Game Thread (4/28/2022): Brewers (Peralta) at Pirates (Quintana) - 11:35 AM CDT

[Brewcrew82]

I'm amazed that we hit even one home run the past two days....Rowdy screwed again

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, KeithStone53151 said:

He's not, CC is very anti-Hiura and I'm really not sure why...

I'm guessing his 40% K rate (albeit in a small sample) has a lot to do with it.

[Pugger]

18 minutes ago, BallFour said:

Different batters, same uniforms, Quintana owning the Crew.

Why did the Pirates take him out?

[stoutdude04]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'm amazed that we hit even one home run the past two days....Rowdy screwed again

Just tuned in. Saw it off the bat and thought it was long gone. Barely made the track.

Then I thought, maybe it was off the label or end. Nope. 107mph.

[BallFour]

Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I'm guessing his 40% K rate (albeit in a small sample) has a lot to do with it.

Like you said small sample, but he can't hit lefties he is striking out at like a 50% clip vs. lefties why are the Brewers setting him up to fail is beyond me. He has a career OPS+ of 56 vs. lefties and 116 vs. righties. My point is if you just want a guy to hit lefties and play 1B. They are probably better off having Tyler White on the roster than Hiura if this is all Hiura is here to do.

[willie key]

the cold weather has something to do with it too.   When it warms up the ball will fly further

[Brewcrew82]

Honestly, I'm kind of hoping at this point that Hiura is the position player that is sent down when Urias comes back. Not necessarily because of his results thus far, but just so the guy can get regular at bats. Justified or not, Counsell is doing him no favors right now. 

[KeithStone53151]

Just now, BallFour said:

Like you said small sample, but he can't hit lefties he is striking out at like a 50% clip vs. lefties why are the Brewers setting him up to fail is beyond me. He has a career OPS+ of 56 vs. lefties and 116 vs. righties. My point is if you just want a guy to hit lefties and play 1B. They are probably better off having Tyler White on the roster than Hiura if this is all Hiura is here to do.

I generally don't think CC is giving him much of a chance. He looked like a different player in spring training and then got some playing time but very sporadic and often got pulled early in games he started. I'm generally frustrated with this as Hiura can be an absolute game changer for the offense if he realizes his potential.

As far as LH vs RH splits, yes it's completely backwards statistically for Hiura to only start vs RH pitching. Hiura's usage to this point makes me hope he goes back down to AAA for a tune up, it's a disservice to him and the long term future of the team to keep him up here at this point.

[KeithStone53151]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Honestly, I'm kind of hoping at this point that Hiura is the position player that is sent down when Urias comes back. Not necessarily because of his results thus far, but just so the guy can get regular at bats. Justified or not, Counsell is doing him no favors right now. 

I was a huge fan of Counsell early in his tenure, but lately he's very vanilla in his strategy and is just playing checkers like the other old school managers. I mean, he has a 7th inning guy, 8th inning guy, 9th inning guy...maybe CC and Ned Yost switched bodies or something

[Brewcrew82]

Atta boy Freddy. It's great to have you back!

[willie key]

thats it for peralta.    Lets score some runs now

[BruisedCrew]

40 minutes ago, Patrick425 said:

Enjoy listening to Tim Dillard more than Rock.  However, his comment last inning regarding auto strike zone and catchers good at framing...ughh.. Tim, not how it works. Framing will become a non-factor.  It records the pitch as it goes through the strike zone.  What the catcher does with the ball or how he moves his glove after that would not be important.

I thought that was what he was saying. That catchers who are good at framing will be “out of a job” (something of an exaggeration) because that skill wouldn’t have value. 

[BruisedCrew]

Looks like it’s going to be up to the bullpen to go 3 scoreless innings for the Brewers to win. 
 

Without Hader to finish that hasn’t been working well. 

[KeithStone53151]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

Looks like it’s going to be up to the bullpen to go 3 scoreless innings for the Brewers to win. 
 

Without Hader to finish that hasn’t been working well. 

You forgot the part where the Brewers tack on 4 runs and Gustave pitches the 9th.

[tmwiese55]

14 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

I was a huge fan of Counsell early in his tenure, but lately he's very vanilla in his strategy and is just playing checkers like the other old school managers. I mean, he has a 7th inning guy, 8th inning guy, 9th inning guy...maybe CC and Ned Yost switched bodies or something

Yea that's a trend I haven't liked the last few years.    However, after word got out late last year of Hader refusing to pitch more than one inning along with how they moved the multi inning relievers (Burnes/Wood/Freddy) to the rotation it's somewhat forcing his hand

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea that's a trend I haven't liked the last few years.    However, after word got out late last year of Hader refusing to pitch more than one inning along with how they moved the multi inning relievers (Burnes/Wood/Freddy) to the rotation it's somewhat forcing his hand

This is a slight exaggeration. Hader didn't outright "refuse". Rather, he and team management had a discussion and agreed that it is better for both him and the team to be used in one-inning spirts, as opposed to being used for multiple innings and then having to take multiple days off for rest. 

[BruisedCrew]

17 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

You forgot the part where the Brewers tack on 4 runs and Gustave pitches the 9th.

I wish. 
 

Too bad Adames went up looking to tack on 4 runs with one swing instead of looking to tack on a couple by going with pitches on the outside part of the plate. 

[KeithStone53151]

9 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea that's a trend I haven't liked the last few years.    However, after word got out late last year of Hader refusing to pitch more than one inning along with how they moved the multi inning relievers (Burnes/Wood/Freddy) to the rotation it's somewhat forcing his hand

That's even more embarrassing for Counsell if true, but i just don't buy that. I didn't know baseball players got to pick and choose how they were used while under contract. I think Hader prefers the 1 inning approach, mostly because he wants the saves and saves matter greatly in arbitration and will matter in potential future HOF discussion. That said, relievers don't get to pick and choose like that...that's not how the employee/employer relationship works

[titletownking]

Can’t score 1 run or less and expect to win all the time. Still happy with 2 of 3 in Pittsburgh if it falls that way. Lineup needs to find a semblance of consistency. 

[BruisedCrew]

1 minute ago, titletownking said:

Can’t score 1 run or less and expect to win all the time. Still happy with 2 of 3 in Pittsburgh if it falls that way. Lineup needs to find a semblance of consistency. 

The lineup has been very consistent with one aberration. 

[Brewcrew82]

Bullpen has really struggled to hold leads lately, with the exception of Hader. 

[BruisedCrew]

Looks like Adames was still thinking about his failed AB when he took the field. 

[brewers888]

At some point we are going to have to deal for a difference making bat. The pitching is outstanding but we can't expect shutouts every day even against Pittsburgh. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

At some point we are going to have to deal for a difference making bat. The pitching is outstanding but we can't expect shutouts every day even against Pittsburgh. 

Ya don't say?

[tmwiese55]

10 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

That's even more embarrassing for Counsell if true, but i just don't buy that. I didn't know baseball players got to pick and choose how they were used while under contract. I think Hader prefers the 1 inning approach, mostly because he wants the saves and saves matter greatly in arbitration and will matter in potential future HOF discussion. That said, relievers don't get to pick and choose like that...that's not how the employee/employer relationship works

Phrase it however you want.   He and has agent told the team he wants to do 1 innings only.   Team agreed, here we are.   Keep in mind they had some contention over his arb eligibility and I'm sure he'd prefer to lock in a big multi year deal.  So he's having to play on one year deals.   I'm sure the team understands his view and don't want a fight, so they said Yes.

There was a game earlier this year, 1-2 run elad in the 8th with a bunch drama in the 8th when Williams was struggling and at like 35 pitches.    Hader never got up in spite of leftys coming.  The two out batter was a lefty and I think Williams was left in.   In the past tha'ts Hader to get 4 outs