2021-10-11 (NLDS Game #3): Brewers (Peralta) at Braves (Anderson) [Brewers lose, 3-0]

[Nola Beery]

Yeah, this is where the randomness of October gets you.

 

Bad luck on a couple of hard hit balls, and then a guy catches up to a pitch you wouldn't have wanted anywhere else.

 

Baseball is cruel, man. It is very cruel.

 

It's not random. Our rag tag scrubs can't hit and they have 30+ bomb guys up and down the line. They hit a few bombs and we rejoice when we get a single. Aces are great but can't win with literally 0 runs.

 

It almost seems like we need Tellez or Vogelback to save the day with a dinger off the bench or we get nothing. It's hard to recall how we won 90+ games with such an unreliable batting order.

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

I came here to talk about the game, not read 70 posts of people whining that we don't score 10 runs a game. Nobody wants to read that crap...

 

How can you discuss this game/series without talking about the offense? It's really the main story.

[HarveysWBs]

I wouldn’t want Stearns’ job (or Counsell’s for that matter). To do what he has done consistently with these resources defies belief, and it still all comes down to a handful of flukey games in October.

 

I guess you just keep trusting the process. There will be plenty of time for a post-mortem when the body is actually, you know, without a pulse. Have to still find a way to grind out some runs.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Pulling Peralta in that spot reeks of a desperation move....if the inept offense can't get a run across with 2nd and 3rd and nobody out, then you at least let Peralta stay in the game to hold the Braves in check to and hope they can get to the Braves pen. Anderson was coming out after 5 regardless.

 

"Desperation" or "aggressive" are interchangeable adjectives used depending on how the move plays out

 

You aren't mistaken though saying the offense is "desperate" for scoring opportunities...and they finally had one

 

If CC is that unconfident in his offense to view its best chance to score any runs forces him to yank his starting pitcher after FOUR innings and is dealing, then ill stick with the adjective of desperate. This isn't game 5 - and its going to put strain on a good but thin bullpen tomorrow when game 4 gets into the mid-late innings, too.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

Hindsight it 20/20 isn’t it? That’s the inherent problem of paying for anticipated performance based on prior production. On the other hand, had they let him walk or traded him and he remained a monster everyone would still call the front office a bunch of idiots.

 

I liked the deal. Doesn't change the fact though. It is looking horrific for the team right now. He's worse than I think any nightmare scenario could have imagined.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Would any of you have agreed with Counsell had that been Burnes or Woodruff? Because Freddy has been battling them statistically all year. And he's been better than both of them the 3rd time through the order. The only reason anyone thinks that decision was acceptable is because so many still can't grasp how good Peralta has become. It's indefensible and likely will go down as the moment when the season ended.

 

I mean, if it's Burnes, Freddy can come in instead of Houser. The Brewers whole game plan is get 27 outs and give up less than 2 runs. No matter who's pitching.

 

If that's the philosophy, I pull Burnes too because now he can at least come back and throw 2 innings in Game 5 if you need him.

 

In CC's mind, a hit there makes the game a likely win. Keeping Peralta im, best-case, keeps it 50-50. What happened was the literal worst-case scenario, not the expected outcome.

[tmwiese55]

Something that will be overlooked here is that if Urias moved up on the wild pitch like he probably should've. Then assuming Omar's bat does the same, none of this happens. Just a horrible luck of bad sequences/coincidences in a row. Yet everyone will simplify to act like the manager is a moron.

 

I'm on board with our players and manager both being morons if that helps.

 

I wouldn't call the PH move braindead. It's a tough call and see either way. Don't think he's a moron whichever route he went with. Obviously it didn't work out though. Urias missed move up, Cain hard hit doesn't get through, Urias doesn't do contact play on Cain hit, Vog long AB and ball in play, Wong long AB hard hit, good P comes in and immediately give up 3. That's a brutal string of bad breaks in a row to put all on the manager's back. Oddly enough, the players actually all had good ABs/hard hits for once, yet none of them got through. That's more crap luck than being morons.

 

Not specifically you. but had he let Peralta hit and we get nothing, then Peralta is the one to give up a couple runs next innings a faction here would be saying the same thing as others are now and blaming the manager. It's easy in hindsight. There was several on here before all this went down saying how they wanted Peralta out soon anyway so they didn't see him again, that would've been at most one more inning.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Pulling Peralta in that spot reeks of a desperation move....if the inept offense can't get a run across with 2nd and 3rd and nobody out, then you at least let Peralta stay in the game to hold the Braves in check to and hope they can get to the Braves pen. Anderson was coming out after 5 regardless.

 

"Desperation" or "aggressive" are interchangeable adjectives used depending on how the move plays out

 

You aren't mistaken though saying the offense is "desperate" for scoring opportunities...and they finally had one

 

If CC is that unconfident in his offense to view its best chance to score any runs forces him to yank his starting pitcher after FOUR innings and is dealing, then ill stick with the adjective of desperate. This isn't game 5 - and its going to put strain on a good but thin bullpen tomorrow when game 4 gets into the mid-late innings, too.

 

Agree with all of this. It puts a lot of pressure on Lauer to pitch a gem tomorrow, and give them some length. As it is now, the pen is backed into a bit of a corner.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

 

It's called monday morning quarterbacking. If Vogel slaps one down the line and we score 2, and Houser pitches effectively...then CC is a genius. That outcome was probably more likely than the outcome that happened. That'd be like, why didn't Kershaw just walk Woodruff in the playoffs instead of pitching to him and allowing a hr. CC played the odds and lost, but his decision-making was correct in this case.

 

Monday morning quarterbacking? Before that inning started you were already pining for Counsell to remove Peralta. Of course you're going to defend it regardless of how poorly it worked out because you didn't want Atlanta getting more looks at him. That's despite the fact he's had no trouble either this year or in his entire career the 3rd time through. It's also despite the fact that Atlanta wasn't exactly haven't much success against him. And it also ignores the fact that the alternatives to giving Atlanta repeat looks against Peralta were sending in guys the Braves had already seen this series.

 

Some of us expressed not wanting Peralta to be pulled early BEFORE that situation even came up. Some of us look awfully correct right now. You look awfully incorrect right now so you call it MMQB'ing. Because it's a convenient deflection.

[HarveysWBs]

Nice play there by Adames! Keep this thing close.

[yourout]

I’m as disappointed as anyone right now, but the offense’s inability to do much of anything this series makes it hard to be too overly upset if they lose. Asking a pitching staff to work on razor thin margins where you basically can’t give up a run in order to have a chance to win doesn’t leave much hope.

 

+1....it has been painfully obvious they can't score runs without help for most of the year. I would love to see the percentage of their runs that came with help from the opponent(walks, errors, beans) and how it compared to the rest of the league.

 

They did a good job of beating up on teams that wanted to hand them games and were trotting out AAA guys but when they face a team that wont walk them and commit errors they struggle to score.

 

Even one of the 2 we have scored was a bean ball.

[adambr2]

 

Hindsight it 20/20 isn’t it? That’s the inherent problem of paying for anticipated performance based on prior production. On the other hand, had they let him walk or traded him and he remained a monster everyone would still call the front office a bunch of idiots.

 

I liked the deal. Doesn't change the fact though. It is looking horrific for the team right now. He's worse than I think any nightmare scenario could have imagined.

 

I know I was on an island, but I hated the deal. I get why they did it ....but man, is it ever going to hamper this organization.

[Pugger]

Trying to come up with a silver lining...Anderson looked vulnerable, some good ABs that inning. Pitching needs to put up more zeros.

 

They had second and third with nobody out when they've been scoring nothing and they came up completely empty. There is no silver lining. They could just as easily go down 1-2-3 next inning.

 

We've stunk at scoring runs with runners at 3rd and less than 2 outs all damn season long. Why should things change in postseason when the pitching is great every night?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think anyone would blame Counsell if Peralta gave up a 3-run homer in the 5th. He was dealing. Yes a few would, but that bringing him back out was far more understandable than what he did, imo.

[Jopal78]

 

Hindsight it 20/20 isn’t it? That’s the inherent problem of paying for anticipated performance based on prior production. On the other hand, had they let him walk or traded him and he remained a monster everyone would still call the front office a bunch of idiots.

 

I liked the deal. Doesn't change the fact though. It is looking horrific for the team right now. He's worse than I think any nightmare scenario could have imagined.

 

Players have good years and players have bad years. Other than never signing a player to market rate deal there really isn’t any way to avoid it

[sixtolezcano16]

To think our 5th best starter in the rotation just cost us this series is absolutely sickening. Beginning to believe we will never win a World Series.

 

Only one team wins per year. I hope Stearns sees the error of his ways and springs for a couple of hitters this winter, otherwise 2022 looks like a repeat at best. Pitching and defense gets you far in baseball, however, that doesn't mean that you can get by with absolutely no above average hitters and not just average at best and below average realistically.

[HarveysWBs]

Atta boy, Strickland. Rest of the bullpen needs to keep doing its job. I think they’re up to the task.

[tmwiese55]

Something that will be overlooked here is that if Urias moved up on the wild pitch like he probably should've. Then assuming Omar's bat does the same, none of this happens. Just a horrible luck of bad sequences/coincidences in a row. Yet everyone will simplify to act like the manager is a moron.

 

I mean most players probably aren’t advancing there…you are kinda simplifying him going or not going there.

 

Agree. That's why I wouldn't 'blame' him so to speak. It was a close one, he didn't get a good read/jump so he stayed put. Nothing to bash him for, that's not what I was doing. But a slightly different outcome there and it changes the whole string of events. If he happens to make the split second decision to go he probably makes it and it changes everything, that's all I'm saying. Not bashing him, it's split second decision and nothing wrong with being safe.

[KeithStone53151]

 

It's called monday morning quarterbacking. If Vogel slaps one down the line and we score 2, and Houser pitches effectively...then CC is a genius. That outcome was probably more likely than the outcome that happened. That'd be like, why didn't Kershaw just walk Woodruff in the playoffs instead of pitching to him and allowing a hr. CC played the odds and lost, but his decision-making was correct in this case.

 

Monday morning quarterbacking? Before that inning started you were already pining for Counsell to remove Peralta. Of course you're going to defend it regardless of how poorly it worked out because you didn't want Atlanta getting more looks at him. That's despite the fact he's had no trouble either this year or in his entire career the 3rd time through. It's also despite the fact that Atlanta wasn't exactly haven't much success against him. And it also ignores the fact that the alternatives to giving Atlanta repeat looks against Peralta were sending in guys the Braves had already seen this series.

 

Some of us expressed not wanting Peralta to be pulled early BEFORE that situation even came up. Some of us look awfully correct right now. You look awfully incorrect right now so you call it MMQB'ing. Because it's a convenient deflection.

 

Well right in this one case it worked out poorly. I think CC played the odds correctly and statistically he made the correct move.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Atta boy, Strickland. Rest of the bullpen needs to keep doing its job. I think they’re up to the task.

 

Really underrated signing this season. Strickland has been a stud since they first grabbed him off the scrap heap.

[Pugger]

We're done. CC has done a lot for this team but he likely just cost them this series.

 

No. The absolute inability to score runs will be the reason why this series is over for all intents and purposes.

[willie key]

You could see this coming for a month now.

 

they are going to be 2-11 or 2-12. Hell I cant even count now against teams in the playoffs since the end of tha cleveland series.

 

Losing this series seems like such a waste of a year. Waste of a pitching staff. Losing erodes confidence. it just does and this team had been losing for a month

 

I guess there are not mets like teams in october.

 

Usually I always look back on brewers teams that make the playoffs fondly even when they end in disappointment

 

But I dont think I can with this team. An absolute waste of a major major major major major major major major major major opportunity because you score less than one run a game

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

The way this team is built, they need to score something like 8 runs to have a good chance of winning a best-of-five. I always thought you could win two games with 2 runs. The pitching is that good. But you still needed that one game where the offense got 4.

 

Maybe it'll be today. If not, there is a tomorrow. At least there's that.

[sixtolezcano16]

Something that will be overlooked here is that if Urias moved up on the wild pitch like he probably should've. Then assuming Omar's bat does the same, none of this happens. Just a horrible luck of bad sequences/coincidences in a row. Yet everyone will simplify to act like the manager is a moron.

 

It's called monday morning quarterbacking. If Vogel slaps one down the line and we score 2, and Houser pitches effectively...then CC is a genius. That outcome was probably more likely than the outcome that happened. That'd be like, why didn't Kershaw just walk Woodruff in the playoffs instead of pitching to him and allowing a hr. CC played the odds and lost, but his decision-making was correct in this case.

 

Let's all agree this was an act of despiration and was the wrong move. If you set-up your team as pitching and defense this was the worst possible move to make.

[HarveysWBs]

Trying to come up with a silver lining...Anderson looked vulnerable, some good ABs that inning. Pitching needs to put up more zeros.

 

They had second and third with nobody out when they've been scoring nothing and they came up completely empty. There is no silver lining. They could just as easily go down 1-2-3 next inning.

 

We've stunk at scoring runs with runners at 3rd and less than 2 outs all damn seadon long. Why should this postseason be any different?

They’ve actually been really good in that spot this year. Over 1.0 ops, fwiw.