matt arnold what you want

[OldSchoolSnapper]

lol

[SeaBass]

The chief export of Matt Arnold is pain.

[Eye Black]

The thing about being competitive versus winning it all: I am of the mindset that you take as many cracks at the post season as possible because in one of those years, you can hopefully ascend. Atlanta was a .500 club two and a half months ago and now look like world beaters. On the other hand, even if you look dominant across the board, you may not win (think: 2021 Dodgers but they are hardly the only example).

The “as many shots at the Postseason as possible” is the right approach. In baseball, more than any other professional sport, the regular season tells you who the true best teams are and the Postseason is a tournament where quite literally any of the participating teams can win it.

[Thurston Fluff]

Nothing to add other than I love the renaming of the thread. That sort of light-hearted humor is why I love this place so much.

[DuWayne Steurer]

The thing about being competitive versus winning it all: I am of the mindset that you take as many cracks at the post season as possible because in one of those years, you can hopefully ascend. Atlanta was a .500 club two and a half months ago and now look like world beaters. On the other hand, even if you look dominant across the board, you may not win (think: 2021 Dodgers but they are hardly the only example).

The “as many shots at the Postseason as possible” is the right approach. In baseball, more than any other professional sport, the regular season tells you who the true best teams are and the Postseason is a tournament where quite literally any of the participating teams can win it.

 

This postseason, we're about to have an 88 win team be crowned champ. We had an 83 win team win it all in what, 2006? The wild card Nationals won it in 2019. Take as many shots as you can. Stay competitive year to year. Get in the tournament as often as possible.

[nate82]

The thing about being competitive versus winning it all: I am of the mindset that you take as many cracks at the post season as possible because in one of those years, you can hopefully ascend. Atlanta was a .500 club two and a half months ago and now look like world beaters. On the other hand, even if you look dominant across the board, you may not win (think: 2021 Dodgers but they are hardly the only example).

The “as many shots at the Postseason as possible” is the right approach. In baseball, more than any other professional sport, the regular season tells you who the true best teams are and the Postseason is a tournament where quite literally any of the participating teams can win it.

 

Not only that but the Braves literally picked up scrap heap type of players during the deadline and before the deadline.

 

These are the players the Braves traded for: Pederson, Rosario, Duvall, Soler and Rodriguez. Which one of the four was this big time acquisition and the Braves are going for it move?

 

When the Braves acquired Soler this was his slash line: .192/.288/.370

 

Rosario: .254/.296/.389

 

Duvall: .229/.277/.478

 

Rodriguez: 2.82 ERA

 

Pederson: .230/.300/.418

 

If you just look at the numbers it would be Rodriguez who was the best acquisition at the time for the Braves. So again you don't have to go all in to make the World Series or to even win it. Playoff baseball is basically just random luck and you hope that the random luck is on your side. If it were acquiring players then the Dodgers should have won as they added Scherzer and Turner at the deadline. Scherzer and Turner are far better players than what the Braves traded for and I am not even sure the value or the hype of what the Braves did would even add up to the Scherzer and Turner acquisition.

[SeaBass]

The thing about being competitive versus winning it all: I am of the mindset that you take as many cracks at the post season as possible because in one of those years, you can hopefully ascend. Atlanta was a .500 club two and a half months ago and now look like world beaters. On the other hand, even if you look dominant across the board, you may not win (think: 2021 Dodgers but they are hardly the only example).

The “as many shots at the Postseason as possible” is the right approach. In baseball, more than any other professional sport, the regular season tells you who the true best teams are and the Postseason is a tournament where quite literally any of the participating teams can win it.

 

This postseason, we're about to have an 88 win team be crowned champ. We had an 83 win team win it all in what, 2006? The wild card Nationals won it in 2019. Take as many shots as you can. Stay competitive year to year. Get in the tournament as often as possible.

100% agree. I do wonder how further playoff expansion might affect some of the randomness, will it continue to be just as random or will it stabilize the risk for the higher seeds chances?

[Simba2020]

The thing about being competitive versus winning it all: I am of the mindset that you take as many cracks at the post season as possible because in one of those years, you can hopefully ascend. Atlanta was a .500 club two and a half months ago and now look like world beaters. On the other hand, even if you look dominant across the board, you may not win (think: 2021 Dodgers but they are hardly the only example).

The “as many shots at the Postseason as possible” is the right approach. In baseball, more than any other professional sport, the regular season tells you who the true best teams are and the Postseason is a tournament where quite literally any of the participating teams can win it.

 

Not only that but the Braves literally picked up scrap heap type of players during the deadline and before the deadline.

 

These are the players the Braves traded for: Pederson, Rosario, Duvall, Soler and Rodriguez. Which one of the four was this big time acquisition and the Braves are going for it move?

 

When the Braves acquired Soler this was his slash line: .192/.288/.370

 

Rosario: .254/.296/.389

 

Duvall: .229/.277/.478

 

Rodriguez: 2.82 ERA

 

Pederson: .230/.300/.418

 

If you just look at the numbers it would be Rodriguez who was the best acquisition at the time for the Braves. So again you don't have to go all in to make the World Series or to even win it. Playoff baseball is basically just random luck and you hope that the random luck is on your side. If it were acquiring players then the Dodgers should have won as they added Scherzer and Turner at the deadline. Scherzer and Turner are far better players than what the Braves traded for and I am not even sure the value or the hype of what the Braves did would even add up to the Scherzer and Turner acquisition.

The going for it move(s) were the four outfielders. Before the trades, the Braves outfield was Almonte, Heredia and Arcia. They were 44-46 at the time and destined for an early vacation if they didn't add the outfielders. It was obvious the type of player they wanted. Low average, low OBP guys but all with loads of power as each had a 30+ homer year in his career, Soler 48.

 

What's misleading about regular season records is the depth of a team's rotation. The Brewers had a much deeper rotation, six legitimate starters. The Braves had three, at least after Ynoa broke his hand. You will definitely win more games in the regular season with that depth but it doesn't do all that much for you come the playoffs.

 

The Braves during their heyday never figured that out. They basically insisted on having the best 5 man rotation in baseball which often left them with a lousy bench and bullpen. Sure it helped them make the playoffs year after year but it wasn't then, and really isn't today, the best recipe to win the World Series.

 

So to me it's clear, the Brewers had the best regular season team when compared with Atlanta, but the Braves were the superior playoff team.

[narwhalattack]

Reminder that the Yankees swung for the big name guys and still didn’t make it past the Wild Cards.

[nate82]

The going for it move(s) were the four outfielders. Before the trades, the Braves outfield was Almonte, Heredia and Arcia. They were 44-46 at the time and destined for an early vacation if they didn't add the outfielders. It was obvious the type of player they wanted. Low average, low OBP guys but all with loads of power as each had a 30+ homer year in his career, Soler 48.

 

None of the trades that the Braves made were the going for it moves. Typically going for it moves are trading for a Sabathia, Greinke, etc. Not dumpster diving which is what some on here would have called the trades if it was the Brewers trading for those players.

[TURBO]

I wouldn't call Rosario dumpster diving...

 

He didn't have a great year during the regular season though, but far from dumpster diving.

[nate82]

I wouldn't call Rosario dumpster diving...

 

He didn't have a great year during the regular season though, but far from dumpster diving.

 

There is a specific person who posts on here who would of called that dumpster diving as they are not a big named player. Two of the 4 OF's that the Braves acquired the Brewers tried acquiring during the off season also.

[Simba2020]

The going for it move(s) were the four outfielders. Before the trades, the Braves outfield was Almonte, Heredia and Arcia. They were 44-46 at the time and destined for an early vacation if they didn't add the outfielders. It was obvious the type of player they wanted. Low average, low OBP guys but all with loads of power as each had a 30+ homer year in his career, Soler 48.

 

None of the trades that the Braves made were the going for it moves. Typically going for it moves are trading for a Sabathia, Greinke, etc. Not dumpster diving which is what some on here would have called the trades if it was the Brewers trading for those players.

They had zero starting caliber outfielders on their team before making those four trades. Obviously they could have done nothing and stayed home. They felt the East was winnable and they had to add players that were worthy of starting. You can call it dumpster diving but what other choice did they have to make, other than quitting? And they needed all four. Acquiring one stud wasn't going to do them any good when they still would have been starting two other bums regularly.

[Brewcrewin07]

I wouldn't call Rosario dumpster diving...

 

He didn't have a great year during the regular season though, but far from dumpster diving.

 

There is a specific person who posts on here who would of called that dumpster diving as they are not a big named player. Two of the 4 OF's that the Braves acquired the Brewers tried acquiring during the off season also.

 

Wrong, that's not at all dumpster diving, in my book. You know what it is?? It's being aggressive. Look what happened because the Braves decided to get aggressive. They are still playing.

 

John Curtiss and Daniel Norris, is NOT being aggressive. They were nothing moves, other than to add some depth to the bullpen. Very Meh moves. How'd they work out??

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I wouldn't call Rosario dumpster diving...

 

He didn't have a great year during the regular season though, but far from dumpster diving.

 

There is a specific person who posts on here who would of called that dumpster diving as they are not a big named player. Two of the 4 OF's that the Braves acquired the Brewers tried acquiring during the off season also.

 

Wrong, that's not at all dumpster diving, in my book. You know what it is?? It's being aggressive. Look what happened because the Braves decided to get aggressive. They are still playing.

 

John Curtiss and Daniel Norris, is NOT being aggressive. They were nothing moves, other than to add some depth to the bullpen. Very Meh moves. How'd they work out??

 

The Braves were at the point where they simply needed viable OFers. Orlando Arcia was seeing regular time out there for them prior to those acquisitions. The 4 OFers they traded for certainly weren't world beaters be any means. They weren't having great seasons either. But the Braves needed bodies. Is just so happens that those guys have played well since they were acquired. But they were pretty much "meh" deals at the time.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Ron Robinson's Beard

[sveumrules]

Trading for four OF who were carrying OPS+ marks of 100 (Duvall), 91 (Joc), 86 (Rosario) and 76 (Soler) is pretty much the definition of getting some warm bodies and hoping for the best.

 

The aggressive move would have been filling those sports with the likes of Schwarber (145 OPS+), Gallo (139 OPS+) &/or Bryant (130 OPS+) who were all performing much better and required more aggressive prospect packages to seal their respective deals.

[Roderick]

I wouldn't call Rosario dumpster diving...

 

He didn't have a great year during the regular season though, but far from dumpster diving.

 

There is a specific person who posts on here who would of called that dumpster diving as they are not a big named player. Two of the 4 OF's that the Braves acquired the Brewers tried acquiring during the off season also.

 

Wrong, that's not at all dumpster diving, in my book. You know what it is?? It's being aggressive. Look what happened because the Braves decided to get aggressive. They are still playing.

 

John Curtiss and Daniel Norris, is NOT being aggressive. They were nothing moves, other than to add some depth to the bullpen. Very Meh moves. How'd they work out??

 

[SomewhereInTime]

The thing about being competitive versus winning it all: I am of the mindset that you take as many cracks at the post season as possible because in one of those years, you can hopefully ascend. Atlanta was a .500 club two and a half months ago and now look like world beaters. On the other hand, even if you look dominant across the board, you may not win (think: 2021 Dodgers but they are hardly the only example).

The “as many shots at the Postseason as possible” is the right approach. In baseball, more than any other professional sport, the regular season tells you who the true best teams are and the Postseason is a tournament where quite literally any of the participating teams can win it.

 

This postseason, we're about to have an 88 win team be crowned champ. We had an 83 win team win it all in what, 2006? The wild card Nationals won it in 2019. Take as many shots as you can. Stay competitive year to year. Get in the tournament as often as possible.

 

The Nationals and Braves both got off to bad starts but played great in the second half. I would argue the postseason performance is a better indicator of how good each of those teams were compared to how they played in April and May.

[djoctagone]

does anyone know how long matt arnold's reported contract extension is?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Image isn't working. I'd very much like to know what it is.

[TURBO]

 

Image isn't working. I'd very much like to know what it is.

 

 

Works for me...

 

Moving goalposts...

[Fear The Chorizo]

I wouldn't call Rosario dumpster diving...

 

He didn't have a great year during the regular season though, but far from dumpster diving.

 

There is a specific person who posts on here who would of called that dumpster diving as they are not a big named player. Two of the 4 OF's that the Braves acquired the Brewers tried acquiring during the off season also.

 

Wrong, that's not at all dumpster diving, in my book. You know what it is?? It's being aggressive. Look what happened because the Braves decided to get aggressive. They are still playing.

 

John Curtiss and Daniel Norris, is NOT being aggressive. They were nothing moves, other than to add some depth to the bullpen. Very Meh moves. How'd they work out??

 

If you take this train of thought, apparently the Dodgers weren't aggressive enough by fielding a team with close to $275M payroll and then trading for Trea Turner and Scherzer on top of it.

 

The Braves didn't get aggressive at the trade deadline - they took a quantity over quality approach because they had nothing in the OF once Acuna went down and didn't want to make splashier moves that would've required them trading value from their farm system. It's the type of soft buy a sub-.500 team can make in a division where nobody wanted to win it and there wasn't a realistic shot at pushing for a WC2 spot when at the time all of the Giants/Dodgers/Pads looked like they were going to push towards 100 win seasons.

 

The Braves are the perfect example of baseball being baseball in the postseason - by that I mean it's actually rare for the team perceived to be the best regular season team winning it all, and the playoffs typically boil down to whose pitching staff doesn't fall apart over the course of multiple long series and which team has a couple role players come up with hits in big spots to win them games when their biggest stars are being pitched around.

[Thurston Fluff]

The Nationals and Braves both got off to bad starts but played great in the second half. I would argue the postseason performance is a better indicator of how good each of those teams were compared to how they played in April and May.

 

Teams can hide their lack of starting pitching depth in the playoffs due to the days off combined with being able to push everyone to the limit knowing there is no tomorrow to worry about. There is also the issue of slumps and surges every team, no matter how good or bad, go through. The Diamondbacks can win a seven games series against the Dodgers if they're playing well- or the Dodgers aren't- at the time. There is no way they could win a 162 game series against them. Why? Because the Dodgers are much better than the Diamondbacks.

[Underachiever]

I wouldn't call Rosario dumpster diving...

 

He didn't have a great year during the regular season though, but far from dumpster diving.

 

There is a specific person who posts on here who would of called that dumpster diving as they are not a big named player. Two of the 4 OF's that the Braves acquired the Brewers tried acquiring during the off season also.

 

Wrong, that's not at all dumpster diving, in my book. You know what it is?? It's being aggressive. Look what happened because the Braves decided to get aggressive. They are still playing.

 

John Curtiss and Daniel Norris, is NOT being aggressive. They were nothing moves, other than to add some depth to the bullpen. Very Meh moves. How'd they work out??

You left out Escobar. Where is that on the agressiveness scale?

[TURBO]

I hate the title of this thread.

 

over