Packer 2021 Team Discussion 2.0

[sveumrules]

Brady vs Rodgers is essentially the same core argument as Wheeler vs Burnes for Cy Young.

 

Brady had more volume with 188 more attempts, but it was of a lesser quality with a 113 Rate+. Rodgers had less quantity, but of a much higher quality with a 126 Rate+.

 

Both QBs completed 366 of 531 passes (68.9%) for 4,1115 yards (7.7 Y/A & 11.2 Y/C) with 37 TD/4 INT.

 

Brady also completed 119 of 188 passes (63.3%) for 1,201 yards (6.4 Y/A & 10.1 Y/C) with 6 TD/8 INT.

 

It should be a closer race for sure, last year Rodgers put up the 2nd best passer rating ever, this year it was only the 20th best ever, but Rodgers is the favorite in LV for a reason.

[nate82]

Brady vs Rodgers is essentially the same core argument as Wheeler vs Burnes for Cy Young.

 

Brady had more volume with 188 more attempts, but it was of a lesser quality with a 113 Rate+. Rodgers had less quantity, but of a much higher quality with a 126 Rate+.

 

Both QBs completed 366 of 531 passes (68.9%) for 4,1115 yards (7.7 Y/A & 11.2 Y/C) with 37 TD/4 INT.

 

Brady also completed 119 of 188 passes (63.3%) for 1,201 yards (6.4 Y/A & 10.1 Y/C) with 6 TD/8 INT.

 

It should be a closer race for sure, last year Rodgers put up the 2nd best passer rating ever, this year it was only the 20th best ever, but Rodgers is the favorite in LV for a reason.

 

I wonder what Burrow would have put up this year with a better offensive line. Burrow was sacked 51 times this year more than any other QB and I believe the Bears OL was the only other OL to give up more sacks this year. Let that sink in Burrow with an offensive line only put up a slightly lower rating than Rodgers did. Put Burrow on the Packers or the Packers OL on the Bengals and Burrow would be a better QB. I don't believe Rodgers or even Brady would have done as well as Burrow did with the Bengals OL and that is mostly due to age.

 

If you go back to 2018 the last time Rodgers was sacked about as many times as Burrow was this year, he had a rating of 97.6 while Burrow in 2021 has a rating of 108.3 which is only 3.6 behind Rodgers in 2021. You could make a case for Burrow as an MVP also this season. More yards than Rodgers with the same attempts and a higher completion percentage also. The biggest difference between Rodgers and Burrow are the INT's.

 

Future wise Burrow with a better OL will be the next MVP the talent is there and he should be ready to really break out next year if the Bengals are able to fix that OL.

[thebruce44]

If I had a vote, I’d probably give it to Brady.

 

He won a Super Bowl on a team that was 5-11 the year prior. He graded out as PFF’s best passer in 2021 on a 13-win team and lead the league in passing yards and TD passes. There is a strong objective argument for Brady, whereas last year, Rodgers was the clear #1.

 

I don’t think Aaron Rodgers should win 4 MVPs without winning 2 SBs (even though he probably will). He’s capped out at 3 just like Giannis was capped out at 2 until he broke through last year.

 

* and this is from a HUGE Packer fan

 

I don't know why an award for an individual regular season should have career post season success factored in.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Voting Brady for MVP is nothing less than consciously or subconsciously doing it because Tampa won the Super Bowl last year and that was wildly impressive given that most people thought he was done being a great QB.

 

But the fact is simply that Rodgers had an even better year last season, and it was obvious because he had volume stats. It's closer this year because a) Brady won last season and b) efficiency stats are not as sexy. But Rodgers was, again, better, in everything except volume yards and TDs.

 

People have said a lot that Rodgers would be even more revered if he didn't play during Brady era. Well, Brady would have two more league MVPs if he didn't play with Rodgers the last two seasons. He's been great, but Rodgers has been scorching the Earth.

[nodakfan17]

I don't know why an award for an individual regular season should have career post season success factored in.

Every voter sees it differently. You don’t think some have buyer’s remorse after last year?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't know why an award for an individual regular season should have career post season success factored in.

Every voter sees it differently. You don’t think some have buyer’s remorse after last year?

 

No. Rodgers put up ridiculous numbers last year. I don't know why they'd have "remorse" anyway. It's not an award for most valuable Super Bowl champion.

[CheeseheadInQC]

I'm kind of of the mind to just give it to Kupp this year. As good as Rodgers and Brady have been (and I'd put Rodgers above Brady in that discussion), neither really felt like an sure-fire MVP season as much as just the year's best quarterback seasons. It would be the worst of Rodgers' MVP seasons, and I'm not sure it is all that close. I know the offensive player of the year award exists, but if there was ever a year to show that the MVP can still go to a position other than QB, this feels like it should be it.

[nodakfan17]

Will the Packers receive a comp pick for De’Vondre Campbell? I see his contract has 4 void years (presumably to spread out his cap hit and squeeze him in to 2021):

 

https://overthecap.com/player/devondre-campbell/4828/

 

How about for Rasul Douglas?

[Fear The Chorizo]

I'm kind of of the mind to just give it to Kupp this year. As good as Rodgers and Brady have been (and I'd put Rodgers above Brady in that discussion), neither really felt like an sure-fire MVP season as much as just the year's best quarterback seasons. It would be the worst of Rodgers' MVP seasons, and I'm not sure it is all that close. I know the offensive player of the year award exists, but if there was ever a year to show that the MVP can still go to a position other than QB, this feels like it should be it.

 

League MVP awards can go to non qb's - just not a player that touches the ball only about 10-12 times a game and has to do so after a qb throws it to him. No nfl WR has ever won MVP - Kupp has had a fantastic season, but he's not even the best player on his team.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Kupp might get OPOTY. I think it's gonna go to Taylor, just because of the amount of hype and press he's gotten. Kupp won't get more than 1-2 MVP votes, if that. As FTC said, receivers don't get MVP consideration.

 

Jerry Rice finished 2nd in 1987, and that's as close as a receiver will probably come.

[DuWayne Steurer]

3 times a player who is not a RB or QB has won the award. One of the three was kicker Mark Mosely, in the strike shortened 1982 season. I don't think anyone has any explanation for how the writers got together and awarded the MVP to a kicker.

[nodakfan17]

I had a ‘Do I know that guy?’ moment when I saw this headline. A former Alabama QB is accused of assaulting his country music wife, Sara Evans. He allegedly tried to hit her with his car while she was a passenger in another vehicle (yikes).

 

The name: Jay Barker

Claim to fame: Spent the 1995 offseason with the Packers *

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-alabama-quarterback-jay-barker-235643994.html

 

* I guess he won a National Championship at Alabama in 1992, but this didn’t register with me in grade school. I just remember him from my Packers’ media guide (pre-internet football bible).

[wallus]

Bye boredom on here so bare with me.

 

Let's just assume that Rodgers wants out and you can't appease him. I have seen a couple of articles that suggest the Eagles might be a suitor for him.

 

Rodgers and Adams (yes I know he is a free agent but maybe you tag him to make this work) for:

 

Hurts, Smith and their first 2 2022 first round draft picks. Yes that is an extremely steep deal for Philly but this QB draft looks terrible and there are teams that will want a back to back MVP quarterback. For the Pack, they can reset their awful cap for a year and get two bites at young quarterbacks.

[PinaMadness]

Bye boredom on here so bare with me.

 

Let's just assume that Rodgers wants out and you can't appease him. I have seen a couple of articles that suggest the Eagles might be a suitor for him.

 

Rodgers and Adams (yes I know he is a free agent but maybe you tag him to make this work) for:

 

Hurts, Smith and their first 2 2022 first round draft picks. Yes that is an extremely steep deal for Philly but this QB draft looks terrible and there are teams that will want a back to back MVP quarterback. For the Pack, they can reset their awful cap for a year and get two bites at young quarterbacks.

Actually, the Packers would be getting fleeced in that scenario.

[nodakfan17]

My ideal scenario is Rodgers winning the Super Bowl and retiring. That pretty much avoids the need for tough cap decisions and we’ll probably all still feel pretty good about ourselves even if the Packers go 6-11 with Jordan Love next year.

 

But hypothetically, if it looked like the Packers were going to digress due to the cap crunch, I’d ask for three #1’s and three #2’s. If Matthew Stafford and Trey Lance are each worth three #1’s, I’m not taking any less for the reigning MVP.

[OldHeidelberg]

I don't see any way Rodgers retires, he loves being a celebrity and all the attention and that will fade soon once he is done with playing QB. Plus I would rather the Packers cash him in if he is going to leave to help with the rebuild. I can live with him winning for another team as long it isn't the FREAKING VIKINGS or something like that. I think the stock sale and lack of Adams extension sort of show that at least the Packers are not sure what he wants to do yet. I sort of lean toward him leaving, I just suspect he wants to play somewhere else just for a change of scenery and maybe closer to the west coast.

 

The proposed trade with the Eagles just needs some more picks to the Pack down the road, even if they are 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounders.

[wallus]

Bye boredom on here so bare with me.

 

Let's just assume that Rodgers wants out and you can't appease him. I have seen a couple of articles that suggest the Eagles might be a suitor for him.

 

Rodgers and Adams (yes I know he is a free agent but maybe you tag him to make this work) for:

 

Hurts, Smith and their first 2 2022 first round draft picks. Yes that is an extremely steep deal for Philly but this QB draft looks terrible and there are teams that will want a back to back MVP quarterback. For the Pack, they can reset their awful cap for a year and get two bites at young quarterbacks.

Actually, the Packers would be getting fleeced in that scenario.

 

After seeing the Eagles today, you might be right. How about all of their 3 first round draft picks instead of the 2 and first round swap options in 2023, 2024 and 2025?

[PinaMadness]

The Eagles have no business being in the playoffs. They simply don't belong. We'll see the same tonight from the Steelers.

[adambr2]

The Eagles have no business being in the playoffs. They simply don't belong. We'll see the same tonight from the Steelers.

 

I hate the 7 seed format. 6 was perfect.

[OldHeidelberg]

Well the consensus of The morning show people is this is worst possible scenario for the Packers. I am not sure I agree but it does have that anyone but the Giants feel that we had watching wildcard weekend in 2011 season. But there are no gimees in this round.

 

Line opened at -4.5 now at -5.5, likely due to the injuries.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

This 49ers over Packers hype is based on a game from 2 season ago where the Packers were substantially worse and the 49ers were substantially better. And playing on the road. I'm sure it'll be a decent game but I feel pretty good about the Packers taking it by double digits.

 

If they get hammered into the ground again by the run, so be it. Just tells me they were a fluff ball doomed to implode anyway.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Well the consensus of The morning show people is this is worst possible scenario for the Packers. I am not sure I agree but it does have that anyone but the Giants feel that we had watching wildcard weekend in 2011 season. But there are no gimees in this round.

 

Line opened at -4.5 now at -5.5, likely due to the injuries.

 

I hate that take. It's the playoffs. All the teams are good. If you are freaking out already about the matchup in the Divisional, you likely had no faith in the team to begin with.

 

The Packers are a stronger, healthier and substantially better team than the 49ers. Rodgers is leaps and bounds better than Garoppolo. The Packers are deeper at the skill positions (although Samuel is a matchup nightmare, and Kittle and Eli Mitchell very good). The Packers should win this one going away. Yes, something crazy may happen. It's the playoffs. But this is far from a bad scenario for the Packers. Garoppolo is the worst QB left in the field.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Gotta get after Jimmy G, force a couple mistakes, hopefully build an early lead. Don't let off the gas like they did against the Browns.

[OldHeidelberg]

To be fair a lot of the things that made it a bad matchup 2 years ago are still there. They can run the ball and our run d is still suspect. They can get a good rush with 4 and that is the best way to get Rodgers out of his groove. Bad Qb, probably the most similar team we have played recently is the Browns. But I think we got this, the defense is better than 2 years ago, Campbell is better than Martinez and we get some guys back hopefully. Can’t wait for Saturday.

[nodakfan17]

Aside from the recent playoff history vs. the 49ers (Rodgers 0-3), the things that worry me the most are a strong 4-man pass rush (which was the Packers’ cryptonite in 2011) and matchup nightmares like Deebo Samuel and George Kittle. I think this is a 50/50 game.

 

In the Rodgers’ era, the Packers are 1-8 in the playoffs when the defense gives up 26 or more points and 10-1 when they give up fewer than 26.