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LouisEly

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The games against LSU and USC were in 2015 and 2016. We are too many years removed from these wins for them to matter much to me. We have not been good in 4 years. I don't think they are a dismal program but they aren't where they need to be. Chryst just has not delivered recently and I think it is a definite time for a change in leadership and a new approach to how they run things in Wisconsin. We are headed towards mediocrity in a hurry.
"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
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So now his big wins don't count if more than 4 years ago. They went undefeated 3-4 seasons ago and were in the B1G title game up at half time vs OSU in the last real season that was played.

 

I don't know what your expectations are but the program has been at the highest level it's ever been for the last 10ish years, including since he's come back. Generally speaking they're at the same spot they've been for 10ish years, and that spot is higher than it ever was previously. I would say a more accurate way to put it is the Offense isn't up to the expectations or hope we had since he came back, if the O was a semblance of 2010-11 combined with the current D they would be one level better, basically 2nd tier instead of 3rd. Instead they've maintained their same level but have done it in a different way by winning with D.

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No one, including me, has said they don't count. My point is simply that they are not good right now and are trending in the wrong direction. I'm not really sure how that's debatable at this point. They play in the lousy half of the Big10 that helps their record out a bit. They get beat by anyone that has some talent RECENTLY which if that is under your expectations of the program, we are far off from each other. There is no reason the Badgers cannot be winning some of these games and having a better coach would go a long way to making that happen. Being 3-9 against ranked opponents in the last 4 seasons is completely unacceptable and I hope our new AD feels the same way. Either he turns it around quickly here or moves on from Chryst. His offense stinks and has not shown any life for a while now.
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So now his big wins don't count if more than 4 years ago.

 

I mean, at some point they are in the rearview mirror. Kind of why Mike McCarthy was well overdue to be punted.

 

Not saying that is the case here, but eventually you can't be dwelling on the past.

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No one, including me, has said they don't count. My point is simply that they are not good right now and are trending in the wrong direction. I'm not really sure how that's debatable at this point. They play in the lousy half of the Big10 that helps their record out a bit. They get beat by anyone that has some talent RECENTLY which if that is under your expectations of the program, we are far off from each other. There is no reason the Badgers cannot be winning some of these games and having a better coach would go a long way to making that happen. Being 3-9 against ranked opponents in the last 4 seasons is completely unacceptable and I hope our new AD feels the same way. Either he turns it around quickly here or moves on from Chryst. His offense stinks and has not shown any life for a while now.

 

"The games against LSU and USC were in 2015 and 2016. We are too many years removed from these wins for them to matter much to me"--sure seems like that's not counting them to me.

 

To the bold, in the last full season they were in the B1G title game with a lead at half vs OSU. Led for much of Oregon in the Rose Bowl vs a QB that ended up lighting up the NFL 9 months later. No they didn't win either game, but went toe to toe with top level programs, that is being good. Two seasons before that they were undefeated and had the ball to win the game vs OSU to make the playoffs. That is pretty darn good and recent. They beat more often than lose to all other B1G programs outside of OSU (can't blame them) and PSU which makes no sense and should be blamed for, especially blowing the 28-7 title game.

 

Yup, same page on the O as I've said since the topic started. If they got the O humming anything like 2010 they'd be winning these game instead of hanging in them.

 

Again, to your ranked thing. delete OSU, it's simply not fair. They're still like 3-4 or something like that without that, so nothing great but it's ballpark what you'd expect against similar level teams. PSU is essentially the head scratcher or frustrating part in there.

 

And yea, certainly a frustrating start to the year after the crap covid year. Bad sign and as I said if we get pasted by ND and put up a 7 or 8 win year he's gonna get some grief. I'd guess a big offensive coaching staff shake up would be forced on him. But so far it's been one game they should've won if the Qb didn't fumble at the goalline. Just saying to chill and see how the year goes before jumping to conclusions and freaking out.

 

But, most important thing missed in all this talk: They won the Mayo Bowl.

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The Badgers were a quarter away from upsetting a really good OSU team an winning a Big Ten championship in the last non-COVID season. That's not ancient history.

 

It's ok to be disappointed by a loss, but calling for 'changes' is too drastic and unreasonable at this point, IMO. Now, they crap the bed on the whole season, that's a topic that is probably more relevant. But one game in?

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I don't recall if they were calling for Alvarez's head after the 2001 season. Actually, I think that is the time he was debating about going to coach at Miami...

 

Bottom line is they are still a good team, but the expectations are much higher. If the Bucks, for example, lose in the first or second round next year, should Budenholzer be on the hot seat? No.

 

I think Aaron Rodgers said it best a few years ago about the Packers: R E L A X... Relax... they will be fine.

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It's time for a change.

You want the next Bielema or Anderson?

 

Hell, Alvarez didn't have a winning record every year after '93. Had a losing record twice.

 

Playing it safe gets you no where. There are plenty of ways you can go with coaching. Someone outside the Wisconsin mold would be great. Bielema did get us to 3 straight rose bowls though. So there’s that.

"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
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Bielema did get us to 3 straight rose bowls though. So there’s that.

And he lost the first two and backed into the 3rd with 5 losses (only because Ohio State was ineligible, and bailed before it) with game plans and play calling that, IMO, were far worse than the game plan for last Saturday. At least, for the TCU game. The TCU loss was far worse than the loss last Saturday.

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It doesn't seem all that bold to suggest that the strength of these Badgers teams has been the defenses with Aranda and now Leonard. And going one step further to wonder if maybe prioritizing Leonard, making him the HC, and letting him pick an OC with a more modern offense, might unlock the potential for the program to take that next step which everyone is craving. Not only does that logic seem sound, I'll go so far as to state that it's what needs to be done. I honestly believe Chryst has held them back at times.
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