Pedro Severino suspended 80 games without pay following a positive test for Clomiphene

[clancyphile]

Answer: They trade Korry Howell (#2 on my Top 25 ballot) and Brett Sullivan for Victor Caratini.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

5 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

Answer: They trade Korry Howell (#2 on my Top 25 ballot) and Brett Sullivan for Victor Caratini.

Howell was an interesting prospect. The versatility and speed were intriguing. He's already 23, though, and I'm not sure if he'll ever hit enough to be anything more than a Jace Peterson type.

[clancyphile]

45 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Howell was an interesting prospect. The versatility and speed were intriguing. He's already 23, though, and I'm not sure if he'll ever hit enough to be anything more than a Jace Peterson type.

I was thinking poor man's Javy Baez - and the developed power really sent him up the list.

[sveumrules]

20 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

I was thinking poor man's Javy Baez - and the developed power really sent him up the list.

Baez put up a 294/346/638 line with a 28.8 K% in AA as a 20 year old legit SS.

Howell put up a 235/318/429 line with a 39.6 K% in AA as a 22 year old close your eyes & pray SS.

That’s a bankrupt on the run from his creditor’s Javy.

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, clancyphile said:

I was thinking poor man's Javy Baez - and the developed power really sent him up the list.

But can he apply a tag like Baez?

[torts]

Players can file for exemptions for prescriptions that would otherwise fail drug tests, but, that would require players to not be locked out.  Even if he took the medication in January/February, and stopped in March because he knew the lockout was ending, it's still in his system.

Also, infertility is not something men talk about, and I believe his intentions. 

[DuWayne Steurer]

While I think athletes don't know (and shouldn't be expected to know) what's in every single vitamin, prescription, twinkie, etc, etc, etc, I think we are also at a time in the drug testing program where guys know what *kinds* of meds can produce positive results, or could potentially have things in them that carry risks.

Fertility drugs (we've known for a while) carry that risk.  If you're going to do some family plannin', it's not a bad idea to do some extra due diligence and make SURE that what you're being prescribed doesn't contain something on the banned substance list.  

None of us know what Severino's true intentions are/were.  No matter what we think, nobody that posts here or on twitter knows.  But given that male fertility drugs continue to be used by athletes as PEDs, it's a question that's going to get raised every time someone gets suspended..... every time someone pops positive and says "we were trying to get pregnant".  If you're using fertility meds, take the extra time to make quadruple sure it doesn't contain banned substances.  You have a well paying career that kinda depends on it.  

[adambr2]

55 minutes ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

While I think athletes don't know (and shouldn't be expected to know) what's in every single vitamin, prescription, twinkie, etc, etc, etc, I think we are also at a time in the drug testing program where guys know what *kinds* of meds can produce positive results, or could potentially have things in them that carry risks.

Fertility drugs (we've known for a while) carry that risk.  If you're going to do some family plannin', it's not a bad idea to do some extra due diligence and make SURE that what you're being prescribed doesn't contain something on the banned substance list.  

None of us know what Severino's true intentions are/were.  No matter what we think, nobody that posts here or on twitter knows.  But given that male fertility drugs continue to be used by athletes as PEDs, it's a question that's going to get raised every time someone gets suspended..... every time someone pops positive and says "we were trying to get pregnant".  If you're using fertility meds, take the extra time to make quadruple sure it doesn't contain banned substances.  You have a well paying career that kinda depends on it.  

Yep. I don't know what Severino's true intentions were, and I really don't care. He screwed up, and him and his team have to pay for it now. Everything else is just assumptions and speculation.

[patrickgpe]

On 4/5/2022 at 4:45 PM, JohnBriggs12 said:

 

Giving away Payton Henry for John Curtiss looks like a major blunder now doesn't it?  

well yes, but at the time I supported it. It would have been fine if Curtiss didn't get hurt and if Severino didn't get suspended for half a year. 

[ecjimg]

I’m wondering what happens when he comes back. Does he spend the rest of the year in the minors.  You can’t play Severino the second half and then go back to Caratini for the playoffs 

[Outlander]

Yeah, he has no options but kind of useless to the Brewers this season unless Narvaez/Caratini have a non season ending injury, then he can fill in. However, if they have a season ending injury the Brewers need to pick up somebody else since Severino can't be in the playoffs. Maybe playing the long game they could go with Caratini/Severino in 2023 since they are under team control.

[Jopal78]

41 minutes ago, Outlander said:

Yeah, he has no options but kind of useless to the Brewers this season unless Narvaez/Caratini have a non season ending injury, then he can fill in. However, if they have a season ending injury the Brewers need to pick up somebody else since Severino can't be in the playoffs. Maybe playing the long game they could go with Caratini/Severino in 2023 since they are under team control.

Caratini has options. When Severino's suspension is complete and he is ready to play, they can option Caratini to AAA, then recall him in September when the Brewers usually carry 3 catchers anyways.

Also, since Severino is suspended for half the year,  the Brewers only owe him about one million dollars. They could always just designate him for assignment if they are satisfied with their organizational depth. 

[djoctagone]

pedro severino is eligible to come off the restricted list in early july, well ahead of the trading deadline.

if they try to outright severino to the minor leagues, bear in mind that any team claiming him would not be able to use him in the postseason either. thus, i think he'd more easily clear outright waivers. severino could refuse an outright assignment and declare free agency, but again, any team signing him would not be able to use him in the postseason.

[patrickgpe]

1/4 way through the season. Severino is eligible to come back in about 40 games. The question is what do you do with him. I think Caratini has been a fine backup. I guess you could carry 3 catchers, but that could be very hard to do. The fact that he is not playoff eligible works against him, but he does have an arby year, so that could be favorable for him. 

[djoctagone]

i don't know what the rules are with the new collective bargaining agreement, but under the previous cba, minor league rehab assignments for suspended players could begin during the final two weeks of the suspension period.

also unknown with the new cba: previously, rehab assignments for position players could not last more than 20 days--which would be six days past the date the suspended player is eligible to return.

[patrickgpe]

Good questions, not sure. I don’t think they can keep Severino and Caratini on the roster from July 3rd on, as 2 offensively challenged backup catchers. I think Caratini has been good enough to move on from Severino once his suspension is over.

[djoctagone]

On 4/11/2022 at 9:59 AM, Jopal78 said:

Caratini has options. When Severino's suspension is complete and he is ready to play, they can option Caratini to AAA, then recall him in September when the Brewers usually carry 3 catchers anyways.

back in the days of 40-man roster expansion, yes. rosters expand to just 28 in september. the brewers did spend part of last september/early october carrying three catchers at a time, but that was to replace an injured rowdy tellez.

[patrickgpe]

I didn’t realize Caratini has options. Maybe then you send him down. Navarez is a FA after this season. Maybe the brewers  think long term about a Severino / Caratini catching corp next season. 

[SRB]

I liked the Severino signing at the time, but I feel like Caratini is objectively better (and performing well this season) so now that we had to trade for him I don't really see a difficult decision. Would be nice if we could sneak Severino down to AAA.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

 Maybe the brewers  think long term about a Severino / Caratini catching corp next season. 

With the way he's swinging the bat right now Feliciano could factor in next year as well.

Sending Caratini down when Severino is eligible just doesn't feel to me like something this organization would do. But I also didn't know he had options remaining. We'll see.

[kalle8]

I think one poster pointed out that suspended players aren't allowed to play in the postseason. Severino probably won't ever play in a Brewers uniform.

[Outlander]

We'll see if he ever plays for the Brewers but my guess is Severino is DFA unless there is an injury at catcher right around the 80 day mark. If somebody claims him great, if not he can be called up if somebody gets injured and potentially offer him arbitration after the season.

[patrickgpe]

9 hours ago, Outlander said:

We'll see if he ever plays for the Brewers but my guess is Severino is DFA unless there is an injury at catcher right around the 80 day mark. If somebody claims him great, if not he can be called up if somebody gets injured and potentially offer him arbitration after the season.

i get what you are saying but the brewers would then have to eat 900k, which i don't think they want to do. Severino put them in a tight spot and they made a decent acquisition to correct it, so maybe just DFA'ing him is the right answer. Its not like his offensive stats are historically better than Caratini anyway. 

[djoctagone]

On 5/30/2022 at 8:25 PM, djoctagone said:

i don't know what the rules are with the new collective bargaining agreement, but under the previous cba, minor league rehab assignments for suspended players could begin during the final two weeks of the suspension period.

also unknown with the new cba: previously, rehab assignments for position players could not last more than 20 days--which would be six days past the date the suspended player is eligible to return.

pedro severino has been sent to class aa biloxi on a rehab assignment.

[LouisEly]

On 5/31/2022 at 5:44 AM, Outlander said:

We'll see if he ever plays for the Brewers but my guess is Severino is DFA unless there is an injury at catcher right around the 80 day mark. If somebody claims him great, if not he can be called up if somebody gets injured and potentially offer him arbitration after the season.

Houston's catching has been terrible - Maldonado has almost been Cain-bad this year and last year and Castro has been Cain-worse this year.  Certainly reason for them to make a trade, even if it's just for the proverbial rookie ball lottery ticket.  The Mets' offensive production from catcher this year has also been offensive.  Cleveland and the White Sox have also struggled at catcher, especially the White Sox with Grandal on the DL.

Plenty of teams with a reason to give up at least a low-level prospect for Severino.