Game 17: Packers @ Lions - Sunday, January 9th Noon CT

[GAME05]

JT O'Sullivan has a youtube channel where he breaks down QB play. He did a bit from Love's Chiefs start and generally liked the guy. He blamed a lot on bad offensive line play but thought Love's decision-making was good. The biggest negative on Love is that he would often just miss the throw.

 

One thing I've been watching now because O'Sullivan brings it up a lot is sometimes QBs will drop back but they won't go straight back and instead veer to the side, which exposes them to a lot more pressure from the DE. I guess Baker Mayfield does this a lot.

[Fear The Chorizo]

It's fair to say that it's premature to totally discount Love since it took Rodgers 2 plus years to establish himself. But, from what we've seen to date, Love has had zero games which can be described as terrific and doesn't look ready to take over as starter. It would be a disaster to switch from Rodgers to Love now. We'll see in another year.

 

You could have stated the exact same thing about Rodgers after his 2nd NFL season had he been handed the reins heading into his 3rd year and been 100% correct.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Packers fans need to come to grips with the fact that the next starting QB after AR is gone is going to throw interceptions at a rate much greater than 4 or 5 per season, regardless if that's Jordan Love or someone else. Above all else we have been very spoiled in that category.

 

I don't expect Jordan Love (or whoever the next guy is) to throw only one pick every 3-4 games, but I think Lafleur shares the "turnover averse" philosophy that Rodgers has instilled into the offense. I think that's something that will really be pushed hard onto Love if he's the guy that takes the reins from Rodgers going forward.

[homer]

Rodgers is an all timer at protecting the ball. I think he's had the best TD:INT ratio the last 7 years in a row or something. No one will ever be that good.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Both of Love's picks in yesterday's game are just kind of 'meh' - Rodgers dropped a good pass in stride that actually had a chance to break into a huge play and instead tipped it to a defender, and the one at the end of the game was an overthrow with a free blitzer in his face where taking a sack ends the game. Not a great decision to throw over the middle in that spot with no timeouts, but chalk it up to growing pains/inexperience in that spot.

 

Even the INT he threw at KC, Adams had his hand on the ball 1st on a 1 on 1 ball and the DB made a great play to pick it off - could it have been thrown 6" more towards the back shoulder of Adams and likely led to a big completion and potential TD? Definitely - but it's not like he's misreading coverages and making horrible decisions with where he's throwing the ball.

 

I will say that Love has got to improve throwing accuracy - but some of that has to be rooted in limited gametime reps with starting receivers, too. Rodgers also struggled often when having to throw some of those timing routes to Winfree and ESB because they were often not in the spot they were supposed to be.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Rodgers is an all timer at protecting the ball. I think he's had the best TD:INT ratio the last 7 years in a row or something. No one will ever be that good.

 

 

No, I wasn't suggesting that at all. I just mean as a general philosophy, I think that's something the team in general will try to carry forward as well as they can. Just being "turnover averse".

[MrTPlush]

I mean, probably fair to accept one can live another 50 years and probably not see another Packers QB ever even flirt with the level of Aaron Rodgers.

 

I think Jordan Love could be acceptable on the Packers. Will he be good enough to make pro bowls and get us to a Super Bowl, ehh, jury is out on that one obviously. I think he has enough potential that it will be hard for him to suck in our organization. It is a good team, good coaching, and he sat under a pretty good QB for a few years. Now if you put him in a less well run organization? Yah, could definitely see him sucking. But here, I think we could make him system QB decent at minimum.

[jerichoholicninja]

Packers fan have been spoiled with nearly 3 decades of elite to near-elite level QB play. I chuckle when I read posters here knocking Stafford or Cousins for their good but not great play. Newsflash - this is what 28 or so other teams have had while Favre and Rodgers wore green and gold and almost certainly what Packers fans are going to have to deal with from whoever it is that replaces Arod.

[SeaBass]

Packers fans need to come to grips with the fact that the next starting QB after AR is gone is going to throw interceptions at a rate much greater than 4 or 5 per season, regardless if that's Jordan Love or someone else. Above all else we have been very spoiled in that category.

 

I don't expect Jordan Love (or whoever the next guy is) to throw only one pick every 3-4 games, but I think Lafleur shares the "turnover averse" philosophy that Rodgers has instilled into the offense. I think that's something that will really be pushed hard onto Love if he's the guy that takes the reins from Rodgers going forward.

Most of the top QBs this season have thrown 12 to 17 INTs, if the next QB throws 12 that's a 300% increase from Rodgers' number this season. Heck, Rodgers has thrown for 15 total INTs the last 4 seasons combined. It's going to be a frame of mind adjustment even if they're throwing INTs on par with other top QBs.

[Daubs]

This proves Aaron Rodgers is the MVP, right?

 

Without him, the Packers lose to a 2-13-1 team.

 

[sarcasm]An MVP wouldn't go on the ManningCast and cost his team a win[/sarcasm]

[brewcrewdue80]

When Rodgers was bad...

 

 

NE was an AFC Championship game team that season at 12-4. Detroit yesterday was 2-13-1 eliminated from playoffs at least 5 weeks prior if not more. If Love were on Detroit and playing the Packers that would fit the kind of team Rodgers faced in that game.

 

I don't know where his future is. Rodgers is here and he's on the bench. Rotting away the value that should have been a 1st+4th rd contributor to a 13-3 team. 2 more years of Rodgers equals the moment you either give Love a contract with his option or let him go away to Free Agency with barely a thing to show for it except a backup sitting on the bench. Which knowing Rodgers' contract prior to selecting Love made the decision, again, poor. Trading up even worse to do it. If Love doesn't qb a single season for GB everyone involved with that pick should be fired, no matter what prestige may occur before then.

[RobertR]

It's fair to say that it's premature to totally discount Love since it took Rodgers 2 plus years to establish himself. But, from what we've seen to date, Love has had zero games which can be described as terrific and doesn't look ready to take over as starter. It would be a disaster to switch from Rodgers to Love now. We'll see in another year.

 

You could have stated the exact same thing about Rodgers after his 2nd NFL season had he been handed the reins heading into his 3rd year and been 100% correct.

 

Sure. And the point is, the Packers didn't do that then. And, if they can help it, they shouldn't do that now.

 

I expect that if Rodgers comes back, he's likely to miss a game or two. If he doesn't, I expect the Packers to pick up a solid veteran to be an alternative to Love if he's not ready to just grab the job and run with it. Game experience will likely help him, but I'm not ready to turn the page on Rodgers yet, even if the end of his run is coming in the next few years.

[nodakfan17]

I’ve slept on it for two nights and I’m still not pleased by the Packers defense getting clowned on multiple trick plays against the Lions. Oh well, the real season begins in 2 weeks. I’ll reserve judgement until then.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

When Rodgers was bad...

 

 

NE was an AFC Championship game team that season at 12-4. Detroit yesterday was 2-13-1 eliminated from playoffs at least 5 weeks prior if not more. If Love were on Detroit and playing the Packers that would fit the kind of team Rodgers faced in that game.

 

I don't know where his future is. Rodgers is here and he's on the bench. Rotting away the value that should have been a 1st+4th rd contributor to a 13-3 team. 2 more years of Rodgers equals the moment you either give Love a contract with his option or let him go away to Free Agency with barely a thing to show for it except a backup sitting on the bench. Which knowing Rodgers' contract prior to selecting Love made the decision, again, poor. Trading up even worse to do it. If Love doesn't qb a single season for GB everyone involved with that pick should be fired, no matter what prestige may occur before then.

 

Aaron Rodgers' 2019 season, while a good season for most QBs, was definitely NOT up to the standard that Rodgers has created throughout his career. His accuracy was as bad as its ever been, and he struggled getting out of the pocket at times. It appeared that age was potentially catching up with him.

 

The Packers' front office saw the same thing. That's why Jordan Love is a Packer. Who could have foresaw this absolute career renaissance that is likely to lead to two straight MVP awards? I certainly didn't. If you say you did, you are probably lying.

 

I wasn't a big fan of the Love pick at the time, but it was actually easy to understand why they did it. The QB is the engine that makes every NFL team go. If they believe that Love can be the engine that runs this team for the next decade +, then it will end up looking like a genius pick. Maybe he will never be a great QB, but at least the team has a short- and long-term plan in place at the most important position in the NFL, which is better than 90% of NFL teams.

 

And no, if Love doesn't QB a single season for GB, the people involved in that pick WILL NOT be fired (come on, seriously?). Because that would mean that Aaron Rodgers is still QB and playing at a high level, and they have likely traded off Love to recoup some draft capitol.

[adambr2]

I’ve slept on it for two nights and I’m still not pleased by the Packers defense getting clowned on multiple trick plays against the Lions. Oh well, the real season begins in 2 weeks. I’ll reserve judgement until then.

 

I think the bigger picture that the defense has been trending in the wrong direction the last month or two kind of amplifies the concern with it. If it were just a one off lousy defensive game I probably wouldn't be all that worried.