Packer 2021 Team Discussion 2.0

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't know how useful hours of game footage of college football actually are even though they obviously pour over them. Wouldn't the Heisman guy always be #1 overall if that were the case? They are nearly two different sports. In a workout you can get a better idea of asking a player to do things he'll need to do in the NFL. Of course neither one is really a great evaluation because it's a world of difference with no defense, no crowd, etc. But in the individual workouts you can at least comp a player to a previous one and compare how they looked on a level field. It's a lot harder to do that in game footage with different offense, defenses, supporting players, so I can see why teams put a lot of stock in the workouts.

 

It's a really hard thing to do, thus the fairly low odds of hitting. But I think college game film is basically a resume for most of the players, and the workouts are the interview.

[roadcrew3]

My point was that sure the Packers obviously liked Rodgers but at the time it wasn't the slam dunk or the clear cut pick that sometimes it gets made out to be today. Scouts who viewed him favorably are obviously going to be more vocal today than those who didn't given the way his career has played out. If we went back to the first few years after the pick though, the questioning was as strong as it is today regarding Love.

 

Who knows how Love is going to turn out, but if he does end up following a similar career path as Rodgers, then 12-15 years down the road I'm sure the story will drift to sound like the pick was more positive and supported then it actually is today.

 

That was it. The Love pick seems like a big miss right now, but so did the Rodgers pick if we went back to this point in his career.

[homer]

I don't know how you can watch a workout and judge if a guy can read a defense or adjust to pressure in the pocket. Most 1st round QB's all have cannons for arms and you can see how mobile they are from watching games. I would think an in-person interview with direct questions like "what would you do in this situation against this defensive front?" would have way more value than watching a guy throw all over the field with no rush.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I am just saying that none of the evaluation tools are really all that great on their own. Even all together there are still tons of whiffs; it is just a really hard thing to do and a HUGE pool of players. Once you've seen the last couple games of a player's career is there really much more to get from film? If I watch 40 hours is that really better than 5? Especially when they're not playing in NFL schemes. So I can see why draft stock fluctuates a lot from end of season to draft...some guys go from 3rd round projections to undrafted and vice versa.

[thebruce44]

I don't know how useful hours of game footage of college football actually are even though they obviously pour over them. Wouldn't the Heisman guy always be #1 overall if that were the case?

 

No, there have been plenty of QBs who have done great things at the college level, but had questions about their size, thowing motion, injury history, etc that caused questions about their ability to succeed at the next level.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't know how useful hours of game footage of college football actually are even though they obviously pour over them. Wouldn't the Heisman guy always be #1 overall if that were the case?

 

No, there have been plenty of QBs who have done great things at the college level, but had questions about their size, thowing motion, injury history, etc that caused questions about their ability to succeed at the next level.

 

Yeah that was my point. Most of those things aren't recognizable if game footage is the only tool at your disposal. If I have a system QB that runs constantly like Tebow or something, his game film doesn't show me what happens when he has to hit a WR between the numbers 30 yards down the field.

[tmwiese55]

Wasn't one of the big things for Rodgers that he had to change his throwing motion when he got to the NFL? If he'd been thrown to the fire and not had time to do that who knows how he pans out. I don't recall for sure but it seems like it could be relevant to what you're discussing here

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

OBJ goes to ... surprise ... the Rams. To be the obvious #3 behind Kupp and Woods.

 

The Rams sure do have a completely different way of team building. Don't care at all for draft and develop. Go out and poach established players. I suspect we shall see what way is more effective come January.

 

I personally don't think OBJ is going to make much of an impact either way. I think he's just about done.

[Joseph Zarr]

OBJ goes to ... surprise ... the Rams. To be the obvious #3 behind Kupp and Woods.

 

The Rams sure do have a completely different way of team building. Don't care at all for draft and develop. Go out and poach established players. I suspect we shall see what way is more effective come January.

 

I personally don't think OBJ is going to make much of an impact either way. I think he's just about done.

 

Everything I am seeing states he is still undecided. Where are you getting the final confirmed Report? If he goes to the Rams, so be it. If he comes to the Packers, great. But, I don't see an actual decision.

 

EDIT: I see Schefter is leading the Rams news? Apologies, hadn't seen that.

[nodakfan17]

The Rams sure do have a completely different way of team building. Don't care at all for draft and develop. Go out and poach established players.

It’s funny how that’s pretty much in the DNA of LA pro sports.

[homer]

Looks like he's still deciding between LA and GB? Although Schefter is pretty much the league mouthpiece

 

edit: ok now the person saying he was on the fence is saying he is no longer on the fence. Oh well.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

We are always linked to these types of guys and I don't know if we've signed a single one of them.

[areacodes]

How do the Rams have any cap space? Not that OBJ is taking up a lot of space, more of a general question with who they’ve added to their team.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They've been doing a ton of restructuring of random players lately.

[nodakfan17]

Rodgers has been cleared. Let the FU tour begin. Not even Mark Hamel is safe.

[homer]

Jones sprained MCL.

Gary hyperextended elbow.

[GAME05]

What's the timetable for both of those injuries?

[homer]

What's the timetable for both of those injuries?

 

I'd guess at least 3 or 4 weeks for Jones...and that's a total guess.

 

Gary still needs an MRI to determine the severity.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Jones sprained MCL.

Gary hyperextended elbow.

 

Without knowing the exact prognosis, both appear to be positive developments, as both should be able to return this season.

[roadcrew3]

That is absolutely great news on both players if that is the extent of their injuries. Would expect both will be back before the end of the regular season.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Packers got a really friendly placement of the bye this year so you could see both back after just missing 2 games.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Packers got a really friendly placement of the bye this year so you could see both back after just missing 2 games.

 

And with Bahktiari seemingly close to a return, along with Alexander and Z. Smith possibly coming back before the end of the season, this team could in theory be hitting its stride at the right time.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Jones has MCL histories with knees, so I'd imagine his prognosis isn't a cut and dry 3-4 weeks...optimistically that would be the timetable, but I'd imagine it might be a bit longer until we see him back on the field. Still better than a season-ender though.

[roadcrew3]

Packers got a really friendly placement of the bye this year so you could see both back after just missing 2 games.

 

And with Bahktiari seemingly close to a return, along with Alexander and Z. Smith possibly coming back before the end of the season, this team could in theory be hitting its stride at the right time.

 

Agreed. Both the offense and defense have shown signs at various points throughout the year of being really really good units but I think its fair to say this team hasn't really put it all together yet. They've been winning games without playing close to what their ceiling could be. A lot of reasons to be excited if we think Jaire, Z, Jones, and Gary all are back heading into the playoffs.

[CheezWizHed]

Jones has MCL histories with knees, so I'd imagine his prognosis isn't a cut and dry 3-4 weeks...optimistically that would be the timetable, but I'd imagine it might be a bit longer until we see him back on the field. Still better than a season-ender though.

 

Also depends on the severity of the sprain. Not all strains are equal. Given that Jones never went into the locker room for an MRI or other closer analysis, I'd take it to be on the less severe side.