Game 17: Packers @ Lions - Sunday, January 9th Noon CT

[nodakfan17]

It’s like the ‘Love isn’t it’ posts were queued up and waiting for the first mistake…..

I waited until the second mistake.

[OldHeidelberg]

Let's just say he wasn't Matt Flynn and put this game thread to bed.

 

 

We survived hopefully without serious injury and Bakh looked fine. Good times.

[yourout]

As usual the Packers playoff chances rest on the defense at least not sucking.

 

Not very optimistic about getting to the super bowl right now.

 

I hope this was your feeling before the game and not as a result of what you saw today?

 

A bit of both but mostly the fact they have been giving up to many points over the last 1/4 of the season.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Right, you're talking about the desperation heave from his own 40 with like 20 seconds left and no timeouts.

 

Just admit you want the guy to fail. It's beyond transparent.

 

The underthrow to St. Brown was worse than either of the picks by a wide margin. Could have been interesting if that's on target. I thought he did a nice job overall, unfortunately the silly bouncing INT and the prayer throw will make it look worse than he was.

I just call it like I see it, and I haven't liked what I saw.

 

The second interception is not so much the interception, although that was bad. It was the decision to throw in the middle of the field with no time outs left. I can't remember who the intended receiver was, I think ESB, but it looked to me he wanted to let that ball drop incomplete to save time. If he catches that ball they might not even have time to run one more play. Certainly not two.

 

He had like 1 second to throw. A guy literally charged at him untouched. The game was already firmly in miracle territory, with the time left, picking up a huge chunk of yards was probably more important than lobbing the ball out of bounds to preserve a Hail Mary opportunity. INT or incomplete pass that game was coming down to a very low-percentage throw one way or another.

[sveumrules]

As usual the Packers playoff chances rest on the defense at least not sucking.

 

Not very optimistic about getting to the super bowl right now.

 

Coming into the game today Football Outsiders had the Packers at 40.6% to win the NFCCG.

 

If you asked me to pick between them making or not making the SB, I'd pick not making the Super Bowl because that's what the odds say is most likely.

 

If you asked me to pick any one NFC team to make the Super Bowl, I'd pick the Packers because that's what the odds say is most likely.

[yourout]

As usual the Packers playoff chances rest on the defense at least not sucking.

 

Not very optimistic about getting to the super bowl right now.

 

Coming into the game today Football Outsiders had the Packers at 40.6% to win the NFCCG.

 

If you asked me to pick between them making or not making the SB, I'd pick not making the Super Bowl because that's what the odds say is most likely.

 

If you asked me to pick any one NFC team to make the Super Bowl, I'd pick the Packers because that's what the odds say is most likely.

 

If i had to bet.

Tampa

Then Dallas

Then green Bay.

[nodakfan17]

This proves Aaron Rodgers is the MVP, right?

 

Without him, the Packers lose to a 2-13-1 team.

[yourout]

This proves Aaron Rodgers is the MVP, right?

 

Without him, the Packers lose to a 2-13-1 team.

 

Without him they might be the 2-13-1 team.

[RobertR]

I'm still of the opinion that Love's not going to be the next Favre or Rodgers. He might be better than Justin Fields and whoever else is the quarterback of the future in the division. Especially if he's surrounded by better personnel, that can hold on to the ball when thrown to them. Missing St. Brown was his biggest mistake and I don't think a potentially elite quarterback would have missed that.

 

We'll see about the playoffs. But, I don't think there's another team in the playoffs that's obviously superior.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I'm still of the opinion that Love's not going to be the next Favre or Rodgers. He might be better than Justin Fields and whoever else is the quarterback of the future in the division. Especially if he's surrounded by better personnel, that can hold on to the ball when thrown to them. Missing St. Brown was his biggest mistake and I don't think a potentially elite quarterback would have missed that.

 

We'll see about the playoffs. But, I don't think there's another team in the playoffs that's obviously superior.

 

So Love probably won't be one of the 10 best quarterbacks in NFL history. Got it. That doesn't mean the Packers can't win with him longterm, though.

 

I just have a tough time assessing what he (or any young qb with next to no NFL game experience) will be a few seasons into starting full time. Going to hold off on judging what he could become until he's actually given the chance to be a starting quarterback.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm sorry guys but these takes are just beyond reasonable. He's not going to EVER be a great QB because he missed a deep throw down the middle of the field? They all miss throws. We've got almost no sample here. The reality is that until he's given control of a team, not spot cleanup duty and Week 18 preseason squad, will we actually know what kind of player he's going to be. Rodgers himself was largely a joke until a good half in Dallas in his third season. Nobody was high on him until that game. Give the guy a chance to fail. A realistic chance.

[nodakfan17]

Rob Demovsky pointed out that since Week 2, Jordan Love has thrown more interceptions (3) than Aaron Rodgers (2).

[Jimbo]

I mean if I am a Lions fan I am calling for the Lions to lay down and lose. I know there isn't a can't miss QB or anything still nice to have #1.

 

Shades of Ron Pitts, circa 1988.

[Jimbo]

New drinking game. Take a shot every time the camera pans to Mr. and Mrs. St. Brown.

 

St. Brown has been with the team what, three years? This is the first I'm hearing of his background. Dual citizenship and trilingual!

[RobertR]

I'm still of the opinion that Love's not going to be the next Favre or Rodgers. He might be better than Justin Fields and whoever else is the quarterback of the future in the division. Especially if he's surrounded by better personnel, that can hold on to the ball when thrown to them. Missing St. Brown was his biggest mistake and I don't think a potentially elite quarterback would have missed that.

 

We'll see about the playoffs. But, I don't think there's another team in the playoffs that's obviously superior.

 

So Love probably won't be one of the 10 best quarterbacks in NFL history. Got it. That doesn't mean the Packers can't win with him longterm, though.

 

I just have a tough time assessing what he (or any young qb with next to no NFL game experience) will be a few seasons into starting full time. Going to hold off on judging what he could become until he's actually given the chance to be a starting quarterback.

 

Fair.

 

We haven't seen much of Love. I haven't seen any signs that he's going to be a terrific quarterback at his best, though. You'd like to see some play that suggests upside. But, as I suggested, I don't see anyone else in the division that's going to be obviously better. Goff is adequate. Fields is athletic but raw. Zimmer torched Mond this past week.

 

That said, I've seen a lot of bad quarterback play by young QBs this year. Love appears to make generally solid decisions. But, he kind of lacks the accuracy and quick decision making to take advantage of matchups. Hopefully both improve. But, unlike with Favre and Rodgers, the incumbent QB is clearly the superior choice for the next season. There was a reason that the Packers wanted to move from Favre to Rodgers, I don't see any urgency in moving on from Rodgers to Love.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Favre quit. He would have been a starter in 08 again had he made that decision in March, but he quit and tried to unquit. If Rodgers were to retire and then show up at camp, I imagine they'd do the same to him.

 

I think everybody needs to take a step back and accept that there's a middle ground where our next QB is good but not a HOFer.

Edited January 9, 2022 by OldSchoolSnapper

[nodakfan17]

I was disappointed when the Packers drafted Jordan Love. His talent was not obvious to me, but I accepted that I’m hardly a qualified evaluator of football talent and that BG / MLF had a plan. 2 years later, Love’s talent is still not obvious to me and I’m not quite sure how that plan is going. I’ll continue to reserve judgment until the whole thing plays out. Surely, fans have a reason to be skeptical.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Actually, I think his talent is pretty obvious. The decision-making and just general awareness appear to be lacking at the moment. But the physical talent is rather obvious.

[yourout]

Actually, I think his talent is pretty obvious. The decision-making and just general awareness appear to be lacking at the moment. But the physical talent is rather obvious.

 

Certainly has a strong arm and can make some throws.

[nodakfan17]

Actually, I think his talent is pretty obvious. The decision-making and just general awareness appear to be lacking at the moment. But the physical talent is rather obvious.

Maybe so. He looks like he belongs in the league, I’ll say that much. But a long-term starter? I don’t see it yet. That was a pretty big swing by BG and it’s yet to pay off. Who knows? It might, but early returns are mixed at best. Fans have a right to be skeptical.

[RobertR]

Favre quit. He would have been a starter in 08 again had he made that decision in March, but he quit and tried to unquit. If Rodgers were to retire and then show up at camp, I imagine they'd do the same to him.

 

I think everybody needs to take a step back and accept that there's a middle ground where our next QB is good but not a HOFer.

 

Favre quit, but I think the Packers were plenty happy to move on to Rodgers. The whole team was high on Rodgers future at the time. I'm not sure that Favre would have won a fair competition in camp.

 

Rodgers is so much better than Love that it's not even a question as to who's better.

[homer]

When Rodgers was bad...

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

Favre quit. He would have been a starter in 08 again had he made that decision in March, but he quit and tried to unquit. If Rodgers were to retire and then show up at camp, I imagine they'd do the same to him.

 

I think everybody needs to take a step back and accept that there's a middle ground where our next QB is good but not a HOFer.

 

Favre quit, but I think the Packers were plenty happy to move on to Rodgers. The whole team was high on Rodgers future at the time. I'm not sure that Favre would have won a fair competition in camp.

 

Rodgers is so much better than Love that it's not even a question as to who's better.

 

Rodgers was godawful until year 3 as a pro and wasn't the starting QB in Green Bay until year 4 - Love is in year 2, however he didn't get rookie minicamps or training camp due to COVID that most assuredly hindered his initial development. It's actually accurate to say that at comparable stages in their careers, Love has looked like a much better longterm quarterback option for the Packers.

[RobertR]

Yeah, Rodgers first two years were rough, albeit limited. But in his third year, he had a terrific game against Dallas and when Favre quit in the off season, the Packers were prepared to turn the page. I think they were prepared before then, after all they were watching Rodgers blossom in practice.

 

It's fair to say that it's premature to totally discount Love since it took Rodgers 2 plus years to establish himself. But, from what we've seen to date, Love has had zero games which can be described as terrific and doesn't look ready to take over as starter. It would be a disaster to switch from Rodgers to Love now. We'll see in another year.

 

As I said, I don't think the division is a juggernaut standing in the way of Love and the Packers competing for the division title. But, the way the NFL is configured these days, it's very hard to have championship aspirations without an elite quarterback.

[SeaBass]

Packers fans need to come to grips with the fact that the next starting QB after AR is gone is going to throw interceptions at a rate much greater than 4 or 5 per season, regardless if that's Jordan Love or someone else. Above all else we have been very spoiled in that category.