Brewers acquire Daniel Norris from Tigers

[adambr2]

Norris would be a great LOOGY. Unfortunately the 3 batter rule has just kind of made LOOGYs obsolete.

[pacopete4]

It’s just good to see Stearns finally wake up and answer the Scherzer to the Dodgers move.

 

I love the fans that don't allow ANY moves to be made unless they equal another level of move by another team.

 

I should’ve went blue. I was mocking some earlier posts when that went down.

[PDCBalla]

This also is insurance in case the club doesn't feel Ashby or Small could help the bullpen in the closing months.

[NYChez]

Norris would be a great LOOGY. Unfortunately the 3 batter rule has just kind of made LOOGYs obsolete.

He’s going to be a killer against Gallo and Rizzo in the World Series.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

This also is insurance in case the club doesn't feel Ashby or Small could help the bullpen in the closing months.

 

Good point. I think this move somewhat confirms the idea that the club feels they cannot.

[Brewcrewin07]

Well this will make crewin07 happy at least.

 

LOL No...Here's the thing guys..I look at the postseason and the Padres and Dodgers specifically and I ask myself do the Brewers legitimately have enough to compete with them in a 7 game series, without pretty much needing everything to go right. The answer to that is no. Yes, there is ALWAYS luck involved, and the Brewers aren't going to come close to the talent the Dodgers have, but what I would like to see is for them to try to eliminate the need for absolutely every single thing to have to go right. In order to do that they need more pieces. The bigger the better.

 

You aren't going to completely eliminate the "luck" factor, but I do believe you can at least try to minimize it.

[MrTPlush]

Drew Pomeranz vibes from this move...

 

Except Pomeranz sucked as a starter and then improved when he went to the pen.

 

Norris sucked in the bullpen and we are...keeping him in the bullpen.

[pacopete4]

Well this will make crewin07 happy at least.

 

LOL No...Here's the thing guys..I look at the postseason and the Padres and Dodgers specifically and I ask myself do the Brewers legitimately have enough to compete with them in a 7 game series, without pretty much needing everything to go right. The answer to that is no. Yes, there is ALWAYS luck involved, and the Brewers aren't going to come close to the talent the Dodgers have, but what I would like to see is for them to try to eliminate the need for absolutely every single thing to have to go right. In order to do that they need more pieces. The bigger the better.

 

You aren't going to completely eliminate the "luck" factor, but I do believe you can at least try to minimize it.

 

I could somewhat get behind this philosophy of all organizations were equal and had the same playing field. This isn’t the NFL. There is a real difference in how you have to build a team if you are the Brewers versus being an LA/NY team.

[pacopete4]

Drew Pomeranz vibes from this move...

 

Except Pomeranz sucked as a starter and then improved when he went to the pen.

 

Norris sucked in the bullpen and we are...keeping him in the bullpen.

Do we know he won’t be a starter or a piggyback type? I haven’t seen anything said yet.

[narwhalattack]

Reese Olson seems like a steep price to pay for Norris…

[adambr2]

Well this will make crewin07 happy at least.

 

LOL No...Here's the thing guys..I look at the postseason and the Padres and Dodgers specifically and I ask myself do the Brewers legitimately have enough to compete with them in a 7 game series, without pretty much needing everything to go right. The answer to that is no. Yes, there is ALWAYS luck involved, and the Brewers aren't going to come close to the talent the Dodgers have, but what I would like to see is for them to try to eliminate the need for absolutely every single thing to have to go right. In order to do that they need more pieces. The bigger the better.

 

You aren't going to completely eliminate the "luck" factor, but I do believe you can at least try to minimize it.

 

Well they have been a full run better in ERA than any other team in baseball the last month, and they have arguably a better top 3 in their rotation and a better closer than either of those teams, which are widely considered important components of a playoff team. So I don't know what exactly you are seeing that the rest of us are missing in the comparison.

 

By the way, one if not both of the Padres and Dodgers will have to win a do or die single WC game just to make it to the first round.

Edited July 30, 2021 by adambr2

[PeaveyFury]

Drew Pomeranz vibes from this move...

 

Except Pomeranz sucked as a starter and then improved when he went to the pen.

 

Norris sucked in the bullpen and we are...keeping him in the bullpen.

 

Wasn't it you who yesterday chastised me for citing a partial season's stats for Berrios, now you're doing the same with Norris?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Drew Pomeranz vibes from this move...

 

Except Pomeranz sucked as a starter and then improved when he went to the pen.

 

Norris sucked in the bullpen and we are...keeping him in the bullpen.

 

Norris started 29 games in 2019 my man. Went to the pen last season and was much better. Had a rough start to this year, but has been much better of late.

 

I stand by that statement 100%

[MrTPlush]

Reese Olson seems like a steep price to pay for Norris…

 

Fangraphs had him as our #6 guy.

 

 

Like so many others, Olson had a pretty substantial velocity spike during the gap year and has seen his fastball velo band go from the 91-95 range to 93-97. That extra velocity complements an already deep coffer of secondary pitches, which are so good that scouts disagree as to which is the best. His two-plane, 85-87 mph slider and power changeup, which rests in about the same velo range, are both plus pitches while Olson’s upper-70s curveball is merely above-average. I still have some trepidation regarding Olson’s delivery. He’s a stiff-legged, tightly-wound athlete with more mechanical violence than is typical for a starter, but even if those visual biases turn out to be meaningful, we’re talking about a high-leverage and/or multi-inning relief piece here based on how his stuff looks right now. Were the 21-year-old Olson at a Big 10 or ACC school, he’d be in the mid-to-late first round mix.

[PeaveyFury]

Well this will make crewin07 happy at least.

 

LOL No...Here's the thing guys..I look at the postseason and the Padres and Dodgers specifically and I ask myself do the Brewers legitimately have enough to compete with them in a 7 game series, without pretty much needing everything to go right. The answer to that is no. Yes, there is ALWAYS luck involved, and the Brewers aren't going to come close to the talent the Dodgers have, but what I would like to see is for them to try to eliminate the need for absolutely every single thing to have to go right. In order to do that they need more pieces. The bigger the better.

 

You aren't going to completely eliminate the "luck" factor, but I do believe you can at least try to minimize it.

 

Well they have been a full run better in ERA than any other team in baseball the last month, and they have arguably a better top 3 in their rotation and a better closer than either of those teams, which are widely considered important components of a playoff team. So I don't know what exactly you are seeing that the rest of us are missing in the comparison.

 

By the way, one if not both of the Padres and Dodgers will have to win a do or die single WC game just to make it to the first round.

 

Also, the Brewers HAVE already played the Padres seven times and won five of them, so they have already technically won a best of 7.

[Austin Tatious]

I’m not sure I’m comfortable with Norris in high leverage situations, but he can have his place and even be a weapon. If the offense is coming up with a couple of lefty bats of consequence due up, he can be a good option to come in. Either he handles the lefty bats or you force their hand to pull at least one of them out of the game, and there’s a value to that.

 

For the prospect nerds like me, Norris was once considered a solid prospect.

 

Honestly, he’s the type of guy I’d have expected us to get.

Edited July 30, 2021 by Austin Tatious

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Reese Olson seems like a steep price to pay for Norris…

 

Fangraphs had him as our #6 guy.

 

And not even on the Top 30 according to MLB Pipeline. Which shows how all over the map these prospect ranking services are with no minor league seasons last year. I personally have found MLB Pipeline to be more accurate on prospect valuation over the years, though. Fangraphs has been pretty bad, IMO.

[PeaveyFury]

If the offense is coming up with a couple of lefty bats of consequence due up, he can be a good option to come in.

 

This is where I'm at until he proves he can bring his numbers vs. RHB back into line.

[PeaveyFury]

The trade was officially announced by the Brewers.

[MrTPlush]

Reese Olson seems like a steep price to pay for Norris…

 

Fangraphs had him as our #6 guy.

 

And not even on the Top 30 according to MLB Pipeline. Which shows how all over the map these prospect ranking services are with no minor league seasons last year. I personally have found MLB Pipeline to be more accurate on prospect valuation over the years, though. Fangraphs has been pretty bad, IMO.

 

Not doubting that, but it does seem to point to the fact he is an intriguing prospect. Something surprising to give up for a pitcher who has kind of sucked his whole career. Not saying he can't or won't be useful, but it does seem like a steep prospect to give up for Norris.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Not doubting that, but it does seem to point to the fact he is an intriguing prospect. Something surprising to give up for a pitcher who has kind of sucked his whole career. Not saying he can't or won't be useful, but it does seem like a steep prospect to give up for Norris.

 

Relief pitchers are going for way more than typical this deadline, it seems. It's the bats that teams are getting pennies on the dollar for. The fact that the Brewers seemingly gave up more value for Daniel Norris than they did Eduardo Escobar is somewhat crazy to me, but the market is what it is.

[sveumrules]

Drew Pomeranz vibes from this move...

 

Except Pomeranz sucked as a starter and then improved when he went to the pen.

 

Norris sucked in the bullpen and we are...keeping him in the bullpen.

 

Except Norris hasn't really sucked in the bullpen.

 

His ERA- of 104 out of the pen is slightly below average, but his FIP- of 75 & xFIP- of 76 (which hold much more predictive power over a sample of only 62 IP than ERA does) place him within the top 20-35 relievers in MLB over the last two years.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Not doubting that, but it does seem to point to the fact he is an intriguing prospect. Something surprising to give up for a pitcher who has kind of sucked his whole career. Not saying he can't or won't be useful, but it does seem like a steep prospect to give up for Norris.

 

Relief pitchers are going for way more than typical this deadline, it seems. It's the bats that teams are getting pennies on the dollar for. The fact that the Brewers seemingly gave up more value for Daniel Norris than they did Eduardo Escobar is somewhat crazy to me, but the market is what it is.

 

Reliever rentals pretty much always get seemingly better returns in terms of value than hitter rentals at the deadline....to me this year's Rizzo trade to the Yankees is the lone exception, but my gut says the Cubs got actual prospect value from the Yankees because they picked up the rest of Rizzo's salary to keep them from exceeding the luxury tax payroll threshold so they can spend like drunken sailors in free agency this offseason again.

[Lathund]

These guys know how to evaluate pitchers, if this is the guy they want, I'll trust that it's the right move. Underlying numbers look good, I doubt he'll continue to put up a .354 BABIP going forward regardless of defense, and a good defense will make it even less likely. As for Olson, Fangraphs seems like the outlier in rating him highly, and not overly impressive numbers in the minors. Again, the same "good at evaluating pitchers" thing goes here.

[StearnsFTW]

Reese Olson seems like a steep price to pay for Norris…

 

I've seen several people say this.

 

Olson hasn't shown much other than he walks a lot of guys.

 

Am I missing something with him?