2021-09-23: Cardinals (Wainwright) at Brewers (Houser) [Brewers lose, 8-5 -- Crew up 5-0 early on two Tyrone Taylor home runs; bullpen scuffles allowing 7 runs]

[Jopal78]

 

You’re free to believe the Brewers have the division locked up, but it is not literally true that the Brewers would have to lose every game.

 

They have 8 more wins now than the Cardinals. I don’t believe the Brewers will lose all of their remaining 9 games, to think that is frankly stupid.

 

But for the sake of argument even if they did the Cardinals have to go 8-2 over their final ten games just to tie!

 

Teams simply don’t play .000 baseball for extended periods of time nor so they play .800 baseball for a month.

 

If it happens I guess it goes down in baseball history with the shot heard round the world, as the greatest turn around of all time…. And Counsel gets fired.

[IIAY]

Is there a way to know what our record is when Cain and Pina are in the lineup? This isn’t a knock on their performance today. I just feel like they never win when I see it. But feelings aren’t facts so wondering if there is a way.

Including today, Cain and Pina were both in the starting lineup in 26 games. The Brewers are 14-12 in those 26 games.

[PinaMadness]

Absolutely inexcusable to get swept like this. Absolutely inexcusable. The division should've been wrapped up days ago, and there's a good shot they won't have it wrapped up by the end of the homestand. I hope Counsell and crew don't have the "these games don't matter" attitude.

[KeithStone53151]

They have 8 more wins now than the Cardinals. I don’t believe the Brewers will lose all of their remaining 9 games, to think that is frankly stupid.

 

After getting 4 game swept at home, I'm mildly more concerned than I was at the beginning of the week. The Cards face us and then the Cubs 7 times. We face Cards, Mets, Dodgers. I think clinching this weekend is critical after what happened this week. There's certainly a path to losing 6 straight against very good teams that will probably need every last win to achieve their goals for the regular season.

[TURBO]

Just so completely gross.

[pacopete4]

Is there a way to know what our record is when Cain and Pina are in the lineup? This isn’t a knock on their performance today. I just feel like they never win when I see it. But feelings aren’t facts so wondering if there is a way.

Including today, Cain and Pina were both in the starting lineup in 26 games. The Brewers are 14-12 in those 26 games.

Thank you for this. How’d you find that? I’m glad I’m wrong as I like both players a lot. Not sure why it felt that way.

[PinaMadness]

Cards haven't won 12 games in a row since 1982.

 

Glad we can get them back on track.

 

GAG

How did that season end up for them?

[pacopete4]

Cards haven't won 12 games in a row since 1982.

 

Glad we can get them back on track.

 

GAG

 

How’d they finish that season again?

[The stache]

I mean the team seemed like they were in a good mood in the dugout all game, Adames still seemed energetic pretending to catch a ball after it already bounced, Taylor sprinted down a ball after losing the lead.

 

I keep seeing them 'letting their foot off the gas' or 'mentally not there' etc.

 

Is there anything to actually make these statements somewhat legitimate or are we just trying to make a losing streak more than it is.

 

Fifty years of precedence.

 

Sometimes, a bump is simply a bump, and nothing more. Sometimes, a bump is cause for panic.

 

We're somewhere in the middle. This is still a very good team. As of five days ago, Baseball Reference had the Brewers at 17.2% chance to win the World Series. That was better than any team.

 

Great. But a good, possibly great team still has to get to the finish line. If you're winning a marathon, you don't start to half ass it, and jog with the finish line in sight.

 

Nothing in baseball is a given. Nothing. And if other teams see blood in the water, that makes the Brewers vulnerable. The Brewers have choked, time and time again. This team is not the teams of the past. New players, for the most part, new coaches. But none of that matters. The perception is that the Milwaukee Brewers are a loser franchise. And until we do something definitive to break that perception, a five game losing streak like this one we're about to have, at the very end of the season, just reinforces that mindset. And then the most dangerous thing happens. The players on the Brewers now let that enter into the back of their minds.

 

We had a 5-1 lead heading into the 7th inning. We just lost 8-5. Something is very rotten in Denmark. And pointing to how "the division is all but secure" doesn't mitigate that realization.

 

We have nine games left. Six against really tough opponents, and the other three against precisely the kind of team that the Brewers struggle against. We should beat up on inferior teams, but too often, against Chicago after they've sold off their best hitters, against Minnesota...we just flounder.

 

The Milwaukee Brewers need to make a statement against the Mets. And we shouldn't be in this freaking position.

[Eye Black]

Cards haven't won 12 games in a row since 1982.

In April that season.

[IIAY]

Is there a way to know what our record is when Cain and Pina are in the lineup? This isn’t a knock on their performance today. I just feel like they never win when I see it. But feelings aren’t facts so wondering if there is a way.

Including today, Cain and Pina were both in the starting lineup in 26 games. The Brewers are 14-12 in those 26 games.

Thank you for this. How’d you find that? I’m glad I’m wrong as I like both players a lot. Not sure why it felt that way.

There may be an easier way, but I used the game logs from baseball-reference (and Excel) to find which games they both started and the record in those games. Took about 5 minutes but I was looking for something to distract me from the meltdown taking place.

[OldHeidelberg]

Down to 9 games left, we are going to need to win a couple. I am hanging my hat more on the fact that the Cardinals can't really keep this up more than I hope we are going to sweep the Mets. This one really hurts and can't help the teams confidence, can still clinch tomorrow I guess.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

The one change I would make in response to this is to throw Burnes tomorrow to line him up for Thursday's finale against STL on 5 days rest.

 

That lets you throw Burnes and Peralta and Woodruff and Burnes in 4 of the next 6. If you can't win 2 of those, you got bigger problems.

[PinaMadness]

The only silver lining in this personally is I'm going to the game Sunday and that may be the day they clinch. But we shouldn't be in this position now. This should already be over.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

The improbability of the Cardinals coming back to win the division puts that out of the mind, except for that back corner where "full panic mode" exists.

 

That said.... I have to hope that the Cardinals are just playing out of their mind right now and couldn't keep that up for the post-season.

 

Based on the season results so far, the Cardinals and Phillies both look like bad matchups for the Brewers. I'd want absolutely nothing to do with either of them in the playoffs.

 

Just as the Cardinals are on fire right now, the Brewers are playing some bad baseball over the last ten days. Need to rebound in the next ten days to finish the season well.

[titletownking]

The only silver lining in this personally is I'm going to the game Sunday and that may be the day they clinch. But we shouldn't be in this position now. This should already be over.

 

Feels like people have been saying this all week. They need to take 2 from the Mets regardless of what the Cardinals do. Team needs to build some confidence heading into the final week.

[pacopete4]

At least we are guaranteed another Wild Card banner at this point. Cheer up!

[PinaMadness]

The only silver lining in this personally is I'm going to the game Sunday and that may be the day they clinch. But we shouldn't be in this position now. This should already be over.

 

Feels like people have been saying this all week. They need to take 2 from the Mets regardless of what the Cardinals do. Team needs to build some confidence heading into the final week.

I guess what would be sweeter is celebrating at Busch Stadium. But that would require us actually winning a game there against our daddies.

[PinaMadness]

At least we are guaranteed another Wild Card banner at this point. Cheer up!

That would be like when the Detroit Lions hung up their "made the playoffs" banner.

[BruisedCrew]

 

You’re free to believe the Brewers have the division locked up, but it is not literally true that the Brewers would have to lose every game.

 

They have 8 more wins now than the Cardinals. I don’t believe the Brewers will lose all of their remaining 9 games, to think that is frankly stupid.

 

But for the sake of argument even if they did the Cardinals have to go 8-2 over their final ten games just to tie!

 

Teams simply don’t play .000 baseball for extended periods of time nor so they play .800 baseball for a month.

 

If it happens I guess it goes down in baseball history with the shot heard round the world, as the greatest turn around of all time…. And Counsel gets fired.

 

I understand all of the numbers. Maybe you don’t understand the meaning of the word “literally”.

 

It would be absolutely historic for the Brewers to lose the division after leading the Cardinals by 15 games with 22 to go. They have already blown half of it, and now their poor play suggests that they are pressing. They need a win in the worst way to relieve some of that pressure and get back to playing winning baseball. Time is running short.

 

ETA: Due to the reactions to my original comment, I have revised this post to make it clear that I have no inside information about the Brewers emotional state and that my opinions are based solely on their recent play compared to how they played the last few months.

[Eye Black]

Devin Williams has a calf injury from running in the outfield, per Counsell. Said they hope to avoid placing him on the injured list.

[PinaMadness]

Devin Williams has a calf injury from running in the outfield, per Counsell. Said they hope to avoid placing him on the injured list.

Because of course.

[wOOgiE22]

Devin Williams has a calf injury from running in the outfield, per Counsell. Said they hope to avoid placing him on the injured list.

Because of course.

 

That was just my thought. If Devin doesn’t come back full strength, Counsell is going to have to use Hader for more than 1 at some point.

[roadcrew3]

 

They have 8 more wins now than the Cardinals. I don’t believe the Brewers will lose all of their remaining 9 games, to think that is frankly stupid.

 

But for the sake of argument even if they did the Cardinals have to go 8-2 over their final ten games just to tie!

 

Teams simply don’t play .000 baseball for extended periods of time nor so they play .800 baseball for a month.

 

If it happens I guess it goes down in baseball history with the shot heard round the world, as the greatest turn around of all time…. And Counsel gets fired.

 

I understand all of the numbers. Maybe you don’t understand the meaning of the word “literally”.

 

It would be absolutely historic for the Brewers to lose the division after leading the Cardinals by 15 games with 22 to go. They have already blown half of it, and now they are physically and emotionally a mess. They need a win in the worst way to get back on track.

 

Lol what?? Based on what? Have you listened to any interviews of the manager or players lately? The only people who are emotionally unstable right now are in this thread.

[MrTPlush]

I understand all of the numbers. Maybe you don’t understand the meaning of the word “literally”.

They have already blown half of it, and NOW I AM A physical and emotional a mess. They need a win in the worst way FOR ME TO REGAIN MY SANITY.

 

Fixed that for you, quite a few typos on your part.