Packer 2021 Team Discussion 2.0

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Tampa scare me the most because Brady and Gronk. Plus defensive front vs whatever is left standing on GB's offensive front. (And there's always some Brady Ref treatment after all the crying that seems to help a crucial game changing play)

 

There's no way I'm scared of SF. The Rams have Stafford to derail them.

Arizona I can't see Murray carrying them. It is just Brady who "finds" ways to win. More experienced that Rodgers in cold weather games. And smart enough to wear you down with 2-6yard passes before 1 deep to Gronk or a WR to defeat you.

 

Agreed. The Brady factor is real and after 7 championships there's just no way to feel safe that you're going to beat him until you have.

[OldHeidelberg]

Arkush trying to walk this back a bit....

 

https://www.shawlocal.com/bears/analysis/2022/01/05/hub-arkush-an-open-apology-for-my-aaron-rodgers-comments/

 

I just read this again, so while taking complete responsibility he also pulls the same card Rodgers did and blames cancel culture for the whole mess. There is some irony there.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Rodgers acting like a weirdo baby in the off-season and lies about his vaxx status and half the fan base wanted him traded or fired into the sun from a railgun. now he's throwing tds again so every packer fan on the planet circles the wagons when a sportswriter calls him a jerk.

[CheezWizHed]

Rodgers acting like a weirdo baby in the off-season and lies about his vaxx status and half the fan base wanted him traded or fired into the sun from a railgun. now he's throwing tds again so every packer fan on the planet circles the wagons when a sportswriter calls him a jerk.

 

It isn't hypocritical to not like his off the field antics, while still recognizing his on the field skills and value to the team... In fact, most of us (here) defending him acknowledge him being a jerk...and still deserving MVP. Especially when his off the field antics are more annoying and not even close to illegal.

 

Primadonna? Yes. Bad Person? No. MVP? Absolutely.

[PeaveyFury]

Bad Person? No.

 

Well, we really don't know this. Anyone who torches and abandons their own immediate family has far more going on behind the scenes than any of us can know with certainty.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Bad Person? No.

 

Well, we really don't know this. Anyone who torches and abandons their own immediate family has far more going on behind the scenes than any of us can know with certainty.

 

 

fair. but hub arkesh doesn't know the why.

 

jerk?? I mean ... he seems like a jerk. for sure.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Bad Person? No.

 

Well, we really don't know this. Anyone who torches and abandons their own immediate family has far more going on behind the scenes than any of us can know with certainty.

 

I know quite a few people who have "torched and abandoned their immediate family" for various reasons ... some justified and some not. I don't know if that situation can be used to determine if someone is a "bad person" or not. Those situations are typically extremely complicated, and are very rarely one-way streets.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

From following the Twitter trail when the family drama started, it became kind of obvious to me as to what caused at least some of the friction. Both of his brothers were peddling his likeness CONSTANTLY on Twitter. They were selling all kinds of shirts and crappy merch with his face on it. I imagine at some point, he wanted that to stop. His parents took his siblings' side, "Share you spoils, Aaron" kind of thing. This is obviously speculation but I really believe it was part of the deal. It would also align with how petty his brothers have been throughout the whole thing.

 

Aaron has come off as the least insane member of the family, imo.

 

Aaron is smug and overly sensitive. Both are pretty normal attributes of superstar athletes. It is hard not to become that when you are treated like a God for 20 years. I don't even know if I'd go with "jerk," but he can certainly be petty. Not the kind of person with whom you want to fall in bad graces.

 

Personally, I don't think any of that should factor in to MVP.

[TURBO]

 

Personally, I don't think any of that should factor in to MVP.

 

I agree to a point, but when you have two guys (Brady and Rodgers) who could potentially win the award, and one has been a distraction to his team based on what he has done, or has been doing in his personal life (the vax drama, and the "I might not play this year tantrums) then I think it plays into the final decision. Does a true MVP (Most Valuable Player) act like that and put extra stress on the team for his ridiculous actions?

 

It would be one thing if Rodgers was heads and tails above Brady in stats, leadership, etc, but that isn't the case. In fact, I don't think there is a single player in the entire NFL that provides more presence and leadership than Tom Brady.

 

I can fully understand why a voter would take the Rodgers drama and have it be a strike against him. His childish behaviors did in fact cause distraction to the team, which in my eyes, if you have 2 guys to pick from, neither a cut above the other, then the Rodgers crap has to work against him

 

imo

[homer]

Tom Brady vouched for Antonio Brown and let him live in his house. IMO, he has no moral high ground here.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Personally, I don't think any of that should factor in to MVP.

 

I agree to a point, but when you have two guys (Brady and Rodgers) who could potentially win the award, and one has been a distraction to his team based on what he has done, or has been doing in his personal life (the vax drama, and the "I might not play this year tantrums) then I think it plays into the final decision. Does a true MVP (Most Valuable Player) act like that and put extra stress on the team for his ridiculous actions?

 

It would be one thing if Rodgers was heads and tails above Brady in stats, leadership, etc, but that isn't the case. In fact, I don't think there is a single player in the entire NFL that provides more presence and leadership than Tom Brady.

 

I can fully understand why a voter would take the Rodgers drama and have it be a strike against him. His childish behaviors did in fact cause distraction to the team, which in my eyes, if you have 2 guys to pick from, neither a cut above the other, then the Rodgers crap has to work against him

 

imo

 

Granted it was never made public like the Rodgers crap was, but if you believe that there was never any similar type drama concerning Brady and his last few years in New England, and the time that Garappolo was drafted to eventually succeed him, you are probably fooling yourself. He is likely not the saint you're making him out to be. I also think situations like that happen far more behind the scenes than most fans realize.

[TURBO]

Tom Brady vouched for Antonio Brown and let him live in his house. IMO, he has no moral high ground here.

 

That is a pretty ridiculous statement Homer.

 

AB was his project. It was an extremely successful project last season, not so much this year.

 

I don't know how he can be faulted for trying to help a guy with his mental struggles, but I suppose if you are only able to see things through the green and gold goggles...

Edited January 6, 2022 by turborickey

[TURBO]

 

Personally, I don't think any of that should factor in to MVP.

 

I agree to a point, but when you have two guys (Brady and Rodgers) who could potentially win the award, and one has been a distraction to his team based on what he has done, or has been doing in his personal life (the vax drama, and the "I might not play this year tantrums) then I think it plays into the final decision. Does a true MVP (Most Valuable Player) act like that and put extra stress on the team for his ridiculous actions?

 

It would be one thing if Rodgers was heads and tails above Brady in stats, leadership, etc, but that isn't the case. In fact, I don't think there is a single player in the entire NFL that provides more presence and leadership than Tom Brady.

 

I can fully understand why a voter would take the Rodgers drama and have it be a strike against him. His childish behaviors did in fact cause distraction to the team, which in my eyes, if you have 2 guys to pick from, neither a cut above the other, then the Rodgers crap has to work against him

 

imo

 

Granted it was never made public like the Rodgers crap was, but if you believe that there was never any similar type drama concerning Brady and his last few years in New England, and the time that Garappolo was drafted to eventually succeed him, you are probably fooling yourself. He is likely not the saint you're making him out to be. I also think situations like that happen far more behind the scenes than most fans realize.

 

What does any of that have to do with the 2021-22 season? The MVP is based on the current season, not things that happened years ago. right?

 

Again, I'm just throwing out there what the voters may be thinking.

 

I have never thought, or claimed that Tom Brady was a saint, but as far as what has been reported since his arrival in Tampa, there is no dirty laundry to be aired. None.

 

All the Rodgers drama caused this season could easily go against him, whether Packers fans want to admit it or not. Hell, I doubt that the voters would tell you it was a factor either, but you just know that it might be a deciding factor with one or more of them when it comes right down to it.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers going public with it is quite a big caveat, though. I think it's a fair assessment that Brady galvanizes a team a bit better than Rodgers. Not to say that Rodgers doesn't, but Brady's teammates seem to LOVE him, there are stories about that dating back to his days at Michigan. It's one reason he's been so successful without really a single elite-level skill (as far as arm strength, speed, etc., go)

[TURBO]

Again, I think that Rodgers might get it, and I think Brady might get it, I won't be upset either way.

 

Based on their "on field play alone" it's a toss up.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

What does any of that have to do with the 2021-22 season? The MVP is based on the current season, not things that happened years ago. right?

 

Again, I'm just throwing out there what the voters may be thinking.

 

I have never thought, or claimed that Tom Brady was a saint, but as far as what has been reported since his arrival in Tampa, there is no dirty laundry to be aired. None.

 

All the Rodgers drama caused this season could easily go against him, whether Packers fans want to admit it or not. Hell, I doubt that the voters would tell you it was a factor either, but you just know that it might be a deciding factor with one or more of them when it comes right down to it.

 

The point is the contract squabbles and fights with management like between Rodgers and the Packers front office aren't rare. They happen every offseason, with many teams. It just so happens this one played out in a public forum with the guy who just won the MVP. Not sure who is responsible for leaking the info that Schefter eventually picked up on and posted on Twitter, but typically that kind of crap happens behind closed doors.

[sveumrules]

Based on their "on field play alone" it's a toss up.

 

Except it's not really a toss up based on their on field play alone.

 

Rodgers wrapped up the #1 seed for his team with what amounts to 14 weeks of play after punting week one & missing a game with COVID.

 

Brady is going to need all 17 weeks to wrap up the #2 seed for his team.

 

Of course team record isn't 100% attributable to the QB, but Rodgers lapping the rest of the league statistically from an efficiency standpoint was the most important factor in the Packers locking up the #1 seed with a week to spare.

[CheezWizHed]

Bad Person? No.

 

Well, we really don't know this. Anyone who torches and abandons their own immediate family has far more going on behind the scenes than any of us can know with certainty.

 

 

fair. but hub arkesh doesn't know the why.

 

jerk?? I mean ... he seems like a jerk. for sure.

 

As far as I know, Rodgers has never beat anyone, assaulted anyone in his family, or anything remotely close to illegal to them.

 

Thus not a bad person.

 

At worst, his dealings with his family contribute to his primadonna and/or jerk status. At best, his family is filled with jerks and he is merely protecting himself. I have no way (nor desire) to assume either one is at fault...most likely it is both.

 

Remember being not a bad person doesn't make him a good one... there is middle ground.

[TURBO]

What does any of that have to do with the 2021-22 season? The MVP is based on the current season, not things that happened years ago. right?

 

Again, I'm just throwing out there what the voters may be thinking.

 

I have never thought, or claimed that Tom Brady was a saint, but as far as what has been reported since his arrival in Tampa, there is no dirty laundry to be aired. None.

 

All the Rodgers drama caused this season could easily go against him, whether Packers fans want to admit it or not. Hell, I doubt that the voters would tell you it was a factor either, but you just know that it might be a deciding factor with one or more of them when it comes right down to it.

 

The point is the contract squabbles and fights with management like between Rodgers and the Packers front office aren't rare. They happen every offseason, with many teams. It just so happens this one played out in a public forum with the guy who just won the MVP. Not sure who is responsible for leaking the info that Schefter eventually picked up on and posted on Twitter, but typically that kind of crap happens behind closed doors.

 

Ok, but in this case, it played out publicly.

 

The chances of that situation weighing in on a voter's decision is possible, even if people say it isn't.

 

Add the vax thing, and there may in fact be voters that let those two situations have an effect on their vote, based on the distraction it caused the team. Is that behavior that an MVP (Most Valuable Player) exhibits? It's up to the individual to make that determination.

 

That's all I'm saying.

[DuWayne Steurer]

 

As far as I know, Rodgers has never beat anyone, assaulted anyone in his family, or anything remotely close to illegal to them.

 

Thus not a bad person.

 

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there's so many ways a person can treat others poorly that don't require resorting to physical violence.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of Rodgers and his family, and don't care to, tbh, but these statements arent the be all end all of being a bad person.

[CheezWizHed]

 

As far as I know, Rodgers has never beat anyone, assaulted anyone in his family, or anything remotely close to illegal to them.

 

Thus not a bad person.

 

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there's so many ways a person can treat others poorly that don't require resorting to physical violence.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of Rodgers and his family, and don't care to, tbh, but these statements arent the be all end all of being a bad person.

 

I didn't mean it to be the end-all-be-all for a bad person. But there is also nothing showing he treated them poorly or abused them in some way either (shared with the public). People assume the spat with his family is on him, but we don't know.

 

What makes you think he is a "bad person" based on his treatment of his family?

[homer]

Tom Brady vouched for Antonio Brown and let him live in his house. IMO, he has no moral high ground here.

 

That is a pretty ridiculous statement Homer.

 

AB was his project. It was an extremely successful project last season, not so much this year.

 

I don't know how he can be faulted for trying to help a guy with his mental struggles, but I suppose if you are only able to see things through the green and gold goggles...

 

You really think Tom Brady would give a rip about his mental struggles if he couldn't catch footballs?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

As far as I know, Rodgers has never beat anyone, assaulted anyone in his family, or anything remotely close to illegal to them.

 

Thus not a bad person.

 

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there's so many ways a person can treat others poorly that don't require resorting to physical violence.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of Rodgers and his family, and don't care to, tbh, but these statements arent the be all end all of being a bad person.

 

He called him the biggest jerk in the league though. It's an enormous stretch. Biggest jerk in the MVP race, maybe.

[TURBO]

Tom Brady vouched for Antonio Brown and let him live in his house. IMO, he has no moral high ground here.

 

That is a pretty ridiculous statement Homer.

 

AB was his project. It was an extremely successful project last season, not so much this year.

 

I don't know how he can be faulted for trying to help a guy with his mental struggles, but I suppose if you are only able to see things through the green and gold goggles...

 

You really think Tom Brady would give a rip about his mental struggles if he couldn't catch footballs?

 

You're going to die on that hill?

 

Brady allowing AB to live with him, and try to point him in the right direction will have no bearing on his MVP status. Not in this world or any other one.

 

You might be right, he may not give a rip about him personally, but a lot of sources have reported that they are/were good friends. If they weren't friends on a personal level, I doubt Brady invites him to live in his home. I can't for sure say that he would care one way or the other, but neither can you.

 

I think you are reaching on this one.

[PeaveyFury]

 

What makes you think he is a "bad person" based on his treatment of his family?

 

To be fair, that's not what was said. What was said was that we don't know if his behind-the-scenes situation with his family has stuff in it that would place him in that category.

 

I guess I tend to trend toward the thought that anyone that treats their mother like crap save for those abused by said mother certainly COULD fall in that category, but again, I don't know anything beyond that he's estranged from every member of his immediate family, which seems beyond abnormal.