Brewers Acquire RP John Curtiss from Marlins (Latest- Tommy John)

[StearnsFTW]

The more I think about this trade, the more surprised I am it only cost them Payton Henry.

 

To me Curtiss is basically Feyereisen. Which is good.

 

Very similar profile but I think Curtiss is better. Less walky.

[Jopal78]

(8)

Hader

Williams

Curtiss

Boxberger

Suter

Cousins

Norris

Lauer

 

(5)

Woody

Burnes

Peralta

Anderson

Houser

 

They’ll keep Strickland. Gustave and Reyes down now, Sanchez down when Yelich returns. Peterson DFA’d. Will be interesting to see what happens with Shaw and Vogelbach. Both probably get DFA’d too.

[rickh150]

(8)

Hader

Williams

Curtiss

Boxberger

Suter

Cousins

Norris

Lauer

 

(5)

Woody

Burnes

Peralta

Anderson

Houser

 

They’ll keep Strickland. Gustave and Reyes down now, Sanchez down when Yelich returns. Peterson DFA’d. Will be interesting to see what happens with Shaw and Vogelbach. Both probably get DFA’d too.

 

Peterson DFA? I don’t know. Lauer has an option too. I’d hate to potentially lose Petersen completely.

[brewcrewdue80]

Looking like a real solid bullpen guy to depend on. He also played for Tampa last season and pitched 3.1 innings in the WS giving up only a solo HR. So he's been at the highest stage for a small market team vs big market LA. Very solid these past 2 seasons, definitely improves the overall bullpen consistency. And controlled for a few more seasons. You can likely get a Henry type prospect back in future trade all the up to being a rental if he continues this consistency.

[sveumrules]

Olson for Curtiss & Henry for Norris would have made more sense to me given their respective results over the last two years & Curtiss having so much more team control remaining, but whatever, I'll take it.

 

Among 132 relievers with at least 50 IP since 2020 Curtiss ranks 10th in ERA- (53), 30th in FIP- (73) & 25th in xFIP- (79).

 

For comparison, here's how the current Brewers relievers stack up by ERA- | FIP- | xFIP- since 2020...

 

Williams (61 IP) 43 | 55 | 55

Hader (57 IP) 58 | 60 | 68

Curtiss (59 IP) 53 | 73 | 79

Norris (62 IP) 104 | 75 | 76

Suter (65 IP) 74 | 90 | 83

Boxberger (58 IP) 70 | 102 | 101

Strickland (41 IP) 86 | 106 | 113

Cousins (13 IP) 0 | 45 | 71

Sanchez (14 IP) 60 | 103 | 98

 

That is some kind of bullpen.

 

Here's a pretty interesting read on John's developement from FanGraphs back in June...

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/john-curtiss-now-with-control/

[StearnsFTW]

(8)

Hader

Williams

Curtiss

Boxberger

Suter

Cousins

Norris

Lauer

 

(5)

Woody

Burnes

Peralta

Anderson

Houser

 

They’ll keep Strickland. Gustave and Reyes down now, Sanchez down when Yelich returns. Peterson DFA’d. Will be interesting to see what happens with Shaw and Vogelbach. Both probably get DFA’d too.

 

No chance Peterson is DFA

[Jopal78]

(8)

Hader

Williams

Curtiss

Boxberger

Suter

Cousins

Norris

Lauer

 

(5)

Woody

Burnes

Peralta

Anderson

Houser

 

They’ll keep Strickland. Gustave and Reyes down now, Sanchez down when Yelich returns. Peterson DFA’d. Will be interesting to see what happens with Shaw and Vogelbach. Both probably get DFA’d too.

 

No chance Peterson is DFA

 

It’s a tough business. He hasn’t played poorly, but they’re going to keep Lauer up if for no other reason to ease the innings thrown by the other starters.

 

There’s limited playing time for Peterson with Wong, Adames and Escobar playing nearly everyday on the infield plus Tellez and Urias getting regular at bats there too.

 

They could option Taylor to the minors and carry an extra infielder, but he doesn’t deserve to go down either. Like I said, a tough business

[JohnBriggs12]

Peterson had a terrific stretch, but he has an extensive career record of mediocrity and he'd be reduced to a PH role. He also doesn't offer a whole lot defensively. It might be better for him to catch on with one of the teams that were decimated personnel wise by the trades. I personally would rather have Vogelbach in that role and keep him around as viable full time DH in 2022. They have enough games in AL parks down the stretch to keep big Dan sharp too.

 

Besides, I'd hate to see the Brewers give up on Vogelbach and see him breakout for the Cubs.

[Outlander]

No chance Peterson is DFA

Wouldn't say no chance but close. He is a nice depth piece and significantly drop off to Reyes if somebody goes on the IL. Things tend to work themselves out and imagine it will be the case here until they get a couple of more spots in September.

[Austin Tatious]

I think they find a way to keep Vogelbach as a bench bat. The math is tough, though.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think they find a way to keep Vogelbach as a bench bat. The math is tough, though.

 

It sure is going to be nice having Escobar as a RH bat that can play 1B, provided he can play 1B. But it is tough seeing room for both Tellez and Vogelbach on this roster. There's just too much redundancy and limitation there.

[Jopal78]

I think they find a way to keep Vogelbach as a bench bat. The math is tough, though.

 

Nah, he’s similar to BillyMcKinney, and since he was DFA’d he’s been with two other organizations already and likely will be out of LA when they activate Trea Turner and Scherzer.

 

Vogelbach is arbitration eligible and like McKinney has yet to get himself established as an every day major league player. He’ll be available this winter as a free agent even if he is DFA’d.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Bet the cubs claim Vogelbach if we DFA him. Seems like they have a few holes on their roster now. He was originally drafted by them in 2011.

[superfly]

Well that was a swell start.

[DHonks]

I think they find a way to keep Vogelbach as a bench bat. The math is tough, though.

 

Nah, he’s similar to BillyMcKinney, and since he was DFA’d he’s been with two other organizations already and likely will be out of LA when they activate Trea Turner and Scherzer.

 

Vogelbach is arbitration eligible and like McKinney has yet to get himself established as an every day major league player. He’ll be available this winter as a free agent even if he is DFA’d.

 

I’ve always thought they kept Vogey for this year to be our DH next year

[MrTPlush]

I think they find a way to keep Vogelbach as a bench bat. The math is tough, though.

 

Nah, he’s similar to BillyMcKinney, and since he was DFA’d he’s been with two other organizations already and likely will be out of LA when they activate Trea Turner and Scherzer.

 

Vogelbach is arbitration eligible and like McKinney has yet to get himself established as an every day major league player. He’ll be available this winter as a free agent even if he is DFA’d.

 

I’ve always thought they kept Vogey for this year to be our DH next year

 

We are stashing career .735 OPS bats to be the DH IF it happens?

 

Yah, I think probably not.

[JohnBriggs12]

Vogelbach is not similar to McKinney. Since coming to the Brewers his OPS is .779, not .735. He has a 30 HR season in the big leagues. Vogelbach has a career OBP of .330, including .347 as a Brewer. McKinney's career OBP is a woeful .289, .286 in 2021.

 

You have Peterson's who's 31 and who's been up and down since 2014 and has a career .658 OPS vs. Vogelbach who's proven he can be a 30 HR guy. Sure Peterson plays a lot of positions, but none particularly well. No doubt he deserves a lot of credit for his play from late June to mid July, but the addition of Escobar pushes him to the bench.

[PeaveyFury]

Guys, this is a thread about John Curtiss. Please continue any discussion about Vogelbach, etc in a more appropriate thread.

[Austin Tatious]

I think they find a way to keep Vogelbach as a bench bat. The math is tough, though.

 

Nah, he’s similar to BillyMcKinney, and since he was DFA’d he’s been with two other organizations already and likely will be out of LA when they activate Trea Turner and Scherzer.

 

Vogelbach is arbitration eligible and like McKinney has yet to get himself established as an every day major league player. He’ll be available this winter as a free agent even if he is DFA’d.

 

I am not a fan either. I am more of a hit tool guy. These guys that get roasted by the shift are not my cup of tea. I was just speculating that I think they might try to keep him as a bench bat.

 

The Billy McKinney detour was interesting though.

[Austin Tatious]

Somewhat of an inauspicious start by our guy, Curtiss!

[Jopal78]

If he has blown out his elbow and needs TJ surgery, I wonder if the Brewers could make a stink over being sent damaged goods.

 

I think they traded Pat Listach away in the 90s only to have him returned by the Yankees as damaged goods

[PeaveyFury]

Might be a bit of a hard sell since the Brewers have basically thrown him what, six of the ten days since they acquired him…..

[wildcat2237]

Might be a bit of a hard sell since the Brewers have basically thrown him what, six of the ten days since they acquired him…..

 

Yeah. I doubt that flies. I also doubt he needs TJ.

 

However, I do bet he lands on the DL for a while.

 

He stinks, so a nice long rehab stint may be in order.

 

I'm ready to see Topa back.

[JackNicholson1974]

Maybe the Brewers can give Curtiss the Mike Crudale treatment this off season. He’s hot garbage.

[jjfanec]

In his previous 75 innings pitched he had a WHIP just over 1. In under 4 innings pitched with the Brewers he has a WHIP around 2.45. Maybe he isnt any good but this is the definition of a small sample size.