Aaron Rodgers Trade ideas

[LouisEly]

Yes I read it. You can't trade Rodgers as a move to clear space to to tag and trade Adams in the same transaction. The space to tag Adams needs to be available first.

They absolutely can trade to clear cap space. The Rams traded Michael Brockers and the Saints traded Malcom Brown last year effective 3/17 to clear space to get under the cap.

 

This article is talking about how the Saints may have to trade players to get under the cap.

[OldHeidelberg]

Yes I read it. You can't trade Rodgers as a move to clear space to to tag and trade Adams in the same transaction. The space to tag Adams needs to be available first.

They absolutely can trade to clear cap space. The Rams traded Michael Brockers and the Saints traded Malcom Brown last year effective 3/17 to clear space to get under the cap.

 

This article is talking about how the Saints may have to trade players to get under the cap.

 

I think if you could trade to clear space pre deadline you would see a lot more of it rather than releasing players. Trade and release often have the same effect on the cap so you would see a ton of "future consideration" and low round pick type deals from cap strapped teams. This is probably designed as the players union would rather see those players released so they can get new contracts and more money. But I mentioned earlier that they could work out a trade and extend Rodgers to clear space if all 3 parties are in agreement and then officially trade him on Mar 16, as far as I know there are no rules stopping this. I could be wrong about all of this of course.

[LouisEly]

While correct on Top 51, at the moment each one of those contracts counts against the 51 because the roster isn't full. Plus, those guys they sign from here will simply have a netting effect. The 70 million doesn't factor in draft signings or free agents at all.

The draft signings will have to make the team first in order to count against the cap. If/when they do make the team, they push out someone else whose contract will no longer count against the cap. The actual effective cap space needed is the rookie bonus pool minus ($705k x # of draft picks).

 

The Packers effective rookie cap space is a little over $3.3M including the two comp picks.

 

Once a team gets under the cap effective 3/17, they can go over the cap as long as they are under by the first game of the season.

[LouisEly]

I think if you could trade to clear space pre deadline you would see a lot more of it rather than releasing players. Trade and release often have the same effect on the cap so you would see a ton of "future consideration" and low round pick type deals from cap strapped teams.

That's exactly what happened with Brockers and Brown. Remember the consternation here when Brockers was traded for a 7th round pick, and people complained about not making space for him? Brown was traded for a 7th as well.

 

Remember, in the NFL because of the cap and pulling forward signing bonus allocations when traded, trades for big players rarely happen. It affects both the team receiving and the team trading the player. I'm pretty sure that if teams could trade a player for anything instead of cutting him they would.

 

The Brockers trade details

[OldHeidelberg]

I guess I am not sure but the Brockers articles I find don't say he was traded before the deadline to save room, getting $1 under the cap isn't enough for draft picks and as Peavey pointed out ERFA's so more room might have been needed by the Rams after the start of the NFL year. I mean Preston Smith has an $8 Million dollar base salary next season which I think is all the destination team would have to pay him, I would think a bunch of teams would jump at that and even pay 4th or 5th round pick not to have to get into a longer deal in free agency. The article I read on the Stafford trade a few days ago said they had to wait until after the start of the new year to complete it.

[LouisEly]

I guess I am not sure but the Brockers articles I find don't say he was traded before the deadline to save room.

The first sentence of the article says so.

 

Do a Google search and look at the dates of the articles about the trade.

[adambr2]

Yes I read it. You can't trade Rodgers as a move to clear space to to tag and trade Adams in the same transaction. The space to tag Adams needs to be available first.

They absolutely can trade to clear cap space. The Rams traded Michael Brockers and the Saints traded Malcom Brown last year effective 3/17 to clear space to get under the cap.

 

This article is talking about how the Saints may have to trade players to get under the cap.

 

I'm not trying to be snide, but I don't understand how you got any of that out of what I said. I never said nor implied that they couldn't trade to clear cap space.

 

Again, they can't use a Rodgers trade as a mechanism to free up space for an Adams tag because the space for the Adams tag must be available BEFORE Rodgers is traded. There is not a possibility for a simultaneous transaction here. They have to find the space to not only get under the cap but get far enough under to tag Adams, tag him, and then when the new league year starts they can complete a trade.

[OldHeidelberg]

I guess I am not sure but the Brockers articles I find don't say he was traded before the deadline to save room.

The first sentence of the article says so.

 

Do a Google search and look at the dates of the articles about the trade.

 

Every single article I found says it was mar 17, the start of the NFL new year, am I missing something? The article you linked says they restructured 5 players and tried to restructure him, I don't think that means they didn't get under but still traded him after the start of the new year to clear more space, one article says it freed up space to extend Floyd. Again, why can't the Packer trade Preston for a 7th rounder rather than cut him? I am not sure I am right here but the rules clearly state trades start at the start of the NFL year, if there is window to get the Rodgers trade in before the cap deadline that certainly makes things easier so I hope you are right.

[LouisEly]

Yes, you are missing something. All transactions (trades, restructures, etc.) are effective 3pm on the first day of the league year (which was March 17th last year) and go into creating the cap room that's needed at that day/time. You're misunderstanding "after the start of the league year" to mean "after 3pm on the first day of the league year". It all happens at the same time - 3pm.

 

The article on Brockers literally says he was traded to hep get under the cap. Here's an article on Malcom Brown saying the same thing.

[OldHeidelberg]

OK I don't want to beat this to death, I will drop it. I am in agreement with you that cap room can be made if needed to tag Adams for a trade if Rodgers leaves which is what the premise of this thread is, if Rodgers wants to go you do what it takes even if it gets as far as restructuring Clark.

 

Edit: I guess thinking about it maybe you are right and teams would rather just wait for Preston to be released, that we don't see those type trades in bunches every year was really what changed my mind about this a few days ago.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Rumor that he's building a house in Nashville. So start up the Titan trade rumors too.

 

Nashville is awesome. If I had unlimited funds and could live anywhere I wanted, it would probably be the place I'd pick. If Rodgers is building a house there, it likely has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to play for the Titans.

[reillymcshane]

Anyone have any Rodgers to Tennessee trade proposals?

[PeaveyFury]

Titans seem like a tough fit because they don't have a 2nd and pick late in the 1st (26th). Seems like they'd have to basically be willing to give up their 22 and 23 drafts for a deal to be more attractive than elsewhere, IMO.

[nate82]

Titans seem like a tough fit because they don't have a 2nd and pick late in the 1st (26th). Seems like they'd have to basically be willing to give up their 22 and 23 drafts for a deal to be more attractive than elsewhere, IMO.

 

Cap wise it also doesn't work for the Titans as Tannehill has a dead cap hit of $57,400,000. So the Titans can't release Tannehill and they wouldn't be able to trade him either. I don't think you can restructure and then trade either.

[LouisEly]

Again, they can't use a Rodgers trade as a mechanism to free up space for an Adams tag because the space for the Adams tag must be available BEFORE Rodgers is traded. There is not a possibility for a simultaneous transaction here. They have to find the space to not only get under the cap but get far enough under to tag Adams, tag him, and then when the new league year starts they can complete a trade.

Can you please provide evidence of this?

 

Everything I read says that teams have to be under the cap at 3pm on March 16th and all transactions (trades, restructurings, taggings, etc.) are processed and effective at the same time (3pm March 16th) to assess the cap space.

[adambr2]

Again, they can't use a Rodgers trade as a mechanism to free up space for an Adams tag because the space for the Adams tag must be available BEFORE Rodgers is traded. There is not a possibility for a simultaneous transaction here. They have to find the space to not only get under the cap but get far enough under to tag Adams, tag him, and then when the new league year starts they can complete a trade.

Can you please provide evidence of this?

 

Everything I read says that teams have to be under the cap at 3pm on March 16th and all transactions (trades, restructurings, taggings, etc.) are processed and effective at the same time (3pm March 16th) to assess the cap space.

 

The period for applying the tags is from February 22nd thru March 8th. The player can sign them at any time, so a team has to have the space to make the offer.

 

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2022/01/26/Aaron-Rodgers-decide-Green-Bay-Packers-future-by-March-franchise-tag-deadline/9701643207614/

[nate82]

Since Adams is a non-exclusive franchise tag he will get $20.12m for next season if the Packers franchise tag him which doesn't mean he will be back with the Packers for 2022. So I don't believe tagging Adams is going to get it done and they will be forced to sign him to a long term contract if the plan is to keep Rodgers. With the non-exclusive franchise tag it means any team can negotiate with Adams for a contract and the Packers can offer a better contract. I believe this is the same thing the Packers did with Bahk a few years ago. If the Packers don't match I believe they receive two 1st round picks so a team would have to be willing to lose two first round picks to sign Adams.

 

This can get really complicated for the Packers if they franchise Adams and they don't offer Adams a contract and instead just let him leave. If the Packers do this then the Packers are going to have a very angry Rodgers on their hands which he may just retire or force the Packers to trade him. The drama will be awesome!

 

If the Packers intend to keep Rodgers they have to resign Adams which means MVS is more than likely gone along with a lot of the Packers defense. I still believe it just doesn't make any sense for the Packers future wise to keep both Rodgers and Adams and it is probably better to hit the reset button now and move on.

 

Trade wise I think Denver makes the most sense as the Packers could restock rather quickly getting a couple of 1st round picks by trading Rodgers and Adams.

 

Another possibility would be the Colts. Wentz, 2023 1st round pick, 2022 2nd round pick (47), 2022 3rd round pick (82), 2023 2nd round pick, 2024 1st round pick, 2025 1st round pick and 2024 4th round pick. The Packers could then cut, trade or keep Wentz. The Colts would receive both Rodgers and Adams.

[adambr2]

Is MVS really getting a good payday? He does not seem like something worth breaking the bank to me, but I think Robby Anderson got like 2/30 and Nelson Agholor something similar and JuJu got like 1/8 so I couldn't even begin to try to gauge the receiver market.

[LouisEly]

The period for applying the tags is from February 22nd thru March 8th. The player can sign them at any time, so a team has to have the space to make the offer.

 

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2022/01/26/Aaron-Rodgers-decide-Green-Bay-Packers-future-by-March-franchise-tag-deadline/9701643207614/

The franchise tag is for their 2022 salary which isn't effective until 3pm March 16th.

 

The reason that Rodgers is deciding before March 8th is so that Adams can negotiate a longer/more guaranteed $ deal than a one-year franchise tag. He's doing it so that Adams doesn't get tagged on a one-year deal, not because he has to in order to tag Adams. The article you linked says nothing that supports your stance.

[adambr2]

The period for applying the tags is from February 22nd thru March 8th. The player can sign them at any time, so a team has to have the space to make the offer.

 

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2022/01/26/Aaron-Rodgers-decide-Green-Bay-Packers-future-by-March-franchise-tag-deadline/9701643207614/

The franchise tag is for their 2022 salary which isn't effective until 3pm March 16th.

 

The reason that Rodgers is deciding before March 8th is so that Adams can negotiate a longer/more guaranteed $ deal than a one-year franchise tag. He's doing it so that Adams doesn't get tagged on a one-year deal, not because he has to in order to tag Adams. The article you linked says nothing that supports your stance.

 

Ok. I guess you'll find out next month. They have to have the cap space to tag/trade Adams. They can't literally trade a player at the same time as tagging him while simultaneously being able to do it because now they have enough space to tag him after trading him. Its not a stance, its the actual facts and reality of tagging/trading Adams. I'm not going to continue posting every link and going on with this back and forth. If you'd like more information on it, go follow Ken Ingalls on Twitter who does much more research and reporting on this kind of thing than you and I.

[OldHeidelberg]

Just came across these Rodgers odds, these aren't real odds you can get in Vegas just projected:

 

2022 Team Odds Green Bay Packers +200 Denver Broncos +200 Pittsburgh Steelers +550 Miami Dolphins +750 Las Vegas Raiders +1700 New Orleans Saints +1800 San Francisco 49ers +1800 Cleveland Browns +5000 Indianapolis Colts +6000 Philadelphia Eagles +6000 Carolina Panthers +7500 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +7500 Houston Texans +7500

 

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/betting/nfl/article258019093.html#storylink=cpy

[GAME05]

A year ago I was betting on the Dolphins making the trade, but at this point I would probably say Tua has shown enough to keep him as the starter.

 

Sure are a lot of teams on that list you could mark as SB contenders if they had an All-Pro QB.

[nate82]

A year ago I was betting on the Dolphins making the trade, but at this point I would probably say Tua has shown enough to keep him as the starter.

 

Sure are a lot of teams on that list you could mark as SB contenders if they had an All-Pro QB.

 

Put Rodgers and Adams on the Colts and they are probably the overwhelming Super Bowl favorites with Taylor at RB. Wentz really dragged that team down and cost them a spot in the playoffs. The Colts probably go 10-7 or better with Rodgers or anyone else but Wentz at QB.

[GAME05]

I'm sure Rodgers would love the idea of playing behind the best offensive line in football in Indianapolis. Best QB, best OL, best RB.....that offense would be incredible. Maybe they don't have that much as far as draft picks go, but I'd imagine if Rodgers demanded a certain team, Green Bay would probably abide.

 

Couldn't you also say roughly the same thing about the Browns? I don't think they've officially exercised Mayfield's 5th year option yet.

 

Can we even be all that sure that Russel Wilson will be traded in the offseason? It seemed like his issue was taking a million hits behind a bad offensive line. You'd think a first-round OL and maybe also a FA addition would pretty well solve that issue.

[LouisEly]

Ok. I guess you'll find out next month. They have to have the cap space to tag/trade Adams. They can't literally trade a player at the same time as tagging him while simultaneously being able to do it because now they have enough space to tag him after trading him. Its not a stance, its the actual facts and reality of tagging/trading Adams. I'm not going to continue posting every link and going on with this back and forth. If you'd like more information on it, go follow Ken Ingalls on Twitter who does much more research and reporting on this kind of thing than you and I.

The part of your quote that I bolded is not what you have been saying. The question was about trading Rodgers to clear cap space for tagging Adams, not trading Adams. You said so yourself:

 

adambr2 said:

Again, they can't use a Rodgers trade as a mechanism to free up space for an Adams tag because the space for the Adams tag must be available BEFORE Rodgers is traded.

 

Yes, they have to have the cap space on March 16th at 3pm in order to tag and trade Adams. But you were talking about trading Rodgers to free up space to tag Adams, which they absolutely can do. The Saints and Rams did it last year to get under the cap. In the article you linked, Rodgers literally said that he's deciding on his future in February so that Adams doesn't get tagged:

 

"One decision that will be upcoming will be obviously Davante and his future with the team," Rodgers said. "There still is this thing called a franchise tag, which I don't think '17' [Adams] wants."