Game 8: Packers @ Arizona - Thursday, October 28th, 7:20pm

[adambr2]

Damn. Well designed and executed on 4th.

[yourout]

Going to take at least 10 more points to win.

[adambr2]

Imagine just lining up for it on 4th down and going for it, instead of taking it down to .03 seconds on the play clock and calling a Timeout.

 

Yep. I'd be more forgiving of our 4th down timeouts if they ever seemed to result in a positive play moreso than just ..running the play.

[jason21nl]

How can Hopkins run?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

It's the same QB with the same leeway at the line. Nothing has changed. The presnap timeouts aren't coming from the coach. But okay OSS I'm sure you are correct and they're all about the same and we only notice ours just because I didn't give you 2021 data off the top of my head.

 

When you make a claim about a team doing something at a significantly higher rate than the rest of the league it is probably best practice to not use a losing season from 3 years ago with a different HC and offense. Or at least not speak in absolutes and claim to know something you don't actually know.

 

I didn't speak in absolutes. I said "I'd be shocked if X isn't true". Obviously this is obscure data that I can't just pull for every season off a quick Google search.

 

You said, "No, we do it more" and use 3 yr old data. That's absolute.

 

This isn't my point anyway. The link you posted doesn't really address what I said. The writer makes his own arbitrary definition of a "wasted timeout" but the problem is that fans don't actually know WHY a timeout is called, which is what I said originally.

 

Maybe Rodgers avoids turnovers by calling timeouts. Without knowing why a timeout was called, it becomes hard to define a "waste." It may not be as simple as "saving" them. Sort of the same principle in using a reliever before the 9th, as you may not ever get to the 9th (though certainly not the same level of impact as a reliever.)

[adambr2]

Time for a defensive letdown.

[jason21nl]

Soft coverage on that 4th down allowed for an easy first and the rest of that drive was too easy. Just turn it into a shootout now. Score with em

 

Edit. I don’t really want a shootout. A 10 minute drive running down their throat would be awesome

[OldHeidelberg]

Gotta stop that 4th down, an early dagger possibility you let get away. Damn…

[adambr2]

This isn't my point anyway. The link you posted doesn't really address what I said. The writer makes his own arbitrary definition of a "wasted timeout" but the problem is that fans don't actually know WHY a timeout is called, which is what I said originally.

 

Maybe Rodgers avoids turnovers by calling timeouts. Without knowing why a timeout was called, it becomes hard to define a "waste." It may not be as simple as "saving" them. Sort of the same principle in using a reliever before the 9th, as you may not ever get to the 9th (though certainly not the same level of impact as a reliever.)

 

And you also by the same token can't know how many points are theoretically being left on the board because of a lack of their availability to execute a 2-4 minute drill at the end of a half/game.

[brewcrewdue80]

Murray finally taking what defense gives him. We need 2 more TDs to win this game.

[yourout]

Take the touchback.

[adambr2]

Take a knee, you idiot.

[yourout]

Unless it's the last play of the half you should NEVER bring it out.

[OldHeidelberg]

If your going to take it out you better get past the dang 10, we probably need someone else back there

[worm81]

Cut him tomorrow and I wouldn't care.

[LouisEly]

You'd think that the first think they'd tell you as a kick returner is, when in doubt, put the ball in the hands of our hall of fame QB.

[yourout]

Take a knee, you idiot.

 

That one was take a knee to save a knee.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

And you also by the same token can't know how many points are theoretically being left on the board because of a lack of their availability to execute a 2-4 minute drill at the end of a half/game.

 

Correct. That's why I've always thought it to be a silly criticism, especially in the first half. So let's say that a QB sees a bad personnel matchup on the field and calls a timeout. Boo! What a waste! Yes an audible is preferable but for any number of reasons he opts for a timeout, something I personally trust Rodgers to do. It's a pretty unmemorable non-play for a viewer at home but what didn't unfold on that play could change a game.

 

Let's say a much worse QB doesn't and throws a pick or gets sacked. But they take 2 timeouts to halftime because a better chance to use them never comes up. Per your article, there are no "wasted timeouts" for that team. It's a pretty glaring flaw with that system.

 

I just don't think that fans really have enough knowledge as to what goes into personnel groupings and pre-snap to actually know when a timeout gets wasted.

[jason21nl]

So the players just not listen to special teams coach? Does the returner have the green light to take it out?

[yourout]

Cut him tomorrow and I wouldn't care.

 

He is heading straight to the IR. That looked like a season ender.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I just don't understand why packer special teams players consistently do stupid things....it spans all positions across multiple coaches over a loooong time.

[brewcrewdue80]

Big mistake and probably cost not only himself the season but the tacklers season or career as well. Brutal shot. He was out.

[OldHeidelberg]

One of those collisions that makes you wonder about the need for kickoffs at all, onside kicks I guess

[jason21nl]

9 yds on first down. Have to pass the next play. Just have to. Can’t help themselves

[DuWayne Steurer]

the fullback plunge. Nice.