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[wibadgers23]

Holy smokes!! $16 million? Makes you thankful we have Hader at the price that we do…for now.

[wibadgers23]

 

[markedman5]

 

[homer]

Phillies defense should be fun to watch because it will be so bad. They better score 7 runs a game.

[sveumrules]

  On 3/19/2022 at 3:42 AM, homer said:

Phillies defense should be fun to watch because it will be so bad. They better score 7 runs a game.

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Phillies were dead last in Defensive Runs Saved last year at -54 & they’ve now added Castellanos (-7 in 2021, -48 career OF) and Schwarber (-8 last year OF/1B, -16 career OF/1B).

They are aware they only get one DH, right?

 

[nate82]

Correa to Twins:

 

[torts]

  On 3/19/2022 at 1:05 AM, KeithStone53151 said:

Braves front office comes off more and more stupid by the day. What a yikes...

 

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I dunno, maybe he shouldn't have been dragging it out?  Dude had offers he could have accepted, the team was tired of waiting and didn't want miss on his replacement.  This is just annoying and I don't feel bad for freeman at all.

[wibadgers23]

Is it really that much more enjoyable living in the Twin Cities than it is in Milwaukee or does it purely come down to Mark A being a cheaper owner? Maybe more due to organizational philosophy?  The Twins seem to have had a much easier time recruiting these big name free agents than the Brewers. Must be fun to be a Twins fan this offseason- they’ve been pretty aggressive but we’ll see if it amounts to anything.

[brewers888]

  On 3/19/2022 at 12:50 PM, wibadgers23 said:

Is it really that much more enjoyable living in the Twin Cities than it is in Milwaukee or does it purely come down to Mark A being a cheaper owner? Maybe more due to organizational philosophy?  The Twins seem to have had a much easier time recruiting these big name free agents than the Brewers. Must be fun to be a Twins fan this offseason- they’ve been pretty aggressive but we’ll see if it amounts to anything.

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Pretty sure the Twins owners are far wealthier than Attanasio and the Brewers are not signing too many long term big money deals. Our one big ticket item is Yelich and if the last two years is what he is going to be going forward we are probably wise not to give any more big contracts.

This should be a playoff team because the pitching is that good but this is a well below average offense that we just don't have the money to address.

[sveumrules]

  On 3/19/2022 at 12:50 PM, wibadgers23 said:

Is it really that much more enjoyable living in the Twin Cities than it is in Milwaukee or does it purely come down to Mark A being a cheaper owner?

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In the case of Correa specifically it could just be as simple as the Twins didn’t really have a SS on their roster while the Brewers best player is a SS.

 

[sveumrules]

  On 3/19/2022 at 1:34 PM, brewers888 said:

this is a well below average offense that we just don't have the money to address.

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Last year the Brewers scored 4.56 runs per game vs an NL average of 4.46 runs per game.

Which moves do you believe they’ve made to take the offense from slightly above to well below average?

[superfly]

  On 3/19/2022 at 1:34 PM, brewers888 said:

Pretty sure the Twins owners are far wealthier than Attanasio and the Brewers are not signing too many long term big money deals. Our one big ticket item is Yelich and if the last two years is what he is going to be going forward we are probably wise not to give any more big contracts.

This should be a playoff team because the pitching is that good but this is a well below average offense that we just don't have the money to address.

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Wealthier, but very cheap (until this offseason apparently...guess they got tired of being berated for 20 years finally).

[brewerfan82]

Hard to argue that MA is significantly cheaper than the Twins owner when they basically have the same payroll and have been fairly comparable the past few seasons (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/):

• 2022: Brewers $109M vs. Twins $107M (incl. Correa signing)
• 2021: $99M vs. $120M
• 2020: $41M vs. $55M
• 2019: $135M vs. $125M
• 4-Year Average: $96M vs. $102M

[JosephC]

  On 3/19/2022 at 12:14 PM, torts said:

I dunno, maybe he shouldn't have been dragging it out?  Dude had offers he could have accepted, the team was tired of waiting and didn't want miss on his replacement.  This is just annoying and I don't feel bad for freeman at all.

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The Braves had offered 5 years, 140 million, 28 million per year.

Freeman came back with proposals of either 5 years, 165 million (33 million per season) or 6 years, 175 million (29.1 million).

After Atlanta traded for Olson, Freeman pretty much immediately agrees to a 6 year, 162 million deal (27 million) with the Dodgers.

We now know what the top of the market was for Freeman....6 years at 27 million per season.  Braves were at 5 years, 28 million.  If Freeman really wanted to remain a Brave, there was more middle ground to work there instead of coming back with a 5 year, 165 million per season counter-proposal which was far, far better deal than what the top of the market really was (Dodgers ended up giving him 3 million less and got an extra year).

But if one follows the timeline, the Dodgers having serious interest in Freeman reports popped up just over a week ago, and I think the Braves probably got into the mindset of "we aren't getting into a bidding war with the biggest spenders in baseball" and just decided to move on.

[benji]

I think the Brewers know they will win the division or at the worst be second and get a wild card spot. I think they want to give Hiura a chance to get right. If in June the offense is not good enough they will add. 

[brewers888]

  On 3/19/2022 at 2:58 PM, benji said:

I think the Brewers know they will win the division or at the worst be second and get a wild card spot. I think they want to give Hiura a chance to get right. If in June the offense is not good enough they will add. 

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The Brewers will add mid season but expect the additions to be like Escobar and Rowdy which are not difference making additions as we all found out last postseason when Atlanta had a star in Freeman and we had nothing comparable.

This team needs an MVP level Yelich but are foolish if they are expecting it.

[Brock Beauchamp]

  On 3/19/2022 at 2:21 PM, brewerfan82 said:

Hard to argue that MA is significantly cheaper than the Twins owner when they basically have the same payroll and have been fairly comparable the past few seasons (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/?

• 2022: Brewers $109M vs. Twins $107M (incl. Correa signing)
• 2021: $99M vs. $120M
• 2020: $41M vs. $55M
• 2019: $135M vs. $125M
• 4-Year Average: $96M vs. $102M

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Especially considering that the TC metro is 50% larger than MKE. The Brewers aren't cheap in comparison to the Twins, if anything I'd argue they spend more and better than Minnesota.

[NBBrewFan]

  On 3/19/2022 at 3:15 PM, brewers888 said:

The Brewers will add mid season but expect the additions to be like Escobar and Rowdy which are not difference making additions as we all found out last postseason when Atlanta had a star in Freeman and we had nothing comparable.

This team needs an MVP level Yelich but are foolish if they are expecting it.

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You left out Willy Adames, but I'm sure that's just an oversight and not because it doesn't support your argument.

[sveumrules]

  On 3/19/2022 at 3:15 PM, brewers888 said:

The Brewers will add mid season but expect the additions to be like Escobar and Rowdy which are not difference making additions as we all found out last postseason when Atlanta had a star in Freeman and we had nothing comparable.

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Freddie had a 133 OPS+ in 2021, Adames was at 135 with the Brewers, that’s pretty comparable.

The Braves WS winning offense was powered largely by bargain bin midseason pickups…

DS: Joc, 91 OPS+ when traded. Drove in 41.7% of Braves DS runs in 5% of Braves DS PAs.

CS: Rosario, 86 OPS+ when traded. 1647 OPS as NLCS MVP

WS: Soler, 76 OPS+ when traded. 1191 OPS as WS MVP.

[jerichoholicninja]

  On 3/19/2022 at 12:14 PM, torts said:

I dunno, maybe he shouldn't have been dragging it out?  Dude had offers he could have accepted, the team was tired of waiting and didn't want miss on his replacement.  This is just annoying and I don't feel bad for freeman at all.

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Ya, Freddie Rodgers is really annoying here.

[sveumrules]

Read that the deferrals in Freeman’s contract bring the present day value down closer to 140, so it’s not like the Braves reported offers were lowballing him.

I actually think both sides “won” here.

Freddie is going going, back back, to Cali Cali & gets his 6 years from the best organization in baseball over the last decade. Who knows, maybe he can help them finally win a WS in a 162 game season.

Braves get the younger player, who is also a local guy, for two extra years at roughly the same price & he lines up age wise better with ATL’s young core.

[DuWayne Steurer]

 

Not too big of a spend to get Soler.  12 mil AAV.  He's not gonna win any gold gloves, but he's only entering his age 30 season, so he shouldn't decline *too* much in the next three years. 

 

[Adam Rygg]

  On 3/20/2022 at 2:09 AM, RoCoBrewfan said:

 

Not too big of a spend to get Soler.  12 mil AAV.  He's not gonna win any gold gloves, but he's only entering his age 30 season, so he shouldn't decline *too* much in the next three years. 

 

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I think I also read that Soler has two opt outs like the Correa contract does.

[craigharmann]

  On 3/19/2022 at 1:35 PM, sveumrules said:

In the case of Correa specifically it could just be as simple as the Twins didn’t really have a SS on their roster while the Brewers best player is a SS.

 

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And would Mark and the Brewers be willing to commit for 1 year? That’s essentially what this contract for Correa will be. He wanted 10/350+. Because of his back, there were concerns and he didn’t get it. So he’s betting on himself. If he stays healthy, continues to play elite D and leads the Twins to the playoffs, he’s opting out and getting his big payday. If not, 3/105 keeps his family very well set.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

  On 3/18/2022 at 4:25 PM, DR28 said:

Jesus christ Stearns, you couldnt match that?? My god this is so frustrating.

All the NL contenders are getting better than us… Dodgers, Mets, Padres, Phillies, etc

Speaking of Phillies, they’re close to adding Castellanos.

Cant wait to waste this pitching AGAIN.

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Can we go back to the lockout?