Packer 2021 Team Discussion 2.0

[PeaveyFury]

Yeah, based on the reaction of his peers and current/former players, it seems almost as likely that Hub loses his MVP voting rights vs. hurting Rodgers' chances. Though I do think it's fair to assume he may not be alone in his views amongst the voters.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers may be a lot of things, some of those things annoying. But in a league that's been marred by drunk driving, DUI manslaughter and domestic violence, I have a hard time with calling Rodgers the biggest jerk in the league or even a bad guy.

 

He's sensitive and smug. Neither of those make him a bad guy.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I mean.... ray Lewis possibly killed a guy, and they put him in the HOF and built a statue of him in Balt.

[CheezWizHed]

OSS, yes exactly. A jerk, perhaps, but clearly not a "bad guy".

 

Frankly, even Favre's cellphone picture history and drinking/drug issues are worse than anything Rodgers has done (not that a drug addiction makes Favre a "bad guy" either, but Rodgers hasn't even approached anything of that level).

[burnzy24]

Both Bahktiari and Josh Meyers were practicing today. It would be great to have them paly this weekend.

[CheeseheadInQC]

OSS, yes exactly. A jerk, perhaps, but clearly not a "bad guy".

 

Frankly, even Favre's cellphone picture history and drinking/drug issues are worse than anything Rodgers has done (not that a drug addiction makes Favre a "bad guy" either, but Rodgers hasn't even approached anything of that level).

 

Not to mention Favre's recent issues, but I digress ...

 

My biggest problem with this article isn't him not voting for Rodgers, it's not weighing the off the field stuff. I honestly don't have an issue with either of those things. It's the fact that the language used makes it very apparent that this was written with the express purpose of Hub making Hub the story. If he had written a measured piece that had forgone the hyperbolic language and simply said something like "In a year of great performances and several worthy candidates, it is impossible not to consider the totality of Rodgers' year when deciding who I choose to single out and celebrate with my vote, therefore I will be voting for (insert Taylor or Kupp here)" it probably wouldn't have caused such a ruckus.

 

I do think the way the NFL does the MVP voting (pick one rather than a ranked list like baseball) works to Rodgers' advantage, but I expect all four of the main candidates to get at least five votes.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

OSS, yes exactly. A jerk, perhaps, but clearly not a "bad guy".

 

Frankly, even Favre's cellphone picture history and drinking/drug issues are worse than anything Rodgers has done (not that a drug addiction makes Favre a "bad guy" either, but Rodgers hasn't even approached anything of that level).

 

Not to mention Favre's recent issues, but I digress ...

 

My biggest problem with this article isn't him not voting for Rodgers, it's not weighing the off the field stuff. I honestly don't have an issue with either of those things. It's the fact that the language used makes it very apparent that this was written with the express purpose of Hub making Hub the story. If he had written a measured piece that had forgone the hyperbolic language and simply said something like "In a year of great performances and several worthy candidates, it is impossible not to consider the totality of Rodgers' year when deciding who I choose to single out and celebrate with my vote, therefore I will be voting for (insert Taylor or Kupp here)" it probably wouldn't have caused such a ruckus.

 

I do think the way the NFL does the MVP voting (pick one rather than a ranked list like baseball) works to Rodgers' advantage, but I expect all four of the main candidates to get at least five votes.

 

If you actually say who you are voting for before it is announced I am pretty sure you are barred from future voting. My issue is precisely what I guess yours isn't. His vaccination status/"I'm immunized" playing a role in MVP is absurd. Especially when a bunch of vaccinated players have missed time. He got Covid and missed a game, big whoop. You could argue it makes it even more impressive they are the top seed.

 

I mean realistically, the Packers lost one game this year outside of that Week 1 anomaly.

[homer]

The vaccine stuff wasn't the only reason for Hub. Apparently he didn't like the fact that he skipped mini camp either.

 

Kinda funny when you hear the audio he doesn't sound as fist shaking old man as I thought he would.

[Joseph Zarr]

Both Bahktiari and Josh Meyers were practicing today. It would be great to have them paly this weekend.

 

This is incredible news. Adding Bakh and Meyers to this weekend's game day roster for a look-see after their excessive time on the IR would be an incredible luxury.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Skipping mini camp is a giant LOL for me.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Teh vaccine stuff wasn't the only reason for Hub. Apparently he didn' tlike the fact that he skipped mini camp either.

 

Kinda funny when you hear the audio he doesn't sound as fist shaking old man as I thought he would.

 

Hub has made a good living in front of TV cameras and microphones knowing how not to sound like a fist-shaking old man....he's also in cover his rear end mode right now trying to make sure this moment of honesty doesn't send him into early retirement. When I used to live in Chicago I had 670 The Score on religiously, and Hub consistently came off as a pompous know-it-all...perfect for regional sports radio programming but the more he talks faster he finds a way to get himself in trouble.

[bjkrautk]

The main reason I know of Hub Arkush is that he is (was?) a near-weekly guest on Packer radio pregame. Something tells me he won't be getting re-invited to chat any time soon.

[Jose Cardenal1]

Teh vaccine stuff wasn't the only reason for Hub. Apparently he didn' tlike the fact that he skipped mini camp either.

 

Kinda funny when you hear the audio he doesn't sound as fist shaking old man as I thought he would.

 

Hub has made a good living in front of TV cameras and microphones knowing how not to sound like a fist-shaking old man....he's also in cover his rear end mode right now trying to make sure this moment of honesty doesn't send him into early retirement. When I used to live in Chicago I had 670 The Score on religiously, and Hub consistently came off as a pompous know-it-all...perfect for regional sports radio programming but the more he talks faster he finds a way to get himself in trouble.

 

He is the Gery Woelfel of Chicago.

[homer]

I will say that Rodgers calling for Hub to lose (i.e. cancel) his voting privileges because of his opinion was hilarious.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I will say that Rodgers calling for Hub to lose (i.e. cancel) his voting privileges because of his opinion was hilarious.

 

If you watch Rodgers' quote and how he kind of smirks saying that while slowing down that part, I think that was intentional shade directed to emphasize his whole "cancel cancel culture" mantra

[DuWayne Steurer]

Arkush trying to walk this back a bit....

 

https://www.shawlocal.com/bears/analysis/2022/01/05/hub-arkush-an-open-apology-for-my-aaron-rodgers-comments/

[Jimbo]

I've listened to Hub Arkush on and off for 35 years and have respected his knowledge of the game. Disappointed in his comments.

[nodakfan17]

I don’t mind Arkush’s comments. I don’t necessarily agree with them, but he’s entitled to an opinion and I have no problem with him admitting that character factors into his MVP vote. Did he come off a tad unprofessional? Sure.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I don't mind the comments. the problem is that they should have come after the award was revealed.

[Fear The Chorizo]

His comments were inappropriate no matter when he stated them. Trying to justify the mindset for them and primarily apologize for just not having the patience to wait until after casting a vote for a sports league MVP before stating them might be worse, IMO. Edited January 6, 2022 by Fear The Chorizo

[OldHeidelberg]

The not revealing before announcement must be a newer thing, I remember looking up votes in the media for DPOY the year when Woodson won. I think I only found around 19 voters who said in their column who they voted for but it was enough of a sample to be pretty sure he was going to win. It does come off like he just doesn’t like Rodgers which seems sort of unprofessional for a guy who is trusted with a vote. Rodgers says they don’t even know each other so he is pretty much just complaining about behavior that we see from star pro athletes in every sport.

 

As for the COVID as someone else pointed out if it cost them the bye it would matter and he likely wouldn’t win it. But it didn’t.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

As for the COVID as someone else pointed out if it cost them the bye it would matter and he likely wouldn’t win it. But it didn’t.

 

And even this would be ridiculous. Until very recently having the vaccine was highly unlikely to save anybody who got Covid from missing a game. There are a million vaccinated players who missed time.

[PeaveyFury]

I think the guy really got himself into trouble in two major ways- first, keep your mouth shut until after the voting. Second, don't paint yourself into a corner- as others said, talking too quickly without thinking about what you're saying is recipe for disaster. If he had said something to the effect of, 'I think based on all factors that Brady was the MVP of the league', no one would push back much on his choice to cast his vote that way.. But, he blatantly said that Rodgers was the best player in the league this year and he wouldn't be voting for him, which destroys all credibility. Add in that narrative coming from a Chicago-based Bears fanboy, and it equals a guy who probably won't have a MVP vote much longer.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Rodgers may be a lot of things, some of those things annoying. But in a league that's been marred by drunk driving, DUI manslaughter and domestic violence, I have a hard time with calling Rodgers the biggest jerk in the league or even a bad guy.

 

He's sensitive and smug. Neither of those make him a bad guy.

 

Well said.

[brewcrewdue80]

Tampa scare me the most because Brady and Gronk. Plus defensive front vs whatever is left standing on GB's offensive front. (And there's always some Brady Ref treatment after all the crying that seems to help a crucial game changing play)

 

There's no way I'm scared of SF. The Rams have Stafford to derail them.

Arizona I can't see Murray carrying them. It is just Brady who "finds" ways to win. More experienced that Rodgers in cold weather games. And smart enough to wear you down with 2-6yard passes before 1 deep to Gronk or a WR to defeat you.