Final Bench Spot

[DR28]

2 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Probably a better shot of David Dahl getting that show first. 

Yea most likely... I just hope we add another bat but with CC's comment on Cutch, I dont think we will.

[nate82]

I still think Gallo and Voit for Houser is a fair deal.  If the Brewers were to trade with the Yankees and they wanted Houser it would take more than Voit for the Yankees to get Houser. 

Houser has more value on the trade market than Voit does by a lot.   

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, DR28 said:

Yea most likely... I just hope we add another bat but with CC's comment on Cutch, I dont think we will.

Right. If the plan is to give Cutch most of the DH ABs, that takes them out on Castellanos, and the OF is probably close to filled up. Potential upgrade spots are 1B and 3B, but they'd have to be pretty decent upgrades to move off of Tellez and Urias. 

[DR28]

11 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Right. If the plan is to give Cutch most of the DH ABs, that takes them out on Castellanos, and the OF is probably close to filled up. Potential upgrade spots are 1B and 3B, but they'd have to be pretty decent upgrades to move off of Tellez and Urias. 

Yea, Olson or Chapman would have been great moves for us… But w/e, I dont see any other big upgrades available.

[DR28]

1 hour ago, DR28 said:

I would love to add Austin Meadows as our LH DH... Meadows and Cutch would be a fantastic platoon at DH.

Well, well…. Hopefully we’re involved.

 

[brewerfan82]

Just to put some stats out there for the players being mentioned as possibilities to roundout the roster (both internally and otherwise)...

2019-21 vs. RHP:

#	Name	Team	G	AB	PA	H	1B	2B	3B	HR	R	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	SF	SH	GDP	SB	CS	BB%	K%	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	wRC+
1	Austin Meadows	TBR	307	811	927	218	108	50	8	52	147	145	102	9	192	10	4	0	6	16	8	11.0%	20.7%	.269	.356	.543	.899	142
2	Luke Voit	NYY	233	618	713	164	96	27	1	40	107	110	78	1	202	16	1	0	21	0	0	10.9%	28.3%	.265	.362	.506	.868	134
3	J.D. Davis	NYM	233	516	590	151	100	28	1	22	67	72	56	0	153	14	4	0	18	3	0	9.5%	25.9%	.293	.375	.479	.853	133
4	Joey Gallo	- - -	254	607	752	124	56	21	1	46	115	93	140	11	255	4	1	0	6	10	1	18.6%	33.9%	.204	.356	.470	.826	120
5	Keston Hiura	MIL	186	521	586	132	68	29	3	32	80	80	37	0	194	23	3	2	14	11	1	6.3%	33.1%	.253	.329	.505	.834	116
6	Dominic Smith	NYM	252	589	650	151	87	37	1	26	87	84	43	2	152	12	6	0	15	3	2	6.6%	23.4%	.256	.317	.455	.772	109
7	Tommy Pham	- - -	318	838	954	199	126	39	4	30	108	103	104	1	200	8	4	0	25	33	7	10.9%	21.0%	.237	.326	.401	.727	100
8	Jace Peterson	- - -	141	332	386	77	52	14	2	9	49	38	49	0	92	3	2	0	2	13	1	12.7%	23.8%	.232	.334	.367	.702	91
9	David Dahl	- - -	166	465	509	125	78	26	5	16	68	70	31	0	129	4	6	3	5	7	5	6.1%	25.3%	.269	.316	.449	.766	91
10	Mike Brosseau	TBR	94	162	180	33	20	8	1	4	16	12	12	0	62	5	0	1	4	3	0	6.7%	34.4%	.204	.279	.340	.619	74

 

2019-21 vs. LHP:

#	Name	Team	G	AB	PA	H	1B	2B	3B	HR	R	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	SF	SH	GDP	SB	CS	BB%	K%	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	wRC+
1	Tommy Pham	- - -	179	313	386	88	59	20	0	9	56	26	70	6	78	2	1	0	9	12	3	18.1%	20.2%	.281	.415	.431	.846	135
2	Mike Brosseau	TBR	104	206	229	57	32	13	0	12	34	34	18	0	61	2	3	0	1	2	0	7.9%	26.6%	.277	.336	.515	.851	131
3	Dominic Smith	NYM	147	211	239	64	44	14	0	6	18	41	22	0	49	3	3	0	5	0	1	9.2%	20.5%	.303	.372	.455	.827	129
4	J.D. Davis	NYM	146	263	303	73	47	15	0	11	42	27	37	4	68	2	1	0	8	1	0	12.2%	22.4%	.278	.370	.460	.830	125
5	Joey Gallo	- - -	180	325	387	71	31	15	1	24	52	59	52	0	151	8	1	1	0	2	1	13.4%	39.0%	.218	.339	.492	.832	123
6	Luke Voit	NYY	123	237	272	59	38	6	1	14	32	39	31	1	68	3	1	0	7	0	0	11.4%	25.0%	.249	.342	.460	.802	116
7	Jace Peterson	- - -	52	73	86	19	17	1	0	1	7	9	10	0	20	1	2	0	0	2	1	11.6%	23.3%	.260	.349	.315	.664	84
8	Austin Meadows	TBR	205	369	407	84	53	16	3	12	34	63	28	0	111	4	6	0	1	2	3	6.9%	27.3%	.228	.285	.385	.670	83
9	Keston Hiura	MIL	112	183	205	38	27	7	0	4	17	20	18	3	75	3	1	0	5	4	4	8.8%	36.6%	.208	.288	.311	.599	58
10	David Dahl	- - -	104	207	223	48	28	15	2	3	27	18	11	0	68	2	3	0	1	0	0	4.9%	30.5%	.232	.274	.367	.641	56

 

Voit (134/116), Davis (133/125), Gallo (120/123), Smith (109/129), and Pham (100/135) would all be nice additions in that they have wRC+ of at least 100 against both RHP and LHP.

[DR28]

Man, I really want us to acquire Meadows… Him and Cutch would be amazing platoon DH!

[Warning Track Power]

Meadows would be a perfect fit for this team. With Cain and McCutchen likely gone after 2022, Meadows would be a nice longer term fit. I’d be willing to part with something of value for this. Would I rather take Conforto for free? Yes, but…what’s the OF plan after 2022 outdid if Yelich and Renfroe?

[wallus]

I think Conforto may be a guy to keep an eye on if his market doesn't materialize. I would much rather have him in RF over HR personally.

[Lathund]

22 hours ago, DR28 said:

I would be ok with adding Hosmer... His power would definitely should up at AmFam... Still a good hitter and gets on base.

Eric Hosmer over the last 4 years: 99 wRC+, .323 OBP, 0.6 fWAR. He's a replacement level player at this point. He's straight up a downgrade from Tellez, who is also 5 years younger, and cheaper. The only reason to add Hosmer would be if the prospect(s) SD throw in to get someone to take him are good. 

[sveumrules]

Hosmer hits the ball on the ground too much to take advantage of AmFam.

His 56.8% ground ball rate is 3rd highest in MLB since 2016.

Other guys with GB rates that high are Nicky Lopez, Travis Jankowski, Raimel Tapia, Ian Desmond, Dee Gordon, etc

 

[wntrtxn21]

1 hour ago, Lathund said:

Eric Hosmer over the last 4 years: 99 wRC+, .323 OBP, 0.6 fWAR. He's a replacement level player at this point. He's straight up a downgrade from Tellez, who is also 5 years younger, and cheaper. The only reason to add Hosmer would be if the prospect(s) SD throw in to get someone to take him are good. 

Just say no to Hosmer. He's owed $60M. That alone is enough to forget about Hosmer. Plus he doesn't offer anything more than what the Brewers already have. 

[SRB]

The Dodgers just DFA'd utility guy Matt Beaty, who has experience at 3B/1B/OF. He'd be a great depth piece and complement to Brosseau if Urias is going to be out to start the season. In his career, Beaty has a solid line against RHP: 493 PA, .267/.339/.440/.779, .334 wOBA, 109 wRC+

[Joseph Zarr]

9 hours ago, SRB said:

The Dodgers just DFA'd utility guy Matt Beaty, who has experience at 3B/1B/OF. He'd be a great depth piece and complement to Brosseau if Urias is going to be out to start the season. In his career, Beaty has a solid line against RHP: 493 PA, .267/.339/.440/.779, .334 wOBA, 109 wRC+

Not to rain on your parade as I think this is a worthy idea:

 

That says: If you want him, you'll have to trade for Him...yah?

[Outlander]

Beaty is rather unproductive as a 1B and the OF is crowded. Could be a decent depth piece and a guy to call up when an OF gets put on the IL. Unfortunately the Brewers are still lacking in the upper minors so he would be on the top of the list for call ups.

 

[SRB]

18 hours ago, Julio Muchacho said:

Not to rain on your parade as I think this is a worthy idea:

 

That says: If you want him, you'll have to trade for Him...yah?

Yes, but as I understand it the Dodgers don't have a lot of leverage because now that they've DFA'd him he either has to be traded or goes straight to irrevocable waivers and can be claimed for nothing. The fact that he has an option left but they chose to DFA him suggests they won't be asking much.

[JohnBriggs12]

17 hours ago, Outlander said:

Beaty is rather unproductive as a 1B and the OF is crowded. Could be a decent depth piece and a guy to call up when an OF gets put on the IL. Unfortunately the Brewers are still lacking in the upper minors so he would be on the top of the list for call ups.

 

Who would you rather have?  Jace Peterson, a .230 career hitter with a career .367 slugging percentage who is out of options or Beaty who's been a useful player in the best lineup in the NL for the past 3 seasons?  Beaty doesn't have big time power, but he's slugged .425 in 556 PA in the big leagues, and has a career OPS+ of 101 compared to Peterson's 80.  Yes Peterson had a nice (for him) 2021 season, but he'll be 32 in May and he's reached his ceiling as a big leaguer.  I know Counsell loves scrappy career bench guys, but Beaty could be an everyday player on some major league teams.

 

 

[sveumrules]

Main difference between Jace & Beaty is defense. Beaty has negative DRS at all four corner spots & has never played 2B in MLB.

Jace has been primarily a 2B in MLB (over 2,500 innings) & has also graded out positively at 3B.

[clancyphile]

On 3/24/2022 at 10:50 PM, sveumrules said:

Main difference between Jace & Beaty is defense. Beaty has negative DRS at all four corner spots & has never played 2B in MLB.

Jace has been primarily a 2B in MLB (over 2,500 innings) & has also graded out positively at 3B.

He also didn't embarrass himself in LF or RF, and is, at worst, a warm body at 1B.

[monty57]

There is little doubt that Beaty should outhit Peterson, but they are very different players. The question is what the team is looking for. If they feel they need someone who can play all over the field and not embarrass himself at the plate, Jace is your guy. If they're comfortable with their utility guys, and are looking for a little more offense and someone to help improve the 1B situation, then Beaty makes more sense.

I think that Hiura is building a case for himself to get more playing time. That probably lessens the urgency for the Brewers to look at someone like Beaty. With Hiura's spring, and the injury to Urias, the final bench spot will probably be used for a versatile guy who can play some SS in a pinch, also known as Pablo Reyes. 

Hiura will get some PAs at DH vs RHP and 1B vs LHP. Peterson and Brosseau will platoon at 3B, and Reyes will be an extra utility guy who probably won't see much playing time, but can start just about anywhere on the field if necessary.

[wntrtxn21]

22 minutes ago, monty57 said:

There is little doubt that Beaty should outhit Peterson, but they are very different players. The question is what the team is looking for. If they feel they need someone who can play all over the field and not embarrass himself at the plate, Jace is your guy. If they're comfortable with their utility guys, and are looking for a little more offense and someone to help improve the 1B situation, then Beaty makes more sense.

I think that Hiura is building a case for himself to get more playing time. That probably lessens the urgency for the Brewers to look at someone like Beaty. With Hiura's spring, and the injury to Urias, the final bench spot will probably be used for a versatile guy who can play some SS in a pinch, also known as Pablo Reyes. 

Hiura will get some PAs at DH vs RHP and 1B vs LHP. Peterson and Brosseau will platoon at 3B, and Reyes will be an extra utility guy who probably won't see much playing time, but can start just about anywhere on the field if necessary.

The Brewers will only have room to keep all 3 (Hiura, Brosseau, and Reyes) through April while there is a 28-man roster. May 1 (if Urias is back by then) two of Peterson-Brosseau-Hiura-Reyes have to be sent down (I am assuming CC keeps Taylor as the 4th OF and Cain's replacement).

[monty57]

2 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

The Brewers will only have room to keep all 3 (Hiura, Brosseau, and Reyes) through April while there is a 28-man roster. May 1 (if Urias is back by then) two of Peterson-Brosseau-Hiura-Reyes have to be sent down (I am assuming CC keeps Taylor as the 4th OF and Cain's replacement).

That should give them a nice window to see Hiura in action. If he's "found it," then he is without a doubt an everyday player. If he's still the '21 version of himself, then he can get sent down to AAA and probably released after the season.

Reyes is the easy pick to get sent down, and will probably be the guy sent packing when Urias is ready (which I hope is long before the end of April). When the roster goes back to 26, if Hiura is playing like we all hope he will, it would come down to which of Peterson or Brosseau makes more sense to keep at the MLB level. If Hiura is playing like he did in '21, then he has no reason to be on the MLB roster.

[DR28]

Matt Beaty isnt available anyway, he was dealt to Padres.

[DR28]

So we couldnt give up what the Tigers gave up to get Austin Meadows???

Cant wait to watch another early exit from the playoffs.

[sveumrules]

4 minutes ago, DR28 said:

So we couldnt give up what the Tigers gave up to get Austin Meadows???

Cant wait to watch another early exit from the playoffs.

Closest prospect we have to Paredes is probably Turang. Both are MLB ready IF, back end Top 100 type prospects. Paredes a lil better with the bat, Turang a lil better with the glove.

Given the Rays are set at SS for the foreseeable future, I'd imagine they value Paredes's profile over Turang's. So maybe something like Frelick/Mitchell and a Comp B pick to beat Detroit's offer.