matt arnold what you want

[StearnsFTW]

The love for DS here(and quite frankly all over this board) is really something. *EDITED* You'll never get me to say he's NOT a good GM, there's zero doubt he is, I just much preferred the far more aggressive style of Doug Melvin. Now if DS would ever acquire some of that trait...now we're talking.

 

OK. Doug Melvin was never in Stearns' class, your opinion notwithstanding.

 

[MVP2110]

 

Sounds like in the end the Brewers denied the Mets permission to interview. Not a great look imo

[Brewcrewin07]

Lmao at the idea that Stearns isn't aggressive

 

Give me your examples of DS being "aggressive", I could give you more than these obviously, but give me TWO examples of moves that DS has done that can equal or match those that Melvin did in acquiring CC and Greinke. Melvin gave two craps about "prospects" and dealt them to win now at the major league level. I appreciate that in a GM. A guy not afraid to go "all in" even if in the end, it fails. IDC if it's football, or baseball or NBA.

[StearnsFTW]

Lmao at the idea that Stearns isn't aggressive

 

Give me your examples of DS being "aggressive", I could give you more than these obviously, but give me TWO examples of moves that DS has done that can equal or match those that Melvin did in acquiring CC and Greinke. Melvin gave two craps about "prospects" and dealt them to win now at the major league level. I appreciate that in a GM. A guy not afraid to go "all in" even if in the end, it fails. IDC if it's football, or baseball or NBA.

 

Do the two examples have to have occurred on the same day, because......

 

Oh wait, I can do that too.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Sounds like in the end the Brewers denied the Mets permission to interview. Not a great look imo

 

It's been reported widely that Arnold actually pulled his name out of the running. Obviously there is more to this story that we'll likely never know

[MVP2110]

Lmao at the idea that Stearns isn't aggressive

 

Give me your examples of DS being "aggressive", I could give you more than these obviously, but give me TWO examples of moves that DS has done that can equal or match those that Melvin did in acquiring CC and Greinke. Melvin gave two craps about "prospects" and dealt them to win now at the major league level. I appreciate that in a GM. A guy not afraid to go "all in" even if in the end, it fails. IDC if it's football, or baseball or NBA.

 

It's not worth really debating with you because your mind is already made up, but let's just say there are more ways to be aggressive than shipping away your best prospects for win now players.

[Brewcrewin07]

Lmao at the idea that Stearns isn't aggressive

 

Give me your examples of DS being "aggressive", I could give you more than these obviously, but give me TWO examples of moves that DS has done that can equal or match those that Melvin did in acquiring CC and Greinke. Melvin gave two craps about "prospects" and dealt them to win now at the major league level. I appreciate that in a GM. A guy not afraid to go "all in" even if in the end, it fails. IDC if it's football, or baseball or NBA.

 

It's not worth really debating with you because your mind is already made up, but let's just say there are more ways to be aggressive than shipping away your best prospects for win now players.

 

Everyone defines it differently sure. Some would say just being in on trade conversations for guys like Scherzer etc, means he's being aggressive. Others would say going out and getting Adames as early as he did was/is being "aggressive". Now Scherzer didn't come for reasons out of his control, and sometimes trades don't happen for those reasons. That being said, I'm 99% certain there are some big deals he could have done during his tenure that he was just too afraid to pull the trigger on for whatever reason.

 

Being aggressive to me means making a trade(s) to acquire guys(to win now) where the cost is so high it makes you feel "uncomfortable" to give up what a team is asking for in prospects, and yet you do it anyway because you don't run scared, you don't worry about the future in that moment, because quite frankly it doesn't matter in that moment. It's being bold, That's aggressiveness to me.

[sveumrules]

Melvin 2003-15: 1,024 - 1,081 (.486 W%)

Stearns 2016-21: 468 - 403 (.537 W%)

 

Obviously the organization was in a much better place when Stearns took over than when Melvin did, but even comparing their peaks David comes out on top pretty easily...

 

Melvin 2008-11: 343 - 305 (.529 W%)

Stearns 2018-21: 309 - 238 (.565 W%)

 

I still maintain Melvin's worst move was hiring Ken Macha, completely misread the room after firing Yost & wasted two seasons of the Braun/Fielder window. Doug was a great transitional GM to bring the team out of the wasteland they had been in for 20 plus years before Mark A came along, but Stearns & company have produced objectively better results & taken the organization to another level.

[TURBO]

Everyone defines it differently sure. Some would say just being in on trade conversations for guys like Scherzer etc, means he's being aggressive. Others would say going out and getting Adames as early as he did was/is being "aggressive". Now Scherzer didn't come for reasons out of his control, and sometimes trades don't happen for those reasons. That being said, I'm 99% certain there are some big deals he could have done during his tenure that he was just too afraid to pull the trigger on for whatever reason.

 

Being aggressive to me means making a trade(s) to acquire guys(to win now) where the cost is so high it makes you feel "uncomfortable" to give up what a team is asking for in prospects, and yet you do it anyway because you don't run scared, you don't worry about the future in that moment, because quite frankly it doesn't matter in that moment. It's being bold, That's aggressiveness to me.

 

Man, you are truly a broken record.

 

Relentless.

[SeaBass]

Via Dan Federico on Twitter:

The biggest issue with the Mets gig, I'm told, is Sandy Alderson still being at the helm with his son Bryan in the Assistant GM role. Not to mention Cohen turning people off as well. Not breaking news but some insight as to why there haven't been any takers thus far

 

 

So any hire has to deal with Cohen and his meddling, being in Alderson's shadow and nepotism. No wonder there's no line for this job.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Via Dan Federico on Twitter:

The biggest issue with the Mets gig, I'm told, is Sandy Alderson still being at the helm with his son Bryan in the Assistant GM role. Not to mention Cohen turning people off as well. Not breaking news but some insight as to why there haven't been any takers thus far

 

 

So any hire has to deal with Cohen and his meddling, being in Alderson's shadow and nepotism. No wonder there's no line for this job.

 

Bingo. Mets are a big market, but it's a joke of an organization. Ownership under Cohen doesn't seem to have righted any of those past wrongs. It's more than just the record and number of championships that continue to make the Mets the Yankees' little brother.

[sveumrules]

I'd say the Mets trading for Lindor then extending him for 340 million dollars was a pretty aggressive move.

 

Firing their hitting coach at midseason was a pretty aggressive move.

 

Going back a little further, trading Kelenic to SEA for Cano/Diaz was another pretty aggressive move.

 

The Mets aggressive moves haven't produced much in terms of winning anything though. See also Padres, Phillies, Angels, etc...

[djoctagone]

expect an extension for matt arnold to be announced by the brewers.

[monty57]

The love for DS here(and quite frankly all over this board) is really something. *EDITED* You'll never get me to say he's NOT a good GM, there's zero doubt he is, I just much preferred the far more aggressive style of Doug Melvin. Now if DS would ever acquire some of that trait...now we're talking.

 

Edit - Please refrain from name calling.

 

His "aggressiveness" left them flailing in limbo, signing over-the-hill "name" players for a few years while sitting around .500 and out of the playoffs until the final collapse, which left Attanasio sitting in an interview with Bill & Brian with a dumbfounded look on his face saying "I don't know what happened, but something has to change." Along came Stearns and after a very short "rebuild/retooling," we've been back in the playoffs for four straight years.

 

Melvin took over a system with a great judge of talent in Jack Z., and some really good prospects in the system. He added some talent and got them a couple of playoff appearances, but he drained the farm in some "go for it" moves that I think cost them more playoff appearances than they made during his tenure. It could be argued that with the prospect talent he inherited and the amount of excess payroll room he had to play with, they should have gotten more playoff berths than they did. Heck, the Royals went to two World Series, winning one of them, with much of the roster being built from Melvin's "aggressive" Greinke trade. He left the team in a mess, and I strongly believe that we would have had a long run of futility if he had stayed on as GM.

 

To his credit, I do think that Attanasio was a different (more hands-on) owner during Melvin's tenure, and in listening to some of Melvin's interviews in his later years, I think there was a disagreement in the direction the organization should take. It's hard to say what, if anything, Melvin would have done differently if he had "today's Attanasio." I am glad that Attanasio had his epiphany, and I think Stearns and his team have done a great job as is evidenced by the team's performance during his time here.

 

It probably sounds like I hate Melvin. I don't. After decades of futility, it was wonderful to see the team become relevant again, and Melvin had a lot to do with that. However, he didn't have as much success in his 13 years at the helm as Stearns has had in half that amount of time.

[brewers888]

Anyone pining for Doug Melvin over Stearns is nuts. Melvin was good at finding bats but he was a terrible evaluator of pitching and the defense was not stellar under him either. You can do far worse than Melvin but he isn't in the same class as Stearns who is easily a top 5 executive in the game.

[markedman5]

I can’t wait to see who the Mets end up hiring……it could be someone from this board….

 

[bjkrautk]

I can’t wait to see who the Mets end up hiring……it could be someone from this board….

 

 

Let the record reflect, I have taken my name out of consideration for the Mets G.M. position.

[Jopal78]

Anyone pining for Doug Melvin over Stearns is nuts. Melvin was good at finding bats but he was a terrible evaluator of pitching and the defense was not stellar under him either. You can do far worse than Melvin but he isn't in the same class as Stearns who is easily a top 5 executive in the game.

 

Drafted Woodruff, Mike Fiers, Jake Odorizzi, Jimmy Nelson, Yovanni Gallardo and Jeremy Jeffriess. Traded for Hader, Houser, Will Smith, and Corey Knebel. Signed All Star closers Turnbow and Danny Kolb off the scrap heap. But for Nelson, all pitchers who were either all stars or ten year players in the major leagues.

 

He didn’t draft and develop enough pitching, but his track record is much improved now that Woodruff and Houser are in the majors.

[brewmann04]

Yes Doug did a good job

[markedman5]

Doug didn’t draft anyone……they were drafted on his watch but he wasn’t the decision maker.

[yfinn6]

I can’t wait to see who the Mets end up hiring……it could be someone from this board….

 

 

Let the record reflect, I have taken my name out of consideration for the Mets G.M. position.

 

I'm too busy with a guy on the other line about some whitewalls.

[Eye Black]

I just much preferred the far more aggressive style of Doug Melvin. Now if DS would ever acquire some of that trait...now we're talking.

I think the 2011 trade deadline would beg to differ.

 

With the best team assembled during the Melvin era they neglected to make any substantial moves at the deadline and decided to roll with Yuni B at shortstop.

[TURBO]

I can’t wait to see who the Mets end up hiring……it could be someone from this board….

 

 

Let the record reflect, I have taken my name out of consideration for the Mets G.M. position.

 

I'm too busy with a guy on the other line about some whitewalls.

 

Major League quote appreciated...

 

[nate82]

I just much preferred the far more aggressive style of Doug Melvin. Now if DS would ever acquire some of that trait...now we're talking.

I think the 2011 trade deadline would beg to differ.

 

With the best team assembled during the Melvin era they neglected to make any substantial moves at the deadline and decided to roll with Yuni B at shortstop.

 

There wasn't really anyone to trade to get better the cupboard was completely empty. I think the Brewers tried to get some more pieces for that team but they just didn't have anything to trade. It is why there is always this caution of trading everything you have during one season and then not having anything left when you really need to find an upgrade. The Brewers didn't even have the prospects to get someone like Furcal from the Dodgers that year.

[MrTPlush]

IF the brewers GM job is open, how appealing is it? You are basically a GM In title only. Can't see top candidates flocking to apply, but maybe I am wrong and Arnold did more than was publicly known.

 

I mean...the Mets just wanted to hire the guy in that spot to run their team. Sounds like Brewers GM be a real nice bridge to a big time gig.

 

Arnold handled a lot of the non player related operations so Stearns could focus on player operations. Of course Stearns also said him and Arnold worked very close together on player operations too. I would have to think every single non GM would love to have that job. Not only is it a promotion, but you get to sit right under a guy that is pretty highly regarded these days. You would either be groomed to take a really good POBO/GM position elsewhere in a few years or Stearns would move on and you would be incredibly likely to just be promoted as top dog for the Brewers.

 

If you have offers to go be top dog for another team, yah, you might not want the Brewers GM gig...but if you don't have that chance this would be about as good as it gets.