

That's probably a bit of a tough guy approach too much.   This is dealing with a complicated contract issue and it relate to his health and injury risk.     But look it up, the info got out before the last post season, most likely when Williams got hurt.   

I saw Hader randomly on MLB tv in the day late in the year, possibly in the playoffs and he was asked about it.  He flat out said it's not an option to do more than one inning and seemed pretty set on it.   Now, of course you get to NLCS/WS he probably changes his tune quite a bit. 

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Just now, tmwiese55 said:

That's probably a bit of a tough guy approach too much.   This is dealing with a complicated contract issue and it relate to his health and injury risk.     But look it up, the info got out before the last post season, most likely when Williams got hurt.   

I saw Hader randomly on MLB tv in the day late in the year, possibly in the playoffs and he was asked about it.  He flat out said it's not an option to do more than one inning and seemed pretty set on it.   Now, of course you get to NLCS/WS he probably changes his tune quite a bit. 

It should be a general consensus agreement about what's best for both the player and team. For example, a starting pitcher obviously isn't going to start pitching 25 innings a week even if asked. A relief pitcher pitching more than 1 inning isn't this unusual phenomenon that never happens. It's actually far more unusual to have pitchers that only pitch 1 inning, never ever any more than that. This situation if true is disappointing for both Hader and the Brewers, and that's as nice as I can be about it.

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9 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

It should be a general consensus agreement about what's best for both the player and team. For example, a starting pitcher obviously isn't going to start pitching 25 innings a week even if asked. A relief pitcher pitching more than 1 inning isn't this unusual phenomenon that never happens. It's actually far more unusual to have pitchers that only pitch 1 inning, never ever any more than that. This situation if true is disappointing for both Hader and the Brewers, and that's as nice as I can be about it.

Sure, in an ideal world.    Don't think you want risk a fight with him and his agent which would've led to a trade demand (since w'ere not going to give him 100 mil)  in one of the last offseason.    So the consensus agreement for what's best for the team is to have him on it as a 1 inning guy rather than the prospects they'd get back. 

 

I laughed at the heart of the order stuff a couple times too as he said Gamel's name... 

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Hader 2018: 81 IP | 60 ERA- | 54 FIP- | 2.6 rWAR | +3.30 WPA
Hader 2019: 75 IP | 59 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 2.8 rWAR | +3.15 WPA
Hader 2021: 58 IP | 29 ERA- | 39 FIP- | 3.4 rWAR | +5.05 WPA

I've got no problem with using Hader in the traditional closer's role. He provided more value in fewer innings in 2021 than he did with his fireman role in 2018/19.

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6 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Hader 2018 81 IP | 60 ERA- | 54 FIP- | 2.6 rWAR | +3.30 WPA
Hader 2019 75 IP | 59 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 2.8 rWAR | +3.15 WPA
Hader 2021 58 IP | 29 ERA- | 39 FIP- | 3.4 rWAR | +5.05 WPA

I've got no problem with using Hader in the traditional closer's role. He provided more value in fewer innings in 2021 than he did with his fireman role in 2018/19.

You're oversimplifying this to the point it's a significantly flawed comparison. There's no guarantee Hader's skill as a pitcher didn't increase. You don't know if he would have been more valuable as a traditional closer in 18/19 or as a fireman role in 21. He went from an 80+% fastball pitcher in 18/19 to around 65% in 21.

That also doesn't even consider, when Hader isn't pitching...someone else is covering those innings and certainly not at the same caliber that Hader is...

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Nice to see the Brewers navigate an inning by putting the ball in play instead of trying to rely on the long ball.

I feel like this one balances off the Friday game against the Phillies with their succession of soft hits. 
 

Also good to see Williams come in and get the ball over the plate instead of working out of a self imposed jam. 

Note: If I raise something as a POSSIBILITY that does not mean that I EXPECT it to happen.
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