MLB Trade Rumors article on rotation depth and trade piece

[brewerfan82]

I don't care what the trade simulator said for Lauer and Houser, to me they both have great value to Brewers and should be treated accordingly when asking for trade prices. Not any of this Tellez equivalent for Lauer.

I agree no one should take the trade simulator site at face value, but to be fair it values both Lauer (9.2) and Houser (19.2) significantly higher than Tellez (1.5).

[nate82]

 

I don't care what the trade simulator said for Lauer and Houser, to me they both have great value to Brewers and should be treated accordingly when asking for trade prices. Not any of this Tellez equivalent for Lauer.

 

I'm not against using them in a package to get a premium player. Run a package one of them, Mitchell, Turang up the flag pole and see who salutes.

 

I am not really using the trade simulator for Lauer and Houser. I believe Lauer has a lower value due to him having a lower floor than Houser. Houser has a higher floor as you can have him as a #4 or #5 starter and if he doesn't work out there he looks to be a really good late inning reliever. While with Lauer he looks to be a true #5 type of a pitcher and if that doesn't workout he looks to be someone you could put in the back of your bullpen to throw multiple innings or spot start.

 

The trade market is also low on starting pitching which raises the value of Lauer and Houser. The trade site has Houser at 19 and Lauer at 9 and I believe they could have a higher value due to the shortage of starting pitching both on the trade market and in free agency. To the Twins just make the most sense and they have an excess in the OF and could easily move Keplar so that is who I see as a good trade candidate. If the Brewers want MLB ready or MLB proven players then the premium is going to erase a little bit for both Lauer and Houser.

 

I don't think you are going to get a premium player for Mitchell and Turang. While I love both Mitchell and Turang there are some issues with both and I am not sure they are at the level where a team will put a high premium on them for someone like Olson.

[clancyphile]

I think the most logical trade is Ashby for an impact bat. It doesn’t subtract from the MLB roster that much and it could get a better player than Houser/Lauer, who would only get a minor improvement over Tellez, for example.

 

I think you are undervaluing the current trade market for starting pitchers. There are not many available and even less in FA. Starting pitchers are at a premium right now in the trade market which makes the Reds move even more confusing as they could have gotten a decent piece or two for Miley in this trade market.

 

I think the Brewers could get someone like Keplar for Houser. Lauer has a lower value and wouldn't be able to get Keplar on his own. He would be closer to a Tellez type of a trade.

 

I don't care what the trade simulator said for Lauer and Houser, to me they both have great value to Brewers and should be treated accordingly when asking for trade prices. Not any of this Tellez equivalent for Lauer.

 

I'm not against using them in a package to get a premium player. Run a package one of them, Mitchell, Turang up the flag pole and see who salutes.

 

Well, here's what Baseball Trade Values says about a McNeil-for-Lauer-Ray-Tellez deal:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-69137/

 

A moderate overpay by the Mets.

 

Still, I'd like such a deal to clear some space on the roster for some prospects. Replace the Reyes/Ray/Tellez types with home-grown types like Howell/Fry/Wilson in the position player group.

[Warning Track Power]

I wonder what the Brewers and Angels would think about a Hiura for Adell trade? On face value, I would think both teams might have some interest in that deal.

[nate82]

I wonder what the Brewers and Angels would think about a Hiura for Adell trade? On face value, I would think both teams might have some interest in that deal.

 

Zero interest from the Angels. Maybe Hiura for Upton plus prospects but definitely not Adell.

 

Adell is who the Angels want to replace Upton. I just don't see the Angels moving Adell for anything other than pitching.

[brewcrewdue80]

I wonder what the Brewers and Angels would think about a Hiura for Adell trade? On face value, I would think both teams might have some interest in that deal.

 

Think Adell would be more in line for Houser. Maybe adding Taylor. There is big upside on Adell. Hiura is broken. I'd expect a trade value along the lines of Tellez fwiw, maybe lower. You can't trade Hiura at his lowest value til trade deadline or next offseason. Further sample size where he stands. Also, why must anybody put Ray in a trade proposal. Move on.

[patrickgpe]

I wonder what the Brewers and Angels would think about a Hiura for Adell trade? On face value, I would think both teams might have some interest in that deal.

funny that the brewers passed on Adell (my preferred pick at that time) to take Hiura, only to have him go the next pick.

[wntrtxn21]

I wonder what the Brewers and Angels would think about a Hiura for Adell trade? On face value, I would think both teams might have some interest in that deal.

 

Think Adell would be more in line for Houser. Maybe adding Taylor. There is big upside on Adell. Hiura is broken. I'd expect a trade value along the lines of Tellez fwiw, maybe lower. You can't trade Hiura at his lowest value til trade deadline or next offseason. Further sample size where he stands. Also, why must anybody put Ray in a trade proposal. Move on.

 

I think Houser/Taylor would be a big ovepay by the Brewers. Until Adell proves he can hit MLB pitching, I wouldn't do much for him. He is on track to be another Hiura.

[TURBO]

Exactly, Hiura = Adell at this point.

 

I'd even argue that Hiura is better based on the fact he did have some success at the MLB level, Adell has not.

 

If we trade Hiura and Houser for Adell, that would be gross.

[brewcrewdue80]

Exactly, Hiura = Adell at this point.

 

I'd even argue that Hiura is better based on the fact he did have some success at the MLB level, Adell has not.

 

If we trade Hiura and Houser for Adell, that would be gross.

 

This is such a poor take. Adell was 21 in 2020 making his debut where so many had a bad season. He had 55ks in 132PAs. 2021 he reduced that to 32 in 140PAs. He improved. Hiura a couple years his senior, did not. Adell will come with extra team control. Like I said Hiura=Tellez value of last year. Adell for Houser plus is being realistic and not through Brewer fan goggles. Which poster here asks these type of questions to the Fangraph chats? Go ahead and ask what would it take for the Brewers to get Adell? Houser or Hiura straight up?

 

Just look at his 2019 minors numbers from A+ to AA to AAA. Then look at his 2021 AAA numbers. Turning 23 in April.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Exactly, Hiura = Adell at this point.

 

I'd even argue that Hiura is better based on the fact he did have some success at the MLB level, Adell has not.

 

If we trade Hiura and Houser for Adell, that would be gross.

 

This is such a poor take. Adell was 21 in 2020 making his debut where so many had a bad season. He had 55ks in 132PAs. 2021 he reduced that to 32 in 140PAs. He improved. Hiura a couple years his senior, did not. Adell will come with extra team control. Like I said Hiura=Tellez value of last year. Adell for Houser plus is being realistic and not through Brewer fan goggles. Which poster here asks these type of questions to the Fangraph chats? Go ahead and ask what would it take for the Brewers to get Adell? Houser or Hiura straight up?

 

The answer is probably somewhere in the middle. You are likely overvaluing Adell a bit based on his prospect pedigree, while undervaluing Hiura based on his poor showing of late. Hiura still holds a lot of value as a former blue chip can't-miss prospect who raked in the minors, has had MLB success, and is still extremely young and cost-controlled.

[wntrtxn21]

Exactly, Hiura = Adell at this point.

 

I'd even argue that Hiura is better based on the fact he did have some success at the MLB level, Adell has not.

 

If we trade Hiura and Houser for Adell, that would be gross.

 

This is such a poor take. Adell was 21 in 2020 making his debut where so many had a bad season. He had 55ks in 132PAs. 2021 he reduced that to 32 in 140PAs. He improved. Hiura a couple years his senior, did not. Adell will come with extra team control. Like I said Hiura=Tellez value of last year. Adell for Houser plus is being realistic and not through Brewer fan goggles. Which poster here asks these type of questions to the Fangraph chats? Go ahead and ask what would it take for the Brewers to get Adell? Houser or Hiura straight up?

 

Just look at his 2019 minors numbers from A+ to AA to AAA. Then look at his 2021 AAA numbers. Turning 23 in April.

 

Look at Hiura 2019 age 22 in AAA: .329/.407/1.088 19 HRs - 46 RBIs - 243 PAs

Look at Adell 2021 age 22 in AAA: .289/.342/.934 23 HRs - 69 RBIs - 339 PAs

Hiura was as good a prospect if not better than Adell. At this point IMO Adell looks a lot like Hiura, except Hiura had some success in the big leagues.

[StearnsFTW]

Houser for Adell seems pretty fair to me. I wouldn't do it, but it seems ok value-wise.

 

Hiura doesn't really matter because he's basically worthless right now, which means the Brewers won't be trading him.

[JosephC]

I very much doubt the Angels would be looking to trade Adell. As mediocre as his stat sheet was last year, he did finish the year with a .700+ OPS and was positive in both DRS and UZR/150 as a right fielder. Adell still is a very high-upside, athletic type that the Angels spent a top 10 pick on.

[TURBO]

Adell still is a very high-upside, athletic type that the Angels spent a top 10 pick on.

 

Kind of like Hiura.

 

It would be foolish to give up on Hiura at this point in his career.

[umphrey]

I thought this year was the last chance for Hiura, since next year he has to be on MLB roster or get released. Which also kind of makes it our last chance to trade him. Maybe I am off by a year or so.

[sveumrules]

I thought this year was the last chance for Hiura, since next year he has to be on MLB roster or get released. Which also kind of makes it our last chance to trade him. Maybe I am off by a year or so.

 

Roster Resource lists Hiura as having one option year remaining, so he's still got at least until 2023 before its MLB or bust.