Game Thread (4/23/2022): Brewers (Houser) at Phillies (Wheeler) - 3:05 PM CDT

[Brewcrew82]

IF the Brewers offense can avoid being utterly incompetent, we should win quite a few games yet again this summer.

[magnoliacrew]

2 minutes ago, mtrebs said:

I was upset that Realmuto didn’t get out of the way of the plate when there was no chance of a play at home. He could have injured Adames by still blocking the plate.

My thought as well. Where else was Adames supposed to slide?

[NBBrewFan]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

IF the Brewers offense can avoid being utterly incompetent, we should win quite a few games yet again this summer.

I like your optimism. Having had too much to drink, I love you man...

[nate82]

5 minutes ago, willie key said:

I do agree that pitchers throw harder but I’ve spoken to many coaches and they acknowledge measuring pitch speed etc is a lot more precise.  I. E. The guns are better/inflated compared to the 80s

 

That really isn't it.  It is the amount of pitchers who pitch as hard as they do now.  Normally it was 2 or 3 guys on the whole staff who throw as hard as the pitchers do now.  Now you have about 7-10 of them.  

[HarryDoyle]

Ok

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

I like your optimism. Having had too much to drink, I love you man...

Thanks for making me feel the love

[Brewcrew82]

As we saw last night, these extra runs can wind up being quite important. 

[TURBO]

Between the ads here and the vizzy commercial, the brewers baseball experience this year has been irritating to say the least.

 

GO HUNTER!

[magnoliacrew]

20 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Who is this offense?

When we were down by three I was sure that was an insurmountable hole to dig out of.

[HarryDoyle]

8 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Let's hope the pitching staff shuts down the Phillies the rest of the game because that's about all we can expect from the offense is one big inning.

Ok, maybe one more run, but isn't five runs pretty much their ceiling now?

[Brewcrew82]

He looks out. Love the aggressiveness on the bases, though. 

[willie key]

1 minute ago, nate82 said:

That really isn't it.  It is the amount of pitchers who pitch as hard as they do now.  Normally it was 2 or 3 guys on the whole staff who throw as hard as the pitchers do now.  Now you have about 7-10 of them.  

That is true.   It’s too hard to have a whole dissertation on this subject on a game thread.    It’s the idea of having a bunch of guys in the bullpen who are good too.  Compared to the past when bullpen guys were considered failed pitchers.  
 

it’s hard to explain it all here.    But I think it’s silly that these batters shouldn’t be able to adapt some instead of throwing up their hands and say I’m just going to bat .190 for a career

there are things they can do.    Players always adapt throughout history

[TURBO]

I like that the umps are now going on the PA and informing the crowds and tv watchers what the call is on the field.

[magnoliacrew]

That's the first time I've heard the umpire announcing the review. My mind felt like I am watching a football game.

[HarryDoyle]

No way that can get overturned. Cain looked safe to me and certainly not enough evidence to overturn.

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, nate82 said:

That really isn't it.  It is the amount of pitchers who pitch as hard as they do now.  Normally it was 2 or 3 guys on the whole staff who throw as hard as the pitchers do now.  Now you have about 7-10 of them.  

Another thing is that despite being faster than ever, fastballs are being thrown with less frequency than ever.

The first year measuring pitch type & velocity across the league in 2002 it was 89.0 MPH & 64.4% fastballs.

So far this year it is 93.4 MPH & 48.8%. Velocity up 4.4 MPH but usage down 15.6% over the last 20 years.

Squaring up an 89 MPH fastball back in 2002 for a line drive is one thing, squaring up a pitch that same speed (but now its a slider or a cutter or a change up with exponentially more movement) is a whole different thing. 

[willie key]

The reds look terrible so far

[willie key]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Another thing is that despite being faster than ever, fastballs are being thrown with less frequency than ever.

The first year measuring pitch type & velocity across the league in 2002 it was 89.0 MPH & 64.4% fastballs.

So far this year it is 93.4 MPH & 48.8%. Velocity up 4.4 MPH but usage down 15.6% over the last 20 years.

Squaring up an 89 MPH fastball back in 2002 for a line drive is one thing, squaring up a pitch that same speed (but now its a slider or a cutter or a change up with exponentially more movement) is a whole different thing. 

Agree.    The ability to measure spin rate has changed pitching more than anything in my opinion.    Pitchers didn’t have those tools to work on before

[NBBrewFan]

1 minute ago, willie key said:

The reds look terrible so far

At least that high quality ownership group will make a profit

[magnoliacrew]

Just now, willie key said:

The reds look terrible so far

That's true but where else are the fans going to go? Let's start there.

[brewerfan82]

5 minutes ago, willie key said:

The reds look terrible so far

Oof, they have a team wRC+ of 53. That is impressively horrendous: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31&sort=17,d

[Brock Beauchamp]

Nine more outs, let’s do this. 

[nate82]

8 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

At least that high quality ownership group will make a profit

Well they did spend all that money on Moustakas, Votto and Castellanos at one point.  They had the offense to win a world series and they spent the money to do so but didn't even make it anywhere close to a world series appearance let alone winning it.  

Sometimes spending money is just spending money.  

[TURBO]

1 minute ago, nate82 said:

Well they did spend all that money on Moustakas, Votto and Castellanos at one point.  They had the offense to win a world series and they spent the money to do so but didn't even make it anywhere close to a world series appearance let alone winning it.  

Sometimes spending money is just spending money.  

They spent it on the wrong guys.  Moose has been an absolute bust since leaving Milwaukee.

[brewers888]

Gott has been very impressive.